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501st Headstrong 0uter.Heaven 800	Posted - 2015.01.16 11:53:00 - [31] - Quote Why can't you just get Proficiency 5 and headshot people? If others steal your kills, shouldn't you be trying to kill them faster? "There are no rights. The world owes no one a living."-Sumner Official 0uter.Heaven Mascot XD Moody come back SWBF3!!
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries 1208	Posted - 2015.01.16 14:58:00 - [32] - Quote What happens when Harry chases Steve down, but Steve "fell and died". How many WP would be awarded under this system? Similar scenario, what happens when you have an explosive user near death, and they "committed suicide"? Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2388	Posted - 2015.01.16 16:05:00 - [33] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: What happens when Harry chases Steve down, but Steve "fell and died". How many WP would be awarded under this system? Similar scenario, what happens when you have an explosive user near death, and they "committed suicide"? A) you get points for the amount of damage you inflicted B) you get points for the amount of damage you inflicted Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are OP (especially Minmatar speed tanks) ^The reason why CCP is afraid to release them
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 1139	Posted - 2015.01.16 17:28:00 - [34] - Quote I will say I'm torn from the two different outlooks. Perspective from my own team: I often have moments where I'm caught without cover/stuck on terrain/just SOL but I stand my ground and unload as many bullets as I can into the guy. Usually in the case of a heavy, because my teammate is near by and killing him is what gets us the objective and thus the win. I never feel mad in those situations because it never feels like a 'steal' to me. This is probably just my mentality, as I am not a slayer, but when a BB scores a kill on someone I'm engaging, I'm never offended. I'm not a KD ***** and this is a team game. Perspective of the other team engaging me: However, on the reverse side of that, I have felt bad for some redberries. I have been in situations where I know Red A did 96% of the damage and then a Red B sniper snuck in the last shot. The first thing to leave my mouth is usually 'oh, you stole that kill'. In the end, I think I'm for the kill stat still going for the one who landed the bullet. But the wp being proportional to the amount of damage inflicted by the person. I could care less about K/D. But WP directly affects your SP which I think is more important to the maturation of your character progress than a pissing contest on a board. ISK is something I honestly don't know enough about as far as how kills/wp affect your payout, so I can't comment there. Knights of Ender Director Logi 4 Life \| Youtube Vids
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5879	Posted - 2015.01.16 20:05:00 - [35] - Quote 50 WP to Top Damage 50 WP to Final Blow (if not top damage, they would not be cumulative.) 25 WP to all other assists. Final Blow gets the kill stat. 0r... 1 WP for every 2% damage signed when the kill is registered. 10 WP for Killing Blow. Final Blow gets the kill stat. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4251	Posted - 2015.01.16 22:37:00 - [36] - Quote What do folks think about up to 2 people getting a kill count on their stats? The final blow and if someone does more than X% of damage (like over 50 or 75%) or the person that does the most damage? Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4252	Posted - 2015.01.16 22:40:00 - [37] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: What happens when Harry chases Steve down, but Steve "fell and died". How many WP would be awarded under this system? Similar scenario, what happens when you have an explosive user near death, and they "committed suicide"? Not only would Harry still get WP equal to the damage he did but also a kill on his stats. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5884	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:07:00 - [38] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: What do folks think about up to 2 people getting a kill count on their stats? The final blow and if someone does more than X% of damage (like over 50 or 75%) or the person that does the most damage? I am ok with it. Most damage + over 50%, to get a kill credit without being the one to get the killing blow. If no one does over 50% then it is a group effort and only the one with the killing blow should gets the kill credit. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2389	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:18:00 - [39] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Kain Spero wrote: What do folks think about up to 2 people getting a kill count on their stats? The final blow and if someone does more than X% of damage (like over 50 or 75%) or the person that does the most damage? I am ok with it. Most damage + over 50%, to get a kill credit without being the one to get the killing blow. If no one does over 50% then it is a group effort and only the one with the killing blow should gets the kill credit. I still say that we should just do away with Assists and award kills to all involved parties and divide WP by % among all involved parties. It is the way to truly encourage teamwork. Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are OP (especially Minmatar speed tanks) ^The reason why CCP is afraid to release them
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 523	Posted - 2015.01.17 00:27:00 - [40] - Quote cris bleu wrote: I dunno. I think this may be a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. If 3 mercs are going round in a group pumping plasma into the other side, say one has great gun game and typically does 60% damage to each opponent they encounter, each of the other two does 20%. Well, on average, the killing blow is going to be landed 60% by the first guy, 20% by each of the other two. In other words, they're going to end up getting kills in proportion to damage dealt anyway. Also, I agree with posters that suggest the concept of "stealing kills" doesn't feel fight in a mature team game. It's not really a problem. More of a 'quality of life' enhancement for the game. Currently WP gain is weighted heavily towards equipment use. Killers get significantly less WP for killing than support equipment. Support roles (such as suppression, shield stripping, artillery) get even less. Which hurts SP/ISK gain. Hence we see LOTs of equipment whoring (they had to introduce Bandwidth because of this). This would provide a small closing of the WP gap for killers and a large closing of the gap for the non-equipment support folks. If it makes other roles rewarding (and still less rewarding than the equipment support role--don't worry logis) really why not do it? The BF4 point system is really quite superb. Check it out if you haven't done so.

JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx 272	Posted - 2015.01.17 01:05:00 - [41] - Quote It happens. Get over it "In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane" Homer J Simpson
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4254	Posted - 2015.01.17 02:00:00 - [42] - Quote JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: It happens. Get over it Next time actually go through and read the thread. This isn't about getting over anything but improving the game play for everyone. This issue also becomes a lot more important if CCP does move to a keep what you kill system. Imp Smash, the more I read up on BF4's system the more I like it. I just wonder if UE3 can handle point tracking like this. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 525	Posted - 2015.01.17 03:22:00 - [43] - Quote No idea. Dice built an entire system for BF. 'Frostbite' is actually damn good. If Legion, maybe not UR engine but original 'Carbon' Engine that CCP made-- and then maybe? OR PS4 port....hmmmm Carbon Dust 514 on PS4....so sexy...hmmm....take my moneyz......
Twelve Guage Death Firm. 438	Posted - 2015.01.17 16:29:00 - [44] - Quote While I like this ideal I can't help but think that this is going to have a bad effect on area of denial weapons mainly the mass driver. I mean yeah it would be nice to get recognition for all the damage I do on the field but people will find some odd way abuse this. Sandwich maker LVL. 5 You've been like by Twelve Gauge = her grabbing your @$$. My like button is back. C:<
Nirwanda Vaughns 1228	Posted - 2015.01.17 20:25:00 - [45] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Change the kill and assist logic to give the kill and kill WP to the player that causes the most damage to a target. This would apply to infantry, vehicles, and turrets. Player that lands a kill shot gets an assist and a new "final blow" wp reward. EDIT: From some systems that others have pointed out rather than add final blow etc. change the assist system to be based of % damage. If you do over 75% you get a kill as well (or vehicle destruction in the case of a vehicle/turret). pretty sure at somepoint it was fixed liek that. it seems in the past few updates the calculation seems to have been lost in th eupdates Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
ROMULUS H3X research lab 284	Posted - 2015.01.17 21:25:00 - [46] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Change the kill and assist logic to give the kill and kill WP to the player that causes the most damage to a target. This would apply to infantry, vehicles, and turrets. Player that lands a kill shot gets an assist and a new "final blow" wp reward. EDIT: From some systems that others have pointed out rather than add final blow etc. change the assist system to be based of % damage. If you do over 75% you get a kill as well (or vehicle destruction in the case of a vehicle/turret). No such thing as kill stealing in a team based game. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 182	Posted - 2015.01.17 22:31:00 - [47] - Quote if I see a red with 10% life as I come around a turn I'll shoot it every time. If I'm shooting a red and someone kills it I'll look for a new red every time. This feels like a way for multi-squad teams to just milk more WP and I don't like it. "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5897	Posted - 2015.01.17 22:32:00 - [48] - Quote I would be happy just to see Assists listed in the end of match leader boards so people can see your contribution when you are not lucky on getting the final blow. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 527	Posted - 2015.01.17 23:36:00 - [49] - Quote Again -- the only reason (I am guessing here) that Kain mentioned this, or that I've commented on it so much, is simply due to the direct influence on SP/ISK gain that WP has. All of you who said that it doesn't matter who gets the kill as teamwork is more important are 100% right. I don't think this is about score padding. Death in this game costs money. We are dealing with an economic equation. WP are required to earn money to continue playing or SP to advance your character. Some roles really get very little in the way of WP -- other roles get barrels of WP. So the former have a harder time keeping up with expense. Where another roles can keep up far more easily and bank money. Sometimes for significantly less risk (let me stress this -- sometimes.) Adding the above would help close the gap with the low WP gaining roles towards the high WP gaining roles. I don't see how parity is a bad thing. Of course codeability is a whole separate issue. It simpl
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1788	Posted - 2015.01.17 23:47:00 - [50] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Change the kill and assist logic to give the kill and kill WP to the player that causes the most damage to a target. This would apply to infantry, vehicles, and turrets. Player that lands a kill shot gets an assist and a new "final blow" wp reward. EDIT: From some systems that others have pointed out rather than add final blow etc. change the assist system to be based of % damage. If you do over 75% you get a kill as well (or vehicle destruction in the case of a vehicle/turret). This is a terrible idea. This would throw the impromptu team work out the window. How many times has a blue berry attempting to steal your kill saved your life? How many times has a blue berry stealing your kill been the entire reason you were able to take down that heavy in the first place?

Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4261	Posted - 2015.01.18 00:23:00 - [51] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Change the kill and assist logic to give the kill and kill WP to the player that causes the most damage to a target. This would apply to infantry, vehicles, and turrets. Player that lands a kill shot gets an assist and a new "final blow" wp reward. EDIT: From some systems that others have pointed out rather than add final blow etc. change the assist system to be based of % damage. If you do over 75% you get a kill as well (or vehicle destruction in the case of a vehicle/turret). This is a terrible idea. This would throw the impromptu team work out the window. How many times has a blue berry attempting to steal your kill saved your life? How many times has a blue berry stealing your kill been the entire reason you were able to take down that heavy in the first place? Heh, for the people that play with me you'll know that my main concern is that the target is down. The kill stealing term was used to be intentionally inflammatory to start a discussion, so please read the actual mechanics and explain how encouraging teamwork and rewarding players by the work put into a target and rewarding the player that has the initiative to complete the engagement (final blow) is a bad thing. Imp Smash hit it on the head though as these mechanics become more important in a "keep what you kill" environment. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news


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