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IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
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Posted - 2015.01.14 21:53:00 -
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The timers killed this game. The effect has been a circle jerk amongst the top 100 killers and has created zero content and actually marginalized the larger community. The dust community would still be large and active if the huge player count corps like STB in its day or PRO had been able to constanly attack and have a chance of participating. If every night STB prime had been lost to the elite corps during NA prime time but they're 1000 man army spent the other 22 hours everyday fighting to get it back everyone would be happy. The elites could say they're the best when they kick down they're sand castles and the drones could feel like they were the best when the swept in huge numbers and took it back. If the elites wanted to hold land then they would have needed to do the work in growing and actually training newer players instead of the jumping to the greener pasture mentality now. In the end the catering to the smallest portion of the community and giving the the largest amount of content has done more to kill this game than any crappy pr. But what do I know?
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Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.14 22:03:00 -
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The only two reasons I've ever heard to keep the timers were the isk cost were prohibitive, and " how would the small corp ever hold land"
The isk cost as seen several times can be adjusted with a flip of of button and are not set in stone as for how does the little guy keep soverinty I'd defer to the Eve players to explain but it if you look at the dotlan info it's not the smallest corps that own the most land.
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Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.14 22:13:00 -
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As for ways to improve it, maybe a scaling timer the more districts you own the lower the span between potential attacks. That way a smaller corp could still participate but would have to scale the number of districts it could hold by they're ability to field teams constantly.
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Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.14 22:22:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:All removing adequate notice does is force no-lifing. This is supposed to be a game, not a freaking job.
How does that promote no lifting? All that is happening now is that 90% of the player population have is one third of the content not available to them whether they're in a distict owning corp or not. I thought the point of this game was it was going to be different, there are a million FPS games that have no immersion. FW is the start but the playerbase in large should be wanting to move to player own corps once they stop wanting to rp lore. What's the point of being in a corp for most right now? A conveint way to group up a stomp a meaningless pub matches? How is that any different from anyother FPS?
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Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
336
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Posted - 2015.01.14 22:29:00 -
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My dream of dust right now would be for faction warfare army or dust university to own 50% of the districts anytime I looked at the map, it would also make sense that at any time I looked again the districts they owned a few hours before were already owned by someone else. But like ants rebuilding a hill they just keep coming. That dream alone would keep over 5000 players in the game right now let alone the other 5000 that would just get a kick out of beating them all the time. I think an adjustment to timers and clone cost could create that in 24 hours.
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Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.14 22:41:00 -
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Imagine if pc were like a wave pull at the water park full of people to the point of saturation. You could come in there anytime you want with your 5 fat freinds and cannonball into it but in the end its influence is really not noticed amongst the thousand screaming kids. Everyone is having fun.
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Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
338
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Posted - 2015.01.14 23:05:00 -
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The weird lore that guy wrote about the STB prime battles should have meant something. The playerbase in large should have their own stories about it like German and Russian soilders talking about Stalingrad. Instead it's a fan fiction written about a bunch of skirmish matches played by the same people over and over until they wanted to delete dust, and those hollow members who never even saw battle feel disenfranchised. That story has been repeated ad naseum the way it is.
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Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
340
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Posted - 2015.01.14 23:15:00 -
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Oswald Banecroft II wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:... as for how does the little guy keep soverinty I'd defer to the Eve players to explain but it if you look at the dotlan info it's not the smallest corps that own the most land. They do it by having a 24 hour timer and allies. 
I can always count on a cute emoji from the evetards. Look that 24 hours allows you to bring as many freinds as you can and as many as you can muster to defend that is not the same as giving you 24 hours to "pick teams" like gym class. If that were the case no one would be playing eve. Where would your stories of throwing thousands of crap ships at enemies be? You missed the point entirely so I'll explain bigger corps participate in null sec for a reason.
