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shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3681	Posted - 2015.01.13 14:10:00 - [1] - Quote It takes way to much to recall a vehicle, while it takes very short to switch suit at the depot. Sometime vehicle players need to switch to another vehicle for different reasons and since AV is pretty nasty we should be treated as infantry. I understand it was problem before, but now it takes a silly amount of time. Solutions: 1) Make hacking skill affect vehicle recall 2) Allow fast recall in safe zones (aka redline) This crusade against vehicles have to stop, make the game enjoyable for them too, otherwise delete them from the game. Situational awareness also known as passive scan. Minmatar omni-merc
Clone D 1320	Posted - 2015.01.13 14:26:00 - [2] - Quote Change Game: Make the hack time short, even if the vehicle takes a long time to recall. I don't care if it takes a long time to recall my vehicle. I just don't want to stand there hacking for 30 seconds. Dumb. What you can do if you want to switch vehicles faster: Call in the new vehicle before you recall your old one.
Zindorak Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 1629	Posted - 2015.01.13 14:29:00 - [3] - Quote I don't see why this was implemented in the first place. Seems stupid Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15027	Posted - 2015.01.13 14:30:00 - [4] - Quote The comparison to Supply Depots and Infantry is skewed, as the vehicle can be recalled in any location that the vehicle has access to, while there are only a few pre-defined locations where Infantry may swap fittings. Allowing the Systems Hacking Skill to effect recall speed would undermine the purpose of the change, which was to prevent Pilots who were about to die from hopping out and re-calling their vehicle in ~3s. Let's make changes which don't undo adjustments made to improve the game. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 430	Posted - 2015.01.13 14:38:00 - [5] - Quote 1. I can officer stomp in pubs and as soon as i think i will lose it i can swap at a depot to a noob suit 2. I can try an basic HAV stomp with my turret which cannot hit the broadside of a barn let alone a sentinal and if it gets too hot i can try and run away and recall which takes 5mins even tho i have hacking skill to 5 and i should be able to operate my own system even faster than an enemies but thats all including i dont get chased by 400m range SL back to my redline
Atiim Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 15027	Posted - 2015.01.13 14:43:00 - [6] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. I can officer stomp in pubs and as soon as i think i will lose it i can swap at a depot to a noob suit 2. I can try an basic HAV stomp with my turret which cannot hit the broadside of a barn let alone a sentinal and if it gets too hot i can try and run away and recall which takes 5mins even tho i have hacking skill to 5 and i should be able to operate my own system even faster than an enemies but thats all including i dont get chased by 400m range SL back to my redline 1. Means nothing, that fitting can only be swamped at a pre-defined location whole vehicles can be recalled anywhere. 2. Systems Hacking improves your ability to hack into systems, nowhere does the skill claim that it allows you to operate your own systems faster. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 430	Posted - 2015.01.13 15:16:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. I can officer stomp in pubs and as soon as i think i will lose it i can swap at a depot to a noob suit 2. I can try an basic HAV stomp with my turret which cannot hit the broadside of a barn let alone a sentinal and if it gets too hot i can try and run away and recall which takes 5mins even tho i have hacking skill to 5 and i should be able to operate my own system even faster than an enemies but thats all including i dont get chased by 400m range SL back to my redline 1. Means nothing, that fitting can only be swamped at a pre-defined location whole vehicles can be recalled anywhere. 2. Systems Hacking improves your ability to hack into systems, nowhere does the skill claim that it allows you to operate your own systems faster. 1. Vehicles being recalled anywhere but the redline is risky, sure you can do it in front of the enemies redline but you are not going to do it and due to the length it takes to recall you might aswell do it back in the redline anyways 2. I can still swap my suit at a depot and even if they are in certain positions they are always near enough to an objective/fighting but i can swap in 3seconds, lets make it so that when swapping it takes 30seconds so you can be shot at 3. If i can hack an enemies system faster than my own then something is wrong, hacking skill is hacking and should apply to both sides
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4360	Posted - 2015.01.13 15:25:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: The comparison to Supply Depots and Infantry is skewed, as the vehicle can be recalled in any location that the vehicle has access to, while there are only a few pre-defined locations where Infantry may swap fittings. Allowing the Systems Hacking Skill to effect recall speed would undermine the purpose of the change, which was to prevent Pilots who were about to die from hopping out and re-calling their vehicle in ~3s. Let's make changes which don't undo adjustments made to improve the game. Indeed. It's what, 15 seconds for an HAV which is the longest recall time? If infantry were always within 15 seconds of a supply depot, then t his would make sense, but typically they have to spend more time to swap out than a vehicle does. So the 15 second recall is really not that bad at all. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6374	Posted - 2015.01.13 15:28:00 - [9] - Quote Faster recall only serves to create an "easy out" when a pilot is eating too much fire and wants to recall the vehicle rather than risk losing it. Personally right along with the idea that infantry shouldn't be able to swap to a fresh undamaged suit at a depot a pilot shouldn't be able to recall a borderline wrecked vehicle and call in a fresh, undamaged one. Or we could leave the long recall timer and the risk. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2015.01.13 17:46:00 - [10] - Quote Okay, make it shorter but only if at full health and it's not under attack (has received no damage for X seconds).

Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 254	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:34:00 - [11] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Faster recall only serves to create an "easy out" when a pilot is eating too much fire and wants to recall the vehicle rather than risk losing it. Personally right along with the idea that infantry shouldn't be able to swap to a fresh undamaged suit at a depot a pilot shouldn't be able to recall a borderline wrecked vehicle and call in a fresh, undamaged one. Or we could leave the long recall timer and the risk. i thought inf. suits come in with % of damage from previous suit Sir Dukey- If one person is smart he should be able to keep vehicle at bay but not destroy it unless its a stupid driver
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6386	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:38:00 - [12] - Quote pumping up wrote: Okay, make it shorter but only if at full health and it's not under attack (has received no damage for X seconds). that would be acceptable. But vehicle drivers traditionally wait until I have dumped 4 forge gun rounds into their toy before recalling. Then they drop a fresh HAV to continue harvesting WP. HAV pilots had this down to a SCIENCE EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16551	Posted - 2015.01.13 18:59:00 - [13] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Atiim wrote: The comparison to Supply Depots and Infantry is skewed, as the vehicle can be recalled in any location that the vehicle has access to, while there are only a few pre-defined locations where Infantry may swap fittings. Allowing the Systems Hacking Skill to effect recall speed would undermine the purpose of the change, which was to prevent Pilots who were about to die from hopping out and re-calling their vehicle in ~3s. Let's make changes which don't undo adjustments made to improve the game. Indeed. It's what, 15 seconds for an HAV which is the longest recall time? If infantry were always within 15 seconds of a supply depot, then t his would make sense, but typically they have to spend more time to swap out than a vehicle does. So the 15 second recall is really not that bad at all. It's not even that bad when you are switching vehicles either. You just call down your vehicle and recall the other. By the time the latter is done you have your new vehicle. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5349	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:01:00 - [14] - Quote Vehicle recall time really should be replaced by having to wait for an RDV in the queue to come retrieve it, and haul it off into the air. In the meantime, the current setting is decent. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
DarthJT5 Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 185	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:04:00 - [15] - Quote I really don't care about recall times, except for the fact that there are STILL some maps where there are no supply depots for tanks to access. Fix that please, so I can go get ammo from a depot instead of having to recall and call in the same tank.... Dedicated Shield Tanking vet since Open Beta. Up and coming Python pilot. The awnser is always XT missiles....
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2793	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:42:00 - [16] - Quote Clone D wrote: Change Game: Make the hack time short, even if the vehicle takes a long time to recall. I don't care if it takes a long time to recall my vehicle. I just don't want to stand there hacking for 30 seconds. Dumb. What you can do if you want to switch vehicles faster: Call in the new vehicle before you recall your old one. This is an excellent idea. Let the "hack" last like 5sec but the recall animation will last an extra 10-15 sec. The vehicle can still be destroyed (even now it can be, just the time is shorter), but it works out better for the recaller since they don't have to worry about someone stealing the vehicle they (should have) called in before recalling. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2793	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:43:00 - [17] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Vehicle recall time really should be replaced by having to wait for an RDV in the queue to come retrieve it, and haul it off into the air. In the meantime, the current setting is decent. NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RDVs are terrible as is, I don't need them wrecking any more of my vehicles. EDIT: in fact, I want to do away with RDVs all together and implement orbital deployment (StarHawk style). Have vehicles raining from the sky would be preferable (even if they can still kill my dropships) and cooler looking, imo. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Clone D 1332	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:45:00 - [18] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Vehicle recall time really should be replaced by having to wait for an RDV in the queue to come retrieve it, and haul it off into the air. In the meantime, the current setting is decent. Soraya, I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. A long recall time is fine, but why do I have to stand there and hack it for 30 seconds? Revert hack time to what it used to be. If the vehicle remains there for an additional 30 seconds, that is fine if people want it to be vulnerable to attack. I just don't think it's reasonable to have to hack it for so long.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16551	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:53:00 - [19] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Vehicle recall time really should be replaced by having to wait for an RDV in the queue to come retrieve it, and haul it off into the air. In the meantime, the current setting is decent. NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RDVs are terrible as is, I don't need them wrecking any more of my vehicles. EDIT: in fact, I want to do away with RDVs all together and implement orbital deployment (StarHawk style). Have vehicles raining from the sky would be preferable (even if they can still kill my dropships) and cooler looking, imo. Suggested that actually before. There is no reason that if a Dropsuit can have an inertia dampener why a vehicle cannot have something similar. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5357	Posted - 2015.01.13 19:59:00 - [20] - Quote A recall should infact entail an RDV retrieving your vehicle. It just makes sense. And then yes, it could be a shorter recall timer you have to hold, before the vehicle is just waiting for the RDV, but you can go on with your day. Clone D, it's not "hacking" your vehicle. All that spinny thing is is a timer. It could mean you're preparing the vehicle to be retrieved or something. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 437	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:05:00 - [21] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: A recall should infact entail an RDV retrieving your vehicle. It just makes sense. And then yes, it could be a shorter recall timer you have to hold, before the vehicle is just waiting for the RDV, but you can go on with your day. Clone D, it's not "hacking" your vehicle. All that spinny thing is is a timer. It could mean you're preparing the vehicle to be retrieved or something. 1. No 2. CCP would break it so that the SL can still lock on and that it can still take damage and die on the way back 3. Are infantry going to have to be transported back to the warbarge so you can swap suits then?
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3682	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:08:00 - [22] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: A recall should infact entail an RDV retrieving your vehicle. It just makes sense. And then yes, it could be a shorter recall timer you have to hold, before the vehicle is just waiting for the RDV, but you can go on with your day. Clone D, it's not "hacking" your vehicle. All that spinny thing is is a timer. It could mean you're preparing the vehicle to be retrieved or something. I wouldn't mind if a RDV could come and pick up my vehicle, as long as: Once requested recall i can immediatly call another vehicle (immediatly -1 on vehicle count) Once requested recall my vehicle is locked (no GTA) Another thing is RDV should not be counted in vehicle count and RDV should not be considered as yours anymore (i've fluxed mine once and it took shield damage). Situational awareness also known as passive scan. Minmatar omni-merc
Rain Da Pain Dead Man's Game RUST415 5	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:20:00 - [23] - Quote 2x speed recalling in the red line min 50 m between you and closest red
Clone D 1333	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:32:00 - [24] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: A recall should infact entail an RDV retrieving your vehicle. It just makes sense. And then yes, it could be a shorter recall timer you have to hold, before the vehicle is just waiting for the RDV, but you can go on with your day. Clone D, it's not "hacking" your vehicle. All that spinny thing is is a timer. It could mean you're preparing the vehicle to be retrieved or something. Call it hacking, call it a recall timer. You get what I'm saying. I don't mind if my vehicle is vulnerable for a long period. But standing there facing a vehicle for 30 seconds is boring and removes fun.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4373	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:43:00 - [25] - Quote Clone D wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: A recall should infact entail an RDV retrieving your vehicle. It just makes sense. And then yes, it could be a shorter recall timer you have to hold, before the vehicle is just waiting for the RDV, but you can go on with your day. Clone D, it's not "hacking" your vehicle. All that spinny thing is is a timer. It could mean you're preparing the vehicle to be retrieved or something. Call it hacking, call it a recall timer. You get what I'm saying. I don't mind if my vehicle is vulnerable for a long period. But standing there facing a vehicle for 30 seconds is boring and removes fun. 30 seconds is not even close to the actual recall timer "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2796	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:45:00 - [26] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Clone D wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: A recall should infact entail an RDV retrieving your vehicle. It just makes sense. And then yes, it could be a shorter recall timer you have to hold, before the vehicle is just waiting for the RDV, but you can go on with your day. Clone D, it's not "hacking" your vehicle. All that spinny thing is is a timer. It could mean you're preparing the vehicle to be retrieved or something. Call it hacking, call it a recall timer. You get what I'm saying. I don't mind if my vehicle is vulnerable for a long period. But standing there facing a vehicle for 30 seconds is boring and removes fun. 30 seconds is not even close to the actual recall timer Just for everyone's information: It's 15sec to hack. http://www.stuff514.com/sde/type/351278 Note: There is a small window (2-3sec) after the hack is completed where the vehicle is "dissolving" and is destroyable. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Rain Da Pain Dead Man's Game RUST415 5	Posted - 2015.01.13 20:50:00 - [27] - Quote Clone D wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: A recall should infact entail an RDV retrieving your vehicle. It just makes sense. And then yes, it could be a shorter recall timer you have to hold, before the vehicle is just waiting for the RDV, but you can go on with your day. Clone D, it's not "hacking" your vehicle. All that spinny thing is is a timer. It could mean you're preparing the vehicle to be retrieved or something. Call it hacking, call it a recall timer. You get what I'm saying. I don't mind if my vehicle is vulnerable for a long period. But standing there facing a vehicle for 30 seconds is boring and removes fun. Maybe ccp should add pilot suits that have a 75% reduction the recalling modules, then make I have a massive of and cpu( on the module)
