DUST Search - Vehicle recall time (too much)

shaman oga wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

shaman oga wrote:

Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players.

Because this is that self-entitlement showing. Vehicle players have actually always been the spoiled children in the DUST family. With way too much in their favor, but them always wanting more.

Pardon me for my childish english, it's not always easy to express complicated concepts.

I don't agree, vehicle GAMEPLAY has been progressively worsened, fun factor in using vehicle completely destroyed patch after patch.
Most of us, just ask some fitting possibilities, some variation to the routine, but instead of add more modules, CCP have cut modules choice (undeniable fact) and cut vehicles.

While i agree some vehicles have been OP, could you really blame vehicle players for using them.
I've seen a lot of OP stuff and i've seen how EVERYBODY and their mother was using them (Tac AR, Flaylock, Callogi).

We don't want an IWIN button, we want to enjoy the game.

Now if you want to compile me a list of all the favor that we had patch after patch i will be happy to review it.

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shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3683	Posted - 2015.01.13 22:41:00 - [31] - Quote I would like to have a serious system, logical or lore based, with RDV or vehicle decomposed in nanites, but you must understand that the game must flow to be enjoyable, vehicle recall and switch currently is a wasted time. Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. We always asked for vehicle locks, to not let blueberries steal our vehicles > we never had them. Fall through the map bug, since early uprising (probably chromo too) > never fixed Collsion damage from friendly vehicles (try to ram a blue DS with a LAV) > never taken in account Content has been cut, vehicle slot layout reduced and oversimplified. Aggressive AV community pretending to face a tank alone and destroy it 100% of the time. My suit has never been stolen by a blueberry, i never fell through the map when i was checking the map while infantry, a teammate touching me has never killed me. What we ask is to enjoy the game, since the vehicle have been introduced in the game, our demand has always been to have fun with them, as much as i have fun in infantry at least. Situational awareness also known as passive scan. Minmatar omni-merc
taxi bastard Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 299	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:10:00 - [32] - Quote shaman oga wrote: It takes way to much to recall a vehicle, while it takes very short to switch suit at the depot. Sometime vehicle players need to switch to another vehicle for different reasons and since AV is pretty nasty we should be treated as infantry. I understand it was problem before, but now it takes a silly amount of time. Solutions: 1) Make hacking skill affect vehicle recall 2) Allow fast recall in safe zones (aka redline) This crusade against vehicles have to stop, make the game enjoyable for them too, otherwise delete them from the game. i agree with the long recall time, personally i believe that they should only be able to be recalled in the base otherwise it only encourages scrub play.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5359	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:12:00 - [33] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. Because this is that self-entitlement showing. Vehicle players have actually always been the spoiled children in the DUST family. With way too much in their favor, but them always wanting more. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1685	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:16:00 - [34] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Vehicle recall time really should be replaced by having to wait for an RDV in the queue to come retrieve it, and haul it off into the air. In the meantime, the current setting is decent. RDV's are notorious for destroying vehicles just as much as they deliver them and add the yo-yo effect as well as how they just slam some vehicles on the ground causing destruction as well as how they just sit there at times in mid air after delivering vehicles , I believe that the bugs should be dealt with in concerns of them as a platform before your idea could even be considered to work . No offence . I'm more along the lines of Shaman and others who believe that it should be tied into hacking skills because it's basically the same mechanic and that would cause or give incentive to those who care to max out their hacking skills . Something that's more or less like side arms , few and seldom used by the public at large . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1685	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:21:00 - [35] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: shaman oga wrote: Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. Because this is that self-entitlement showing. Vehicle players have actually always been the spoiled children in the DUST family. With way too much in their favor, but them always wanting more. Sitting on both sides of the fence that's kinda grouping all into a category because of the actions of a few and I'm sure you know who those few are so please , such a broad stroking comment like such is inaccurate . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5360	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:28:00 - [36] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: shaman oga wrote: Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. Because this is that self-entitlement showing. Vehicle players have actually always been the spoiled children in the DUST family. With way too much in their favor, but them always wanting more. Sitting on both sides of the fence that's kinda grouping all into a category because of the actions of a few and I'm sure you know who those few are so please , such a broad stroking comment like such is inaccurate . I mean "spoiled children" less in behavior, and more in what they have. For a variety of reasons, vehicle users have had "all the toys" for a very long time. The "self-entitlement" part, is specifically directed at shaman oga and people who make comments like that. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4377	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:31:00 - [37] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: shaman oga wrote: Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. Because this is that self-entitlement showing. Vehicle players have actually always been the spoiled children in the DUST family. With way too much in their favor, but them always wanting more. Sitting on both sides of the fence that's kinda grouping all into a category because of the actions of a few and I'm sure you know who those few are so please , such a broad stroking comment like such is inaccurate . I mean "spoiled children" less in behavior, and more in what they have. For a variety of reasons, vehicle users have had "all the toys" for a very long time. The "self-entitlement" part, is specifically directed at shaman oga and people who make comments like that. My apologies if the comment was misunderstood. There are quite a few very respectable vehicle pilots out there. There is nothing respectible about what I do inside my vehicles. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3595	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:42:00 - [38] - Quote If your prepared to go al the way to the redline, park it in a special garage get out and change it their then yeah sure ok. However you could just call your new vehicle first (in the redline) then recall your first one as it delivered, works for me. ;) They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3684	Posted - 2015.01.13 23:49:00 - [39] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: shaman oga wrote: Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. Because this is that self-entitlement showing. Vehicle players have actually always been the spoiled children in the DUST family. With way too much in their favor, but them always wanting more. Pardon me for my childish english, it's not always easy to express complicated concepts. I don't agree, vehicle GAMEPLAY has been progressively worsened, fun factor in using vehicle completely destroyed patch after patch. Most of us, just ask some fitting possibilities, some variation to the routine, but instead of add more modules, CCP have cut modules choice (undeniable fact) and cut vehicles. While i agree some vehicles have been OP, could you really blame vehicle players for using them. I've seen a lot of OP stuff and i've seen how EVERYBODY and their mother was using them (Tac AR, Flaylock, Callogi). We don't want an IWIN button, we want to enjoy the game. Situational awareness also known as passive scan. Minmatar omni-merc
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1687	Posted - 2015.01.14 00:06:00 - [40] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: shaman oga wrote: Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. Because this is that self-entitlement showing. Vehicle players have actually always been the spoiled children in the DUST family. With way too much in their favor, but them always wanting more. Sitting on both sides of the fence that's kinda grouping all into a category because of the actions of a few and I'm sure you know who those few are so please , such a broad stroking comment like such is inaccurate . I mean "spoiled children" less in behavior, and more in what they have. For a variety of reasons, vehicle users have had "all the toys" for a very long time. The "self-entitlement" part, is specifically directed at shaman oga and people who make comments like that. My apologies if the comment was misunderstood. There are quite a few very respectable vehicle pilots out there. I UNDERSTAND YOU but you have others who don't and who can say what they will but when you do the same that creates a problem when the problem was the lack of respect or and a misunderstanding to begin with . Don't want anyone to come down on you because they misunderstood what you ACTUALLY meant . