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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.21 18:18:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:I will never "git gud". It's against my very nature. I enjoy my shitawfulness game, thank you stop being funny, it demotivates me dust is serious! Echo 1991 wrote:You can't simply dismiss what people say because you don't notice it. It makes you out to be ignorant. I notice it, min assaults in my opinion move too fast for no real downside. 30ehp loss for a moment speed increase of 0.3m/s isn't balanced. Especially when they have more stamina and recharge it faster than a gallente assault. I have yet to experience problems against those "strafers", all I see people complain they cant hit, which is a simply aiming problem. if they are significantly faster then you fitted plates thus have no right to complain . there is nothing to notice, go make side by side test. prove me wrong, the problem is, you cant. if you think that 5% difference in speed is game breaking then you have issues. go nerf minmatar assault and I will collect all the tears produced by the nerf since I dont use the suit
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.01.21 18:21:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:If you think that 5% difference in speed is game breaking then you have issues. Jack, just the strafe speed alone is not game breaking. There is more at work here that just Min strafe speed > everyone else. It's a combination of strafe speed, dual tanking, Minmatar CR being a beast vs. armor metagame, hit detection being a bit... finicky at times, Minmatar assault's high sprint speed, and so on.
Now, the answer is not to nerf the Minmatar assault's strafe speed. I think it probably doesn't need a straight reduction. Instead, CCP reducing lag and improving hit detection is a better answer. It effects the entire game in a positive way, not just punishing the MinAssault for CCP having issues with their servers.
Jack McReady wrote:stop being funny, it demotivates me dust is serious! We are having spirited, passionate debates about how a brown jumpsuit crabwalks faster than all the other jumpsuits... this was never a serious conversation
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.01.21 18:31:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Jack, just the strafe speed alone is not game breaking. There is more at work here that just Min strafe speed > everyone else. It's a combination of strafe speed, dual tanking, Minmatar CR being a beast vs. armor metagame, hit detection being a bit... finicky at times, Minmatar assault's high sprint speed, and so on.
Now, the answer is not to nerf the Minmatar assault's strafe speed. I think it probably doesn't need a straight reduction. Instead, CCP reducing lag and improving hit detection is a better answer. It effects the entire game in a positive way, not just punishing the MinAssault for CCP having issues with their servers.
well that is an entirely different problem. I just see "OP STRAFE, PLZ NERF!" everywhere and it makes me sick. I have even once read someone claiming heavy strafe is broken......
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2015.01.21 18:39:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Your link is wrong Apologies. Was playing around with this fitting to get some DPS numbers for Jack in a previous post. I have returned the fitting to 3x proto extenders. Bright Steel wrote:Also your numbers don't add up GalASS has 3/5 and MinASS is 4/4 So the galASS has an extra ferroscale for 75hp in place of the MinASS extender that is only 66 And the MinASS has lower base hp So please link the right fitting or you case will be dismissed due to falsified evidence With the corrected fitting... Gallente assault eHP: 1002 Minmatar assault eHP: 1037 And the Minimatar assault has a faster walk/strafe/sprint speed. What's in the lows? Please link galASS with all extenders high and ONE rep low with rest ferroscale
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2015.01.21 18:47:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:well that is an entirely different problem. I just see "OP STRAFE, PLZ NERF!" everywhere and it makes me sick. I have even once read someone claiming heavy strafe is broken... Well, Minmatar sentinels do dance like a gorilla playing DDR, but nothing like some of the medium or light dropsuits. Even if they do little strafe dances I still manage to hit them, so I don't view that as a huge problem.
Bright Steel wrote:What's in the lows? Please link galASS with all extenders high and ONE rep low with rest ferroscale It will end up with more eHP than the Minmatar, and not capitalize on the Gallente's armor repair tanking style. It would be same as putting an armor plate on the Minmatar assault.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2015.01.21 18:58:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Jack McReady wrote:well that is an entirely different problem. I just see "OP STRAFE, PLZ NERF!" everywhere and it makes me sick. I have even once read someone claiming heavy strafe is broken... Well, Minmatar sentinels do dance like a gorilla playing DDR, but nothing like some of the medium or light dropsuits. Even if they do little strafe dances I still manage to hit them, so I don't view that as a huge problem. Bright Steel wrote:What's in the lows? Please link galASS with all extenders high and ONE rep low with rest ferroscale It will end up with more eHP than the Minmatar, and not capitalize on the Gallente's armor repair tanking style. It would be same as putting an armor plate on the Minmatar assault. Thank you.
However your comparison is like saying it's not fair that amarr assault can fit more armor tank Because it's their play style.
I just got a covenant calASS and it wiggles pretty good to, because of no plates....
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Cody Sietz
Random Gunz RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.01.21 19:01:00 -
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GalASS http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/11153
MinASS http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/11154
Gallente has 1167 total ehp and 4 reps per sec.
