Until everybody and their mother started abusing/using it. 500 armor mofos with 3 damage mods ect kb/m strafe tactics ect.

Literally killed my fun. I hate when a suit goes from a "Fun time" to a requirement to be competitive.

Every corner I turn it's either a Min Ass or a Amarr heavy.

I remember a time when I used to be the only guy on the field with a Min Assault ripping people to shreds.

Me no feel special CCP. Why!?!?!?!?!

strafe tactics? caldari/gallente have only 5% lower strafe speed, the eye wont even notice the difference.

anyway I respecced out of min assault, because I didnt feel special anymore when everyone and their mother went into it.


well, your gallente assault fit is bad then.

Nope. Gallente are not suppose to armor tank. They are armor repper tankers.
I see a Gallente Assault with more than 500 armor and I laugh because he is slow and has slow regen on top of it all. I can out runhim, get my health back up and continue killing him.

But now, MinAss's speed with that amount of Armor is too powerful.

Which is why Kinkats are in low slots.

Imagine an Assault suit withh 700+ armor HP running everywhere at near speed of a Scout?
That's how MinAss feel like now. (Exagerated in armor of course)

Nope. Gallente are not suppose to armor tank. They are armor repper tankers.
I see a Gallente Assault with more than 500 armor and I laugh because he is slow and has slow regen on top of it all. I can out runhim, get my health back up and continue killing him.

But now, MinAss's speed with that amount of Armor is too powerful.

I just hate how everyone I see running MinAss are always dual tanking it.

The most versitile suit in the game caoable to fit a wide array of Modules and people choose to tank it up completely.

This playerbase is cancerous.

Don't hate the players, hate the game.
The fact that it is viable at all is the problem

Everyone complaining about minmatar assault strafe speed is a scrub. It is a 5% difference in speed compared to cal/gallente which the eye cannot even notice.

It's not that fact that they can strafe faster. It's the fact that they can strafe faster AND fit an above average dual tank. Add to that, when people lag the benefit of strafing is made even more pronounceable.

PRO Gallente Assault
eHP: 823
Strafe: 4.5m/s

PRO Minmatar Assault
eHP: 1037
Strafe: 4.77m/s

The Minmatar assault boasts 6% faster strafe speed and roughly 20% more eHP. They pack decent shields and armor, which gives them added protection against weapons designed to wreck a specific tanking style. Up against a ScR? Well it's got armor to spare. How about another CR? Well it's got shields too.

It's not that fact that they can strafe faster. It's the fact that they can strafe faster AND fit an above average dual tank. Add to that, when people lag the benefit of strafing is made even more pronounceable.

PRO Gallente Assault
eHP: 823
Strafe: 4.5m/s

PRO Minmatar Assault
eHP: 1037
Strafe: 4.77m/s

The Minmatar assault boasts 6% faster strafe speed and roughly 20% more eHP. They pack decent shields and armor, which gives them added protection against weapons designed to wreck a specific tanking style. Up against a ScR? Well it's got armor to spare. How about another CR? Well it's got shields too.

Wow, ok. How about comparing apples to apples! You got two damage mods and duel armor rep on the gal that' over 200 hp worth you "forgot" to equip! So what was your point again? Within 30 meters that gal would wreck that MinASS

it is actually 5.6% which the eye does not notice. beside that both of your fits arent great. your minmatar fit has low self repair and big shield delays and potentially only ~424,3 base dps if you can actually hit with everything. and your gallente fit does not have 3 complex damage mods, nough said.

your minmatar fit is just pub stomp material and will be crushed by a tripple damage modded gallente with TAC AR any day of the week. I will take almost twice the DPS for only ~20% less hp with better self repair any day.

Where do you get that the eye won't notice a faster movement speed? I can damn sure notice Minmatar assaults moving faster than I can pin a reticle on them. I don't have that problem with Caldari, Amarr, or Gallente dropsuits. It's noticeable and I'm a terrible player on my best day.

Also, you still haven't addressed the issue with lag making the "benefits" of strafing even more pronounced. There is a good reason why a lot of latino corps run Minmatar assault.

In regard to my Minmatar assault fitting: the need for local reps is lessened if you run with a squad that has a logi. I do. If your shields are down just run away. You have incredible sprint speeds and stamina regen rates; use them. I don't have a single SP into the Minimatar assault dropsuit command, and I only have CR op IV, yet I go 2 - 3 K/D consistently in my APEX MinAssault. Reiterating that I am a terribad player and I can go 2+ K/D in this thing

In regard to my Gallente assault fitting: Triple stacking damage mods is lawl-worthy. That third mod is giving tiny DPS increases. You will get a better RoI if you fit a shield extender or precision enhancer.

Your delusional then lmfao I rarely see an AK0 in match but I see atleast 2 people on the enemy team with MK0 constantly... I was just in a game where 5 players on my team were MK0.....and they still did mediocre lol

Where do I get that eye cant notice? I did a next to next comparison ingame there is a noticeable difference, after a few seconds though, a time frame where you already died long ago due to TTK.