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16559	Posted - 2015.01.14 00:11:00 - [41] - Quote I don't know what "toys" are being referred to... - Only two hulls of four - MLT and Standard Tier Hulls (others removed) - Module Variety Removed - Module Tiering Removed - Skill Tree Content Removed - Issues with Small Turret Hit Detection *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1688	Posted - 2015.01.14 00:17:00 - [42] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: shaman oga wrote: Vehicle player has always be treaten in a bad manner, both from CCP and from other players. Because this is that self-entitlement showing. Vehicle players have actually always been the spoiled children in the DUST family. With way too much in their favor, but them always wanting more. Pardon me for my childish english, it's not always easy to express complicated concepts. I don't agree, vehicle GAMEPLAY has been progressively worsened, fun factor in using vehicle completely destroyed patch after patch. Most of us, just ask some fitting possibilities, some variation to the routine, but instead of add more modules, CCP have cut modules choice (undeniable fact) and cut vehicles. While i agree some vehicles have been OP, could you really blame vehicle players for using them. I've seen a lot of OP stuff and i've seen how EVERYBODY and their mother was using them (Tac AR, Flaylock, Callogi). We don't want an IWIN button, we want to enjoy the game. Now if you want to compile me a list of all the favor that we had patch after patch i will be happy to review it. I can totally understand , I just started playing around 1.5 prob a little before but .. I got into HAV's and Dust because of vehicles , The sound and the fact that they were so interactive , you had to think about fits before you went into battle and the vehicle tree was like the infantry where SP's count and you had benefits the came with your work . This game had structure then and the only things that was missing was a few changes to some numbers of items that you ALREADY had in place and the structure was defined all about where now it's noticeable scattered , with so many changes in direction one doesn't know where their going now but to the next FOTM . It's more when you have to compete with the game and the competition , the game was more defined when I started but they were just lacking FULL content somewhat like now but without the structure . Gimmick bonuses on suits and weapons don't give this game content that's defined or a direction besides all these OTHER shooters out there and if you were trying to do something different , that doesn't help . Different is what the REAL gaming community needs , PC or Console . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 440	Posted - 2015.01.14 10:42:00 - [43] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 2. CCP would break it so that the SL can still lock on and that it can still take damage and die on the way back Um... yes, that would be part of it. Obviously. That's not "broken". One of the biggest problems with the vehicle recall system has been it's ability to let people swap out damaged vehicles for no cost and limited risk. Rather than a big delay timer than we have now, a sky recall, that remains vulnerable until it's far enough away would fix that issue. Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 3. Are infantry going to have to be transported back to the warbarge so you can swap suits then? Infantry already can't swap suits wherever they want, there's limited choices on where to do so, and some maps there are practically no places to do so at all. 2. So beacuase you cannot kill it when its on the ground you want the ability to kill it when it is defenceless and being hauled away because it was too hard to do when on the ground? You are such a bad player 3. Yes you can, find a depot since there is 3 at least on every map
La Lore Sleipnier Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 268	Posted - 2015.01.14 10:55:00 - [44] - Quote The most important thing here is: when we can play an ADS with 2 small turrets firing at same time? Soy una hoja al viento a merced de los elementos...
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 901	Posted - 2015.01.14 13:26:00 - [45] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: A recall should infact entail an RDV retrieving your vehicle. It just makes sense. And then yes, it could be a shorter recall timer you have to hold, before the vehicle is just waiting for the RDV, but you can go on with your day. Clone D, it's not "hacking" your vehicle. All that spinny thing is is a timer. It could mean you're preparing the vehicle to be retrieved or something. This. I'd say eventually they'll take a step back and remove the recall timer under fire and just let you risk the RDV come and pick up your vehicle. If the rdv dies, your vehicle stays (and probably dies too). It was always a bit magical how the vehicle would disappear. It was good to see the exploit removed.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3687	Posted - 2015.01.14 13:44:00 - [46] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: This. I'd say eventually they'll take a step back and remove the recall timer under fire and just let you risk the RDV come and pick up your vehicle. If the rdv dies, your vehicle stays (and probably dies too). It was always a bit magical how the vehicle would disappear. It was good to see the exploit removed. Well, "magical disappear" can be explained with nanites decomposing, just like when clones die. I would like a RDV coming at your own risk, as long as: Possible from inside my vehicle (anti GTA) Kick me and all passanger if there's any (anti GTA) Can immediatly call another vehicle (gameplay flow) In this way i can recall and don't worry as long as i recall it in a safe position. I'm generally more worried about BB than redberries. Situational awareness also known as passive scan. Minmatar omni-merc


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