Minmatar has 1120 total ehp and 2 reps per sec.
The Minmatar suit is faster, has more stamina, a faster shield recharge delay and more recharge per second.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
6801
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Posted - 2015.01.21 19:03:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:I just got a covenant calASS and it wiggles pretty good to, because of no plates.... Most of the assaults can wiggle strafe well, except the Amarr, if they don't fit armor plates. The Minmatar assault is just better at it.
And I'll point you to at one of my replies to Jack, the Minmatar's strafe speed is viewed as god-mode because of a host of other variables. The top ones being hit detection and dual tanking prevalence. If we had ways of fixing the lag and hit detection then we probably won't notice the Minmatar assault's crazy I-just-got-star-power-Mario levels of invulnerability.
There is nothing more frustrating that emptying a clip into a MinAssault, seeing his shields flare and flash the entire time, and him taking maybe 5% shield damage.
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Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.01.21 19:25:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Everyone complaining about minmatar assault strafe speed is a scrub. It is a 5% difference in speed compared to cal/gallente which the eye cannot even notice. It's not that fact that they can strafe faster. It's the fact that they can strafe faster AND fit an above average dual tank. Add to that, when people lag the benefit of strafing is made even more pronounceable. PRO Gallente AssaulteHP: 823 Strafe: 4.5m/s PRO Minmatar AssaulteHP: 1037 Strafe: 4.77m/s The Minmatar assault boasts 6% faster strafe speed and roughly 20% more eHP. They pack decent shields and armor, which gives them added protection against weapons designed to wreck a specific tanking style. Up against a ScR? Well it's got armor to spare. How about another CR? Well it's got shields too. That MinFit is bad, but I'll bite.
That MinAssault only has an extra 214 HP and .28m/s strafe speed over the Gallente, which is insignificant. Not to mention that it has horrible regen for both of it's tanks and it's Armor HP isn't that great either. Couple that with the lack of a Grenade or EQ and you have a terrible suit which isn't practical in any situation.
In a real 1v1, those shields would be dropped almost instantly by the Duvolle AR and with a 10s delay it won't be getting them back. Since it only has 490 Armor the Gallente Assault would have the option to either finish it off with a Grenade or he could just keep firing for about 1 more second and it's dead.
The MinAssault would also be firing, but even with it's +15% Armor Dmg it won't compete with the Gallente's 900 DPS. It also won't have the option to run to cover in time as it's too slow and unlike the Gallente it won't be able to use a Grenade to lower the Gallente's eHP to gain the upper hand, should things start going south.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.01.21 19:30:00 -
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Atiim wrote:That MinFit is bad, but I'll bite. It's an eHP fitting.
Atiim wrote:That MinAssault only has an extra 214 HP and .28m/s strafe speed over the Gallente, which is insignificant. Not to mention that it has horrible regen for both of it's tanks and it's Armor HP isn't that great either. Couple that with the lack of a Grenade or EQ and you have a terrible suit which isn't practical in any situation.
In a real 1v1, those shields would be dropped almost instantly by the Duvolle AR and with a 10s delay it won't be getting them back. Since it only has 490 Armor the Gallente Assault would have the option to either finish it off with a Grenade or he could just keep firing for about 1 more second and it's dead.
The MinAssault would also be firing, but even with it's +15% Armor Dmg it won't compete with the Gallente's 900 DPS. It also won't have the option to run to cover in time as it's too slow and unlike the Gallente it won't be able to use a Grenade to lower the Gallente's eHP to gain the upper hand, should things start going south. In a perfect, lagless Dust match with accurate hit detection and both owner's PS3's modding for reduced heat problems you are probably right. Since we don't live in that wonderful world right now...
P.S. - I posted an eHP Gallente assault without a grenade and equipment as well.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2015.01.21 19:31:00 -
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Hit detection is crap and lag/frame rate drops make even crappier, agreed.
But that is totally different subject then saying the 5% straff difference is OP
I have mated with my controller try to do the wiggle dance and most times I move slow as hell but there is a sweet spot were you start almost sprinting hole wiggling. From my understanding m/k do this much better/easier but it can be done by skilled "wigglers"
My opinion is though that those who have his talent go the suit that is best suited for his dance. I've had calASS matrix my CR plenty of times.
Good point but wrong approach. My humble opinion
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2015.01.21 19:37:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:I have mated with my controller try to do the wiggle dance and most times I move slow as hell but there is a sweet spot were you start almost sprinting hole wiggling. From my understanding m/k do this much better/easier but it can be done by skilled "wigglers". I don't know about this. I've seen other dropsuits strafe dance, but the MinAssault does it 500% better. It reminds me of the Caldari scouts a while ago, to be honest. Shield flare, constant movement, "Press X to call for help".
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