Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5748
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 21:29:00 -
[1] - Quote
It's long been my opinion that one of the mechanics of PC that has made it so inaccessible is the 24 hour notice.
There are several factors to consider and think about the times when billions of ISK was flowing in PC:
1) A corporation with so much at stake is sure to use only it's best 16 within the confines of roles. 2) If a corporation doesn't feel their best 16 can win, hire ringers.
If a corporation continues to use only it's best where is the opportunity for other players to get involved?
If corporations continually have to rely on ringers even fewer of their players are involved.
Why would a corporation with so much at stake do anything other than use their 16 best or ringers?
Finally, outside of making battles spin up spontaneously within a certain window of time of attack how would you change this dynamic?
Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
|
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
335
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 21:53:00 -
[2] - Quote
The timers killed this game. The effect has been a circle jerk amongst the top 100 killers and has created zero content and actually marginalized the larger community. The dust community would still be large and active if the huge player count corps like STB in its day or PRO had been able to constanly attack and have a chance of participating. If every night STB prime had been lost to the elite corps during NA prime time but they're 1000 man army spent the other 22 hours everyday fighting to get it back everyone would be happy. The elites could say they're the best when they kick down they're sand castles and the drones could feel like they were the best when the swept in huge numbers and took it back. If the elites wanted to hold land then they would have needed to do the work in growing and actually training newer players instead of the jumping to the greener pasture mentality now. In the end the catering to the smallest portion of the community and giving the the largest amount of content has done more to kill this game than any crappy pr. But what do I know?
RED LIGHT
|
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5748
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 21:56:00 -
[3] - Quote
Personally I'd like to see it somewhere between what you see in PS2 and what we have now.
I agree with you Impairs, with the ability for a PRO or similar to zerg with pure numbers it would make it accessible for everyone.
Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
|
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
336
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 22:03:00 -
[4] - Quote
The only two reasons I've ever heard to keep the timers were the isk cost were prohibitive, and " how would the small corp ever hold land"
The isk cost as seen several times can be adjusted with a flip of of button and are not set in stone as for how does the little guy keep soverinty I'd defer to the Eve players to explain but it if you look at the dotlan info it's not the smallest corps that own the most land.
RED LIGHT
|
Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
15056
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 22:08:00 -
[5] - Quote
Honestly I don't see a problem with #2.
The 1st Matari Commando
-HAND
|
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
5377
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 22:12:00 -
[6] - Quote
All removing adequate notice does is force no-lifing. This is supposed to be a game, not a freaking job.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
|
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
336
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 22:13:00 -
[7] - Quote
As for ways to improve it, maybe a scaling timer the more districts you own the lower the span between potential attacks. That way a smaller corp could still participate but would have to scale the number of districts it could hold by they're ability to field teams constantly.
RED LIGHT
|
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
5377
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 22:14:00 -
[8] - Quote
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:As for ways to improve it, maybe a scaling timer the more districts you own the lower the span between potential attacks. That way a smaller corp could still participate but would have to scale the number of districts it could hold by they're ability to field teams constantly.
This was kinda something Pokey was messing with (he has a thread in Features and Ideas). A system like that has a lot of merit.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
|
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5749
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 22:19:00 -
[9] - Quote
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:As for ways to improve it, maybe a scaling timer the more districts you own the lower the span between potential attacks. That way a smaller corp could still participate but would have to scale the number of districts it could hold by they're ability to field teams constantly.
As Soraya said, I also like the idea that Pokey is throwing around.
But I don't know how much it impacts the ability of people to make arrangements to get a dream team set up instead of fighting it themselves.
I just want to see corps have to get down to the B and C teams out of necessity. I want to see a reason for corps to recruit and train and include all those players in their conquests. The current mechanics haven't allowed for that.
Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
|
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
336
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 22:22:00 -
[10] - Quote
Soraya Xel wrote:All removing adequate notice does is force no-lifing. This is supposed to be a game, not a freaking job.