Lag is no benefit in a server sided communication layout, your opponent will miss equally if he lags and I never had issues hitting someone fast lag or not.

Even after diminishing returns, the difference between 2 complex mods and 3 is 5% more damage cause it is multiplicative. a TAC AR with 3 complex damage mods does twice the dps compared to the base damage of a CR and the gallente bonus makes it very accurate too. if you think that is lolworthy then there is no hope.

My STD GalAss has 388 Armor
My ADV and Proto GalAss have 453 Armor.

I see MinAss at ADV and Proto level with 500+ armor and still being faster than me....

Sounds interesting. Care to share that comparison that you no doubt captured so that this is a valid point and not just your word against mine?

I believe that you believe that

First light damage mod: 7%
Second: 6.08%
Third: 4%

The third damage mod is granting 4% more damage.

lol I am too poor to get a capture card. why dont you just take a watch and sprint for 3 seconds with both suits yourself

100% => 7%
86.9% => 6,083
57.1% => 3,997

total damage bonus 3 damage mods = 1.07 * 1.06083 * 1.03997 = 1,180457571357 = ~18%
total damage bonus 2 damage mods = 1.07 * 1.06083 = 1,1350881 = ~13,5%
net difference 0,045369471357 = ~4,5%

on a TAC AR this is 33 extra DPS pushing it to above twice the DPS your minmatar fit deals.

I like how he keeps saying that 5% is not noticeable by the human eye, yet I can see MinAss's strafing faster than any other suit. Maybe to your eyes is not noticeable. But to mine aren't.

I like how he keeps saying that 5% is not noticeable by the human eye, yet I can see MinAss's strafing faster than any other suit.

Maybe to your eyes is not noticeable. But to mine aren't.

So you are trying to defend your crutch. Great!

So, why did when Scouts got nerfed almost all of them moved into MinAss?
Why do I perform 5x better when I use my MinAss suit? (I'm an Assault guy so I want to have all Assault suits)

The suit is not OP but more so, gives unfaor advantages over other suits. Hell, the most APEX suit I see in the game are the 'Nomad' and 'Shaman' I can understand the Shaman because reps.

But why the Nomad? Because the MinAse suit is too good.

I hate using the same suit as 60% of the players that play. I liked being the Pink, Rainbow skittle farting Unicorn.

Here is a GalAssault with more extenders. 1002 eHP and 4.5m/s strafe. The Minmatar assault still comes out with more eHP and better strafe speed.

Where do you get that the eye won't notice a faster movement speed? I can damn sure notice Minmatar assaults moving faster than I can pin a reticle on them. I don't have that problem with Caldari, Amarr, or Gallente dropsuits. It's noticeable and I'm a terrible player on my best day.

Also, you still haven't addressed the issue with lag making the "benefits" of strafing even more pronounced. There is a good reason why a lot of latino corps run Minmatar assault.

In regard to my Minmatar assault fitting: the need for local reps is lessened if you run with a squad that has a logi. I do. If your shields are down just run away. You have incredible sprint speeds and stamina regen rates; use them. I don't have a single SP into the Minimatar assault dropsuit command, and I only have CR op IV, yet I go 2 - 3 K/D consistently in my APEX MinAssault. Reiterating that I am a terribad player and I can go 2+ K/D in this thing

In regard to my Gallente assault fitting: Triple stacking damage mods is lawl-worthy. That third mod is giving tiny DPS increases. You will get a better RoI if you fit a shield extender or precision enhancer.

I like how he keeps saying that 5% is not noticeable by the human eye, yet I can see MinAss's strafing faster than any other suit..

I like how he keeps saying that 5% is not noticeable by the human eye, yet I can see MinAss's strafing faster than any other suit.

So you are trying to defend your crutch. Great!

AR DPS with 3 damage mods: 615
AR DPS with 2 damage mods: 591

Difference: 24 more DPS

Would still rather take the added shielding or scan precision.

We've found the answer: Jack has not trained Eyes Operation V.

Your link is wrong

Also your numbers don't add up
GalASS has 3/5 and MinASS is 4/4
So the galASS has an extra ferroscale for 75hp in place of the MinASS extender that is only 66
And the MinASS has lower base hp

So please link the right fitting or you case will be dismissed due to falsified evidence

dude, TACTICAL AR, not the regular why someone would fit the regular AR over the TAC on the gallente assault is beyond my understanding. more dps, more range and the accuracy boost from gallente assault bonus turns it into death impersonate

I found your problem: lack of skill V. consider a respec and git gud.

I will never "git gud". It's against my very nature. I enjoy my shitawfulness game, thank you

You can't simply dismiss what people say because you don't notice it. It makes you out to be ignorant. I notice it, min assaults in my opinion move too fast for no real downside. 30ehp loss for a moment speed increase of 0.3m/s isn't balanced. Especially when they have more stamina and recharge it faster than a gallente assault.