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Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
340
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Posted - 2015.01.14 23:19:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:The timers killed this game. The effect has been a circle jerk amongst the top 100 killers and has created zero content and actually marginalized the larger community. The dust community would still be large and active if the huge player count corps like STB in its day or PRO had been able to constanly attack and have a chance of participating. If every night STB prime had been lost to the elite corps during NA prime time but they're 1000 man army spent the other 22 hours everyday fighting to get it back everyone would be happy. The elites could say they're the best when they kick down they're sand castles and the drones could feel like they were the best when the swept in huge numbers and took it back. If the elites wanted to hold land then they would have needed to do the work in growing and actually training newer players instead of the jumping to the greener pasture mentality now. In the end the catering to the smallest portion of the community and giving the the largest amount of content has done more to kill this game than any crappy pr. But what do I know? There's a lesson here kiddies, don't talk sh!t about a corp that's better than you.. Even if you outnumber them 100-1.
You've been at the top of that circle jerk for two years now, you tell me is it still fun? Or would you rather see it mean anything to anybody other than the current clan leaderboard it means now?
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Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
340
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Posted - 2015.01.14 23:26:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:i beileve the 24 hour system is better then what you are suggesting, you are saying the current system makes pc inaccessible, what you are suggesting thor would kill pc because you could basically lose all your districts when all of your players on not online and would have to buy clone packs to get back into pc why would people want to pc when they simply could get removed from pc just because their players are sleeping, at work or other stuff like that. once again i believe the 24 hour system is better then what you are suggesting
If clone packs weren't as cost prohibitive what's the big deal about losing it when you go to bed? That's just a matter of changing the price.
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Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.14 23:31:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:The timers killed this game. The effect has been a circle jerk amongst the top 100 killers and has created zero content and actually marginalized the larger community. The dust community would still be large and active if the huge player count corps like STB in its day or PRO had been able to constanly attack and have a chance of participating. If every night STB prime had been lost to the elite corps during NA prime time but they're 1000 man army spent the other 22 hours everyday fighting to get it back everyone would be happy. The elites could say they're the best when they kick down they're sand castles and the drones could feel like they were the best when the swept in huge numbers and took it back. If the elites wanted to hold land then they would have needed to do the work in growing and actually training newer players instead of the jumping to the greener pasture mentality now. In the end the catering to the smallest portion of the community and giving the the largest amount of content has done more to kill this game than any crappy pr. But what do I know? There's a lesson here kiddies, don't talk sh!t about a corp that's better than you.. Even if you outnumber them 100-1. You've been at the top of that circle jerk for two years now, you tell me is it still fun? Or would you rather see it mean anything to anybody other than the current clan leaderboard it means now? Bruh, it sucks now but whose fault is that? Don't go around blaming others for lack of incentive, yes at first there was some then it was wtf are we even doing here we get all this ISK and have nothing to buy.
Who blaming anyone the conversation is about an eaisly change game mechanic. I'm asking you two years later looking from the top should it be changed?
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Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
340
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Posted - 2015.01.14 23:36:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:i beileve the 24 hour system is better then what you are suggesting, you are saying the current system makes pc inaccessible, what you are suggesting thor would kill pc because you could basically lose all your districts when all of your players on not online and would have to buy clone packs to get back into pc why would people want to pc when they simply could get removed from pc just because their players are sleeping, at work or other stuff like that. once again i believe the 24 hour system is better then what you are suggesting If clone packs weren't as cost prohibitive what's the big deal about losing it when you go to bed? That's just a matter of changing the price. Then thats a different story if clone packs we cheaper but thats not the case since they cost 50 million and there really no true way to make that isk back with passive isk gone which should of been removed but they needed to find another way corps could make isk that wasn't based off district timers but that a totally different topic then what thor is asking. If clone packs weren't changed why would corps want to stay in pc just to lose their district when they weren't online
You could ask the same question why would anyone want to participate in FW where that happens all the time, the immersion but it's a lot more fun with player created corps than npc lore created corps. That is the sanbox that makes new Eden fun right now it's a big box with only a few kids not very eve like I'd say.
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Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
340
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Posted - 2015.01.14 23:46:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:How about we treat it like EVE, if you're online you can lose your ship. If you've 16 members of your Corp online in Dust your districts can be attacked at anytime. With follow on attacks allowed even if the player count drops below 16
32 people could still own most of it and just not log on till the same 24 hours how is that different from now? Why is everyone afraid of losing an imaginary land when they sleep ? If you are human and want to sleep guess what you need to have freinds how is that a bad thing I'm sorry but somewhere you have a freind in law enforcement or the military that you don't know that still keeps the world intact when you go to be everyday. It's no different you build communities and ask the to engage for mutual reasons.
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