How does that promote no lifting? All that is happening now is that 90% of the player population have is one third of the content not available to them whether they're in a distict owning corp or not. I thought the point of this game was it was going to be different, there are a million FPS games that have no immersion. FW is the start but the playerbase in large should be wanting to move to player own corps once they stop wanting to rp lore. What's the point of being in a corp for most right now? A conveint way to group up a stomp a meaningless pub matches? How is that any different from anyother FPS?
RED LIGHT
|
|
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5749
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 22:24:00 -
[11] - Quote
Soraya Xel wrote:All removing adequate notice does is force no-lifing. This is supposed to be a game, not a freaking job.
I guess it's just a matter of perception.
Needing to have players online during the window you've set for your district to me isn't no-lifing it. Right now an active PC corp has to have players online because they usually have battles daily anyway.
The difference is that the CEO can't make arrangements 24 hours in advance to hire ringers to ensure victory.
You'd be in your PC chat discussing who you were going to hit. You hit a corp and the battle starts in 20 minutes. BUT two corps decide to hit you and those battles start in 30 minutes. You have to deal with that situation NOW. There is simply NO chance a corporation with 30 10.0 KDR players can dominate everything.
Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
|
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
336
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 22:29:00 -
[12] - Quote
My dream of dust right now would be for faction warfare army or dust university to own 50% of the districts anytime I looked at the map, it would also make sense that at any time I looked again the districts they owned a few hours before were already owned by someone else. But like ants rebuilding a hill they just keep coming. That dream alone would keep over 5000 players in the game right now let alone the other 5000 that would just get a kick out of beating them all the time. I think an adjustment to timers and clone cost could create that in 24 hours.
RED LIGHT
|
Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
15056
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 22:34:00 -
[13] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote: I just want to see corps have to get down to the B and C teams out of necessity. I want to see a reason for corps to recruit and train and include all those players in their conquests. The current mechanics haven't allowed for that.
"Allowed" or "Forced"? At any time the leadership of a Corporation is able to field their B or C teams,.
There are plenty of reasons for corps to train their newer members to be PC ready, such as having enough players for multiple A-teams and actually keeping their new members (they didn't join that PC corp just to sit on the sidelines and not be fielded).
Though I fail to see how this change will prevent you from fighting a corps A-teams, as their A-teams are most likely going to be online during the timers.
The 1st Matari Commando
-HAND
|
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
338
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 22:41:00 -
[14] - Quote
Imagine if pc were like a wave pull at the water park full of people to the point of saturation. You could come in there anytime you want with your 5 fat freinds and cannonball into it but in the end its influence is really not noticed amongst the thousand screaming kids. Everyone is having fun.
RED LIGHT
|
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5749
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 22:42:00 -
[15] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote: I just want to see corps have to get down to the B and C teams out of necessity. I want to see a reason for corps to recruit and train and include all those players in their conquests. The current mechanics haven't allowed for that.
"Allowed" or "Forced"? At any time the leadership of a Corporation is able to field their B or C teams,. There are plenty of reasons for corps to train their newer members to be PC ready, such as having enough players for multiple A-teams and actually keeping their new members (they didn't join that PC corp just to sit on the sidelines and not be fielded). Though I fail to see how this change will prevent you from fighting a corps A-teams, as their A-teams are most likely going to be online during the timers.
This stuff sounds great, but unfortunately it just hasn't panned out that way in the 20+ months of implementation. I find it strange that in as many PC corps as you've been in you would come up with such a post.
Right now is the most accessible PC has ever been and it's only because we don't want to kill PC altogether as we wait for updates. The last district rule is pretty remarkable when you look at the history of PC.
If there were still billions at stake there would be fewer than 100 players fighting in 90% of the PC battles regardless of tag.
Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
|
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5749
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 22:44:00 -
[16] - Quote
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:Imagine if pc were like a wave pull at the water park full of people to the point of saturation. You could come in there anytime you want with your 5 fat freinds and cannonball into it but in the end its influence is really not noticed amongs the thousand screaming kids. Everyone is having fun.
There is a raid system people are talking about that sounds great.
However they can come up with a persistent, spontaneous system for team play I don't really care.
Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
|
Oswald Banecroft II
Muteki Armati Virium
29
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 23:02:00 -
[17] - Quote
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:... as for how does the little guy keep soverinty I'd defer to the Eve players to explain but it if you look at the dotlan info it's not the smallest corps that own the most land. They do it by having a 24 hour timer and allies.
|
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
338
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 23:05:00 -
[18] - Quote
The weird lore that guy wrote about the STB prime battles should have meant something. The playerbase in large should have their own stories about it like German and Russian soilders talking about Stalingrad. Instead it's a fan fiction written about a bunch of skirmish matches played by the same people over and over until they wanted to delete dust, and those hollow members who never even saw battle feel disenfranchised. That story has been repeated ad naseum the way it is.
RED LIGHT
|
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
4338
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 23:10:00 -
[19] - Quote
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:The timers killed this game. The effect has been a circle jerk amongst the top 100 killers and has created zero content and actually marginalized the larger community. The dust community would still be large and active if the huge player count corps like STB in its day or PRO had been able to constanly attack and have a chance of participating. If every night STB prime had been lost to the elite corps during NA prime time but they're 1000 man army spent the other 22 hours everyday fighting to get it back everyone would be happy. The elites could say they're the best when they kick down they're sand castles and the drones could feel like they were the best when the swept in huge numbers and took it back. If the elites wanted to hold land then they would have needed to do the work in growing and actually training newer players instead of the jumping to the greener pasture mentality now. In the end the catering to the smallest portion of the community and giving the the largest amount of content has done more to kill this game than any crappy pr. But what do I know? There's a lesson here kiddies, don't talk sh!t about a corp that's better than you.. Even if you outnumber them 100-1.
Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
|
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
340
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 23:15:00 -
[20] - Quote
Oswald Banecroft II wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:... as for how does the little guy keep soverinty I'd defer to the Eve players to explain but it if you look at the dotlan info it's not the smallest corps that own the most land. They do it by having a 24 hour timer and allies.
I can always count on a cute emoji from the evetards. Look that 24 hours allows you to bring as many freinds as you can and as many as you can muster to defend that is not the same as giving you 24 hours to "pick teams" like gym class. If that were the case no one would be playing eve. Where would your stories of throwing thousands of crap ships at enemies be? You missed the point entirely so I'll explain bigger corps participate in null sec for a reason.
RED LIGHT
|
|
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
340
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 23:19:00 -
[21] - Quote
Heimdallr69 wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:The timers killed this game. The effect has been a circle jerk amongst the top 100 killers and has created zero content and actually marginalized the larger community. The dust community would still be large and active if the huge player count corps like STB in its day or PRO had been able to constanly attack and have a chance of participating. If every night STB prime had been lost to the elite corps during NA prime time but they're 1000 man army spent the other 22 hours everyday fighting to get it back everyone would be happy. The elites could say they're the best when they kick down they're sand castles and the drones could feel like they were the best when the swept in huge numbers and took it back. If the elites wanted to hold land then they would have needed to do the work in growing and actually training newer players instead of the jumping to the greener pasture mentality now. In the end the catering to the smallest portion of the community and giving the the largest amount of content has done more to kill this game than any crappy pr. But what do I know? There's a lesson here kiddies, don't talk sh!t about a corp that's better than you.. Even if you outnumber them 100-1.
You've been at the top of that circle jerk for two years now, you tell me is it still fun? Or would you rather see it mean anything to anybody other than the current clan leaderboard it means now?
RED LIGHT
|
Mr Machine Guns
994
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 23:22:00 -
[22] - Quote
i beileve the 24 hour system is better then what you are suggesting, you are saying the current system makes pc inaccessible, what you are suggesting thor would kill pc because you could basically lose all your districts when all of your players on not online and would have to buy clone packs to get back into pc why would people want to pc when they simply could get removed from pc just because their players are sleeping, at work or other stuff like that. once again i believe the 24 hour system is better then what you are suggesting |
Oswald Banecroft II
Muteki Armati Virium
29
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 23:25:00 -
[23] - Quote
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:Oswald Banecroft II wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:... as for how does the little guy keep soverinty I'd defer to the Eve players to explain but it if you look at the dotlan info it's not the smallest corps that own the most land. They do it by having a 24 hour timer and allies. I can always count on a cute emoji from the evetards. Look that 24 hours allows you to bring as many freinds as you can and as many as you can muster to defend that is not the same as giving you 24 hours to "pick teams" like gym class. If that were the case no one would be playing eve. Where would your stories of throwing thousands of crap ships at enemies be? You missed the point entirely so I'll explain bigger corps participate in null sec for a reason.