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4375	Posted - 2015.01.13 21:30:00 - [28] - Quote Rain Da Pain wrote: Clone D wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: A recall should infact entail an RDV retrieving your vehicle. It just makes sense. And then yes, it could be a shorter recall timer you have to hold, before the vehicle is just waiting for the RDV, but you can go on with your day. Clone D, it's not "hacking" your vehicle. All that spinny thing is is a timer. It could mean you're preparing the vehicle to be retrieved or something. Call it hacking, call it a recall timer. You get what I'm saying. I don't mind if my vehicle is vulnerable for a long period. But standing there facing a vehicle for 30 seconds is boring and removes fun. Maybe ccp should add pilot suits that have a 75% reduction the recalling modules, then make I have a massive of and cpu( on the module) If someone is wearing a pilot suit, it should be so obscenely weak outside of a vehicle that they would never want to get out and recall. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5357	Posted - 2015.01.13 21:32:00 - [29] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 2. CCP would break it so that the SL can still lock on and that it can still take damage and die on the way back Um... yes, that would be part of it. Obviously. That's not "broken". One of the biggest problems with the vehicle recall system has been it's ability to let people swap out damaged vehicles for no cost and limited risk. Rather than a big delay timer than we have now, a sky recall, that remains vulnerable until it's far enough away would fix that issue. Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3. Are infantry going to have to be transported back to the warbarge so you can swap suits then? Infantry already can't swap suits wherever they want, there's limited choices on where to do so, and some maps there are practically no places to do so at all. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16553	Posted - 2015.01.13 22:02:00 - [30] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Infantry already can't swap suits wherever they want, there's limited choices on where to do so, and some maps there are practically no places to do so at all. I can actually agree with this. Infantry are subject to a specific kind of mortality...... they'll likely be changing suits and roles far more frequently than a tanker or pilot either through death or necessity by suicide/supply depot. No use comparing the two since they both are fundamentally different. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.

shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3683	Posted - 2015.01.13 22:41:00 - [31] - Quote I would like to have a serious system, logical or lore based, with RDV or vehicle decomposed in nanites, but you must understand that the game must flow to be enjoyable, vehicle recall and switch currently is a wasted time. Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. We always asked for vehicle locks, to not let blueberries steal our vehicles > we never had them. Fall through the map bug, since early uprising (probably chromo too) > never fixed Collsion damage from friendly vehicles (try to ram a blue DS with a LAV) > never taken in account Content has been cut, vehicle slot layout reduced and oversimplified. Aggressive AV community pretending to face a tank alone and destroy it 100% of the time. My suit has never been stolen by a blueberry, i never fell through the map when i was checking the map while infantry, a teammate touching me has never killed me. What we ask is to enjoy the game, since the vehicle have been introduced in the game, our demand has always been to have fun with them, as much as i have fun in infantry at least. Situational awareness also known as passive scan. Minmatar omni-merc
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 299	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:10:00 - [32] - Quote shaman oga wrote: It takes way to much to recall a vehicle, while it takes very short to switch suit at the depot. Sometime vehicle players need to switch to another vehicle for different reasons and since AV is pretty nasty we should be treated as infantry. I understand it was problem before, but now it takes a silly amount of time. Solutions: 1) Make hacking skill affect vehicle recall 2) Allow fast recall in safe zones (aka redline) This crusade against vehicles have to stop, make the game enjoyable for them too, otherwise delete them from the game. i agree with the long recall time, personally i believe that they should only be able to be recalled in the base otherwise it only encourages scrub play.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5359	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:12:00 - [33] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. Because this is that self-entitlement showing. Vehicle players have actually always been the spoiled children in the DUST family. With way too much in their favor, but them always wanting more. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1685	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:16:00 - [34] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Vehicle recall time really should be replaced by having to wait for an RDV in the queue to come retrieve it, and haul it off into the air. In the meantime, the current setting is decent. RDV's are notorious for destroying vehicles just as much as they deliver them and add the yo-yo effect as well as how they just slam some vehicles on the ground causing destruction as well as how they just sit there at times in mid air after delivering vehicles , I believe that the bugs should be dealt with in concerns of them as a platform before your idea could even be considered to work . No offence . I'm more along the lines of Shaman and others who believe that it should be tied into hacking skills because it's basically the same mechanic and that would cause or give incentive to those who care to max out their hacking skills . Something that's more or less like side arms , few and seldom used by the public at large . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1685	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:21:00 - [35] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: shaman oga wrote: Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. Because this is that self-entitlement showing. Vehicle players have actually always been the spoiled children in the DUST family. With way too much in their favor, but them always wanting more. Sitting on both sides of the fence that's kinda grouping all into a category because of the actions of a few and I'm sure you know who those few are so please , such a broad stroking comment like such is inaccurate . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5360	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:28:00 - [36] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: shaman oga wrote: Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. Because this is that self-entitlement showing. Vehicle players have actually always been the spoiled children in the DUST family. With way too much in their favor, but them always wanting more. Sitting on both sides of the fence that's kinda grouping all into a category because of the actions of a few and I'm sure you know who those few are so please , such a broad stroking comment like such is inaccurate . I mean "spoiled children" less in behavior, and more in what they have. For a variety of reasons, vehicle users have had "all the toys" for a very long time. The "self-entitlement" part, is specifically directed at shaman oga and people who make comments like that. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4377	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:31:00 - [37] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: shaman oga wrote: Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. Because this is that self-entitlement showing. Vehicle players have actually always been the spoiled children in the DUST family. With way too much in their favor, but them always wanting more. Sitting on both sides of the fence that's kinda grouping all into a category because of the actions of a few and I'm sure you know who those few are so please , such a broad stroking comment like such is inaccurate . I mean "spoiled children" less in behavior, and more in what they have. For a variety of reasons, vehicle users have had "all the toys" for a very long time. The "self-entitlement" part, is specifically directed at shaman oga and people who make comments like that. My apologies if the comment was misunderstood. There are quite a few very respectable vehicle pilots out there. There is nothing respectible about what I do inside my vehicles. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3595	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:42:00 - [38] - Quote If your prepared to go al the way to the redline, park it in a special garage get out and change it their then yeah sure ok. However you could just call your new vehicle first (in the redline) then recall your first one as it delivered, works for me. ;) They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3684	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:49:00 - [39] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: shaman oga wrote: Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. Because this is that self-entitlement showing. Vehicle players have actually always been the spoiled children in the DUST family. With way too much in their favor, but them always wanting more. Pardon me for my childish english, it's not always easy to express complicated concepts. I don't agree, vehicle GAMEPLAY has been progressively worsened, fun factor in using vehicle completely destroyed patch after patch. Most of us, just ask some fitting possibilities, some variation to the routine, but instead of add more modules, CCP have cut modules choice (undeniable fact) and cut vehicles. While i agree some vehicles have been OP, could you really blame vehicle players for using them. I've seen a lot of OP stuff and i've seen how EVERYBODY and their mother was using them (Tac AR, Flaylock, Callogi). We don't want an IWIN button, we want to enjoy the game. Situational awareness also known as passive scan. Minmatar omni-merc
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1687	Posted - 2015.01.14 00:06:00 - [40] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: shaman oga wrote: Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. Because this is that self-entitlement showing. Vehicle players have actually always been the spoiled children in the DUST family. With way too much in their favor, but them always wanting more. Sitting on both sides of the fence that's kinda grouping all into a category because of the actions of a few and I'm sure you know who those few are so please , such a broad stroking comment like such is inaccurate . I mean "spoiled children" less in behavior, and more in what they have. For a variety of reasons, vehicle users have had "all the toys" for a very long time. The "self-entitlement" part, is specifically directed at shaman oga and people who make comments like that. My apologies if the comment was misunderstood. There are quite a few very respectable vehicle pilots out there. I UNDERSTAND YOU but you have others who don't and who can say what they will but when you do the same that creates a problem when the problem was the lack of respect or and a misunderstanding to begin with . Don't want anyone to come down on you because they misunderstood what you ACTUALLY meant . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16559	Posted - 2015.01.14 00:11:00 - [41] - Quote I don't know what "toys" are being referred to... - Only two hulls of four - MLT and Standard Tier Hulls (others removed) - Module Variety Removed - Module Tiering Removed - Skill Tree Content Removed - Issues with Small Turret Hit Detection *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1688	Posted - 2015.01.14 00:17:00 - [42] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: shaman oga wrote: Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. Because this is that self-entitlement showing. Vehicle players have actually always been the spoiled children in the DUST family. With way too much in their favor, but them always wanting more. Pardon me for my childish english, it's not always easy to express complicated concepts. I don't agree, vehicle GAMEPLAY has been progressively worsened, fun factor in using vehicle completely destroyed patch after patch. Most of us, just ask some fitting possibilities, some variation to the routine, but instead of add more modules, CCP have cut modules choice (undeniable fact) and cut vehicles. While i agree some vehicles have been OP, could you really blame vehicle players for using them. I've seen a lot of OP stuff and i've seen how EVERYBODY and their mother was using them (Tac AR, Flaylock, Callogi). We don't want an IWIN button, we want to enjoy the game. Now if you want to compile me a list of all the favor that we had patch after patch i will be happy to review it. I can totally understand , I just started playing around 1.5 prob a little before but .. I got into HAV's and Dust because of vehicles , The sound and the fact that they were so interactive , you had to think about fits before you went into battle and the vehicle tree was like the infantry where SP's count and you had benefits the came with your work . This game had structure then and the only things that was missing was a few changes to some numbers of items that you ALREADY had in place and the structure was defined all about where now it's noticeable scattered , with so many changes in direction one doesn't know where their going now but to the next FOTM . It's more when you have to compete with the game and the competition , the game was more defined when I started but they were just lacking FULL content somewhat like now but without the structure . Gimmick bonuses on suits and weapons don't give this game content that's defined or a direction besides all these OTHER shooters out there and if you were trying to do something different , that doesn't help . Different is what the REAL gaming community needs , PC or Console . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 440	Posted - 2015.01.14 10:42:00 - [43] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 2. CCP would break it so that the SL can still lock on and that it can still take damage and die on the way back Um... yes, that would be part of it. Obviously. That's not "broken". One of the biggest problems with the vehicle recall system has been it's ability to let people swap out damaged vehicles for no cost and limited risk. Rather than a big delay timer than we have now, a sky recall, that remains vulnerable until it's far enough away would fix that issue. Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3. Are infantry going to have to be transported back to the warbarge so you can swap suits then? Infantry already can't swap suits wherever they want, there's limited choices on where to do so, and some maps there are practically no places to do so at all. 2. So beacuase you cannot kill it when its on the ground you want the ability to kill it when it is defenceless and being hauled away because it was too hard to do when on the ground? You are such a bad player 3. Yes you can, find a depot since there is 3 at least on every map
La Lore Sleipnier Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 268	Posted - 2015.01.14 10:55:00 - [44] - Quote The most important thing here is: when we can play an ADS with 2 small turrets firing at same time? Soy una hoja al viento a merced de los elementos...
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 901	Posted - 2015.01.14 13:26:00 - [45] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: A recall should infact entail an RDV retrieving your vehicle. It just makes sense. And then yes, it could be a shorter recall timer you have to hold, before the vehicle is just waiting for the RDV, but you can go on with your day. Clone D, it's not "hacking" your vehicle. All that spinny thing is is a timer. It could mean you're preparing the vehicle to be retrieved or something. This. I'd say eventually they'll take a step back and remove the recall timer under fire and just let you risk the RDV come and pick up your vehicle. If the rdv dies, your vehicle stays (and probably dies too). It was always a bit magical how the vehicle would disappear. It was good to see the exploit removed.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3687	Posted - 2015.01.14 13:44:00 - [46] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: This. I'd say eventually they'll take a step back and remove the recall timer under fire and just let you risk the RDV come and pick up your vehicle. If the rdv dies, your vehicle stays (and probably dies too). It was always a bit magical how the vehicle would disappear. It was good to see the exploit removed. Well, "magical disappear" can be explained with nanites decomposing, just like when clones die. I would like a RDV coming at your own risk, as long as: Possible from inside my vehicle (anti GTA) Kick me and all passanger if there's any (anti GTA) Can immediatly call another vehicle (gameplay flow) In this way i can recall and don't worry as long as i recall it in a safe position. I'm generally more worried about BB than redberries. Situational awareness also known as passive scan. Minmatar omni-merc


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