That isn't the reason for the timer. The timer exists because of real life. You get time to plan, people can arrange to miss work (yes, some people do that) and you don't have to worry about your POS or system going bye bye while your corp was sleeping and unaware. Being able to call on friends in that time is a bonus, but not the purpose.
|
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
340
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 23:26:00 -
[24] - Quote
Mr Machine Guns wrote:i beileve the 24 hour system is better then what you are suggesting, you are saying the current system makes pc inaccessible, what you are suggesting thor would kill pc because you could basically lose all your districts when all of your players on not online and would have to buy clone packs to get back into pc why would people want to pc when they simply could get removed from pc just because their players are sleeping, at work or other stuff like that. once again i believe the 24 hour system is better then what you are suggesting
If clone packs weren't as cost prohibitive what's the big deal about losing it when you go to bed? That's just a matter of changing the price.
RED LIGHT
|
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
4338
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 23:27:00 -
[25] - Quote
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:The timers killed this game. The effect has been a circle jerk amongst the top 100 killers and has created zero content and actually marginalized the larger community. The dust community would still be large and active if the huge player count corps like STB in its day or PRO had been able to constanly attack and have a chance of participating. If every night STB prime had been lost to the elite corps during NA prime time but they're 1000 man army spent the other 22 hours everyday fighting to get it back everyone would be happy. The elites could say they're the best when they kick down they're sand castles and the drones could feel like they were the best when the swept in huge numbers and took it back. If the elites wanted to hold land then they would have needed to do the work in growing and actually training newer players instead of the jumping to the greener pasture mentality now. In the end the catering to the smallest portion of the community and giving the the largest amount of content has done more to kill this game than any crappy pr. But what do I know? There's a lesson here kiddies, don't talk sh!t about a corp that's better than you.. Even if you outnumber them 100-1. You've been at the top of that circle jerk for two years now, you tell me is it still fun? Or would you rather see it mean anything to anybody other than the current clan leaderboard it means now? Bruh, it sucks now but whose fault is that? Don't go around blaming others for lack of incentive, yes at first there was some then it was wtf are we even doing here we get all this ISK and have nothing to buy.
Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
|
Mr Machine Guns
994
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 23:30:00 -
[26] - Quote
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:i beileve the 24 hour system is better then what you are suggesting, you are saying the current system makes pc inaccessible, what you are suggesting thor would kill pc because you could basically lose all your districts when all of your players on not online and would have to buy clone packs to get back into pc why would people want to pc when they simply could get removed from pc just because their players are sleeping, at work or other stuff like that. once again i believe the 24 hour system is better then what you are suggesting If clone packs weren't as cost prohibitive what's the big deal about losing it when you go to bed? That's just a matter of changing the price.
Then thats a different story if clone packs we cheaper but thats not the case since they cost 50 million and there really no true way to make that isk back with passive isk gone which should of been removed but they needed to find another way corps could make isk that wasn't based off district timers but that a totally different topic then what thor is asking.
If clone packs weren't changed why would corps want to stay in pc just to lose their district when they weren't online |
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
340
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 23:31:00 -
[27] - Quote
Heimdallr69 wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:The timers killed this game. The effect has been a circle jerk amongst the top 100 killers and has created zero content and actually marginalized the larger community. The dust community would still be large and active if the huge player count corps like STB in its day or PRO had been able to constanly attack and have a chance of participating. If every night STB prime had been lost to the elite corps during NA prime time but they're 1000 man army spent the other 22 hours everyday fighting to get it back everyone would be happy. The elites could say they're the best when they kick down they're sand castles and the drones could feel like they were the best when the swept in huge numbers and took it back. If the elites wanted to hold land then they would have needed to do the work in growing and actually training newer players instead of the jumping to the greener pasture mentality now. In the end the catering to the smallest portion of the community and giving the the largest amount of content has done more to kill this game than any crappy pr. But what do I know? There's a lesson here kiddies, don't talk sh!t about a corp that's better than you.. Even if you outnumber them 100-1. You've been at the top of that circle jerk for two years now, you tell me is it still fun? Or would you rather see it mean anything to anybody other than the current clan leaderboard it means now? Bruh, it sucks now but whose fault is that? Don't go around blaming others for lack of incentive, yes at first there was some then it was wtf are we even doing here we get all this ISK and have nothing to buy.
Who blaming anyone the conversation is about an eaisly change game mechanic. I'm asking you two years later looking from the top should it be changed?
RED LIGHT
|
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
340
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 23:36:00 -
[28] - Quote
Mr Machine Guns wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:i beileve the 24 hour system is better then what you are suggesting, you are saying the current system makes pc inaccessible, what you are suggesting thor would kill pc because you could basically lose all your districts when all of your players on not online and would have to buy clone packs to get back into pc why would people want to pc when they simply could get removed from pc just because their players are sleeping, at work or other stuff like that. once again i believe the 24 hour system is better then what you are suggesting If clone packs weren't as cost prohibitive what's the big deal about losing it when you go to bed? That's just a matter of changing the price. Then thats a different story if clone packs we cheaper but thats not the case since they cost 50 million and there really no true way to make that isk back with passive isk gone which should of been removed but they needed to find another way corps could make isk that wasn't based off district timers but that a totally different topic then what thor is asking. If clone packs weren't changed why would corps want to stay in pc just to lose their district when they weren't online
You could ask the same question why would anyone want to participate in FW where that happens all the time, the immersion but it's a lot more fun with player created corps than npc lore created corps. That is the sanbox that makes new Eden fun right now it's a big box with only a few kids not very eve like I'd say.
RED LIGHT
|
Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
253
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 23:39:00 -
[29] - Quote
How about we treat it like EVE, if you're online you can lose your ship. If you've 16 members of your Corp online in Dust your districts can be attacked at anytime. With follow on attacks allowed even if the player count drops below 16 |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
4338
|
Posted - 2015.01.14 23:42:00 -
[30] - Quote
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:The timers killed this game. The effect has been a circle jerk amongst the top 100 killers and has created zero content and actually marginalized the larger community. The dust community would still be large and active if the huge player count corps like STB in its day or PRO had been able to constanly attack and have a chance of participating. If every night STB prime had been lost to the elite corps during NA prime time but they're 1000 man army spent the other 22 hours everyday fighting to get it back everyone would be happy. The elites could say they're the best when they kick down they're sand castles and the drones could feel like they were the best when the swept in huge numbers and took it back. If the elites wanted to hold land then they would have needed to do the work in growing and actually training newer players instead of the jumping to the greener pasture mentality now. In the end the catering to the smallest portion of the community and giving the the largest amount of content has done more to kill this game than any crappy pr. But what do I know? There's a lesson here kiddies, don't talk sh!t about a corp that's better than you.. Even if you outnumber them 100-1. You've been at the top of that circle jerk for two years now, you tell me is it still fun? Or would you rather see it mean anything to anybody other than the current clan leaderboard it means now? Bruh, it sucks now but whose fault is that? Don't go around blaming others for lack of incentive, yes at first there was some then it was wtf are we even doing here we get all this ISK and have nothing to buy. Who blaming anyone the conversation is about an eaisly change game mechanic. I'm asking you two years later looking from the top should it be changed? Yes, there needs to be a way outside of pc for corps to make bank to help them get into pc, and then I believe pc needs a lot more incentive.. I'm fine with alliances, I think timers should be spread out and a corp shouldn't be limited on districts because of corp size, if we can defend our districts using ringers if needed then that should be no different than a corp with 200+ members. I think districts should allow corps to costumize their dropsuit colors/ looks etc... and vehicles, this is just a start.
Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |