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Lazer Fo Cused
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.07 13:40:00 -
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1. They do, at least now and in the long run. Why? Because it would ultimately be a challenge.
2. It would make battles between vehicles and AV last longer which means more fun
3. It would give vehicles more of a place on the battlefield
4. I am a pilot and i think this is best for all the AV users in the game
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Mobius Wyvern
Sky-FIRE
5582
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Posted - 2015.01.07 13:44:00 -
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Lazer Fo Cused wrote:1. They do, at least now and in the long run. Why? Because it would ultimately be a challenge.
2. It would make battles between vehicles and AV last longer which means more fun
3. It would give vehicles more of a place on the battlefield
4. I am a pilot and i think this is best for all the AV users in the game
i see what you did there
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
413
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Posted - 2015.01.07 13:44:00 -
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No AV players do not want this. You want this so you can troll around in your death fortress and go 30/0 every match. Let's be honest here.
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
432
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Posted - 2015.01.07 13:47:00 -
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We had that already, when this game was called tank 514... nobody liked it, so it was dumped.
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
644
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Posted - 2015.01.07 13:48:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:No AV players do not want this. You want this so you can troll around in your death fortress and go 30/0 every match. Let's be honest here.
I see Scouts and Sentinels doing this.
Don't be a hypocrite.
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Mobius Wyvern
Sky-FIRE
5583
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Posted - 2015.01.07 13:51:00 -
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Okay, to be fair, Swarms need a nerfbat ******* BAD.
They require the least skill of any weapon in this game, and are the most dangerous.
If this game had ANY logic to it's design, Plasma Cannons would be the most powerful AV. Instead, Plasma Cannon users have to deal with an arc AND slow projectile speed, and their reward for getting hits despite those is to do a pitiful amount of damage while some skill-less Swarm user just holds down R1 three times and then waits through a short reload before doing that again until he runs out of ammo.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
413
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Posted - 2015.01.07 13:52:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:No AV players do not want this. You want this so you can troll around in your death fortress and go 30/0 every match. Let's be honest here. I see Scouts and Sentinels doing this. Don't be a hypocrite.
I also see assaults and commandos doing it. Why does everyone think scouts and heavies are the only ones who can slay?
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
644
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Posted - 2015.01.07 13:54:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:No AV players do not want this. You want this so you can troll around in your death fortress and go 30/0 every match. Let's be honest here. I see Scouts and Sentinels doing this. Don't be a hypocrite. I also see assaults and commandos doing it. Why does everyone think scouts and heavies are the only ones who can slay?
More common than Assaulta and Commandoa. But Assaults are slowly making a comeback.
Changes to Damage mods!
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
413
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Posted - 2015.01.07 13:56:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Okay, to be fair, Swarms need a nerfbat ******* BAD.
They require the least skill of any weapon in this game, and are the most dangerous.
If this game had ANY logic to it's design, Plasma Cannons would be the most powerful AV. Instead, Plasma Cannon users have to deal with an arc AND slow projectile speed, and their reward for getting hits despite those is to do a pitiful amount of damage while some skill-less Swarm user just holds down R1 three times and then waits through a short reload before doing that again until he runs out of ammo.
I see you've never used swarms. It does take skill. If you don't time your shots just right the pilot will simply run off quickly, regen, and come back for another round. Plus swarms barely scratch shield tanks, even at proto. So unless the pilot is an idiot, or you coordinate your attack with another av player, vehicles can be on the verge of invincibility. Why are we even having this conversation again? Wtf
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
413
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Posted - 2015.01.07 13:58:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:No AV players do not want this. You want this so you can troll around in your death fortress and go 30/0 every match. Let's be honest here. I see Scouts and Sentinels doing this. Don't be a hypocrite. I also see assaults and commandos doing it. Why does everyone think scouts and heavies are the only ones who can slay? More common than Assaulta and Commandoa. But Assaults are slowly making a comeback.
Guess you've never seen my minmando with a mass driver and a nasty rifle of some sorts. The only scouts that go 30/0 are the scrubby cal scouts and heavies are easy to kill if you don't rush em head on like a fool. Even if they have a logi.
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
644
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Posted - 2015.01.07 14:19:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:No AV players do not want this. You want this so you can troll around in your death fortress and go 30/0 every match. Let's be honest here. I see Scouts and Sentinels doing this. Don't be a hypocrite. I also see assaults and commandos doing it. Why does everyone think scouts and heavies are the only ones who can slay? More common than Assaulta and Commandoa. But Assaults are slowly making a comeback. Guess you've never seen my minmando with a mass driver and a nasty rifle of some sorts. The only scouts that go 30/0 are the scrubby cal scouts and heavies are easy to kill if you don't rush em head on like a fool. Even if they have a logi.
I have a Minmando. First suit I skilled into when 1.8 came along.
You are not seeing my point.
You are crying that you don't want tanks to be better on the field because they can go 30-0 when we have infantry doing the same thing. That is just hypocritical.
And don't bring the "Oh but I have to use a swarm which makes me weak against infantry" well guess what? Using a rifle will make you weak against a tank. Or if you want the best of both worlds run a Commando. Just know that you will be tad slower anda bit bigger.
Changes to Damage mods!
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WARxion ForDUST
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
294
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Posted - 2015.01.07 14:24:00 -
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Lazer Fo Cused wrote:1. They do, at least now and in the long run. Why? Because it would ultimately be a challenge.
2. It would make battles between vehicles and AV last longer which means more fun
3. It would give vehicles more of a place on the battlefield
4. I am a pilot and i think this is best for all the AV users in the game
I'm a strong, independent Amarrian pro-ammatar lasersexual assaultkin AV user and I find this purely tankist statement offensive!
Yes, I'm that desperate...
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
2361
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Posted - 2015.01.07 14:26:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Okay, to be fair, Swarms need a nerfbat ******* BAD.
They require the least skill of any weapon in this game, and are the most dangerous.
If this game had ANY logic to it's design, Plasma Cannons would be the most powerful AV. Instead, Plasma Cannon users have to deal with an arc AND slow projectile speed, and their reward for getting hits despite those is to do a pitiful amount of damage while some skill-less Swarm user just holds down R1 three times and then waits through a short reload before doing that again until he runs out of ammo. I see you've never used swarms. It does take skill. If you don't time your shots just right the pilot will simply run off quickly, regen, and come back for another round. Plus swarms barely scratch shield tanks, even at proto. So unless the pilot is an idiot, or you coordinate your attack with another av player, vehicles can be on the verge of invincibility. Why are we even having this conversation again? Wtf
Because English er, Takahiro tried "making a point" by posting on his alt.
Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are OP (especially Minmatar speed tanks)
^The reason why CCP is afraid to release them
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
6943
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Posted - 2015.01.07 14:36:00 -
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''AV users do want a 50% damage nerf to all AV weapons ''
No we dont.
Playing as : Calscout + Amarr Assault
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
5050
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Posted - 2015.01.07 14:39:00 -
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Worked out better than I expected after reading the OP. 6/10.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
413
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Posted - 2015.01.07 14:42:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:[quote=robin williams' ghost][quote=Buwaro
You are not seeing my point.
You are crying that you don't want tanks to be better on the field because they can go 30-0 when we have infantry doing the same thing. That is just hypocritical.
And don't bring the "Oh but I have to use a swarm which makes me weak against infantry" well guess what? Using a rifle will make you weak against a tank. Or if you want the best of both worlds run a Commando. Just know that you will be tad slower anda bit bigger.
No, I can see your point, I just think you're full of ****. Too many people spam the hell out of tanks these days, especially in doms, to the point where the entire squad needs to focus on destroying the basterds (misspelled intentionally grammer naazis) anyways by that point the reds have hacked the point and the blueberries have retreated to the redline with their sniper starter fits and the match is lost.
If tanks were limited on the field my opinion may change slightly but until then I firmly say no to nerfing any type of av weapon.
As for the infantry who go 30/0 in a match, they are doing it without an armored box to hide in, so if they're skilled enough to do it, let em. Very few can pull that off consistently anyways, but if you nerf av, tanks will be doing it match after match after match, ah you get the idea.
Btw I also skilled into proto minmando the day it was created and still use it daily. It's possibly my favorite suit.
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Nonoriri ko
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2015.01.07 14:52:00 -
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All assault and regular drop ships need a fuel gage.
This gage would deplete like ammo as you fly.
You would need to visit a supply depot for fuel to refill.
Why?
1. They do, at least now and in the long run. Why? Because it would ultimately be a challenge.
2. It would make battles between vehicles and AV last longer which means more fun
3. It would give vehicles more of a place on the battlefield
4. I am a pilot and i think this is best for all the AV users in the game
Fixed it for you, you were asking the wrong thing.
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
644
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Posted - 2015.01.07 14:52:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:[quote=robin williams' ghost][quote=Buwaro
You are not seeing my point.
You are crying that you don't want tanks to be better on the field because they can go 30-0 when we have infantry doing the same thing. That is just hypocritical.
And don't bring the "Oh but I have to use a swarm which makes me weak against infantry" well guess what? Using a rifle will make you weak against a tank. Or if you want the best of both worlds run a Commando. Just know that you will be tad slower anda bit bigger. No, I can see your point, I just think you're full of ****. Too many people spam the hell out of tanks these days, especially in doms, to the point where the entire squad needs to focus on destroying the basterds (misspelled intentionally grammer naazis) anyways by that point the reds have hacked the point and the blueberries have retreated to the redline with their sniper starter fits and the match is lost. If tanks were limited on the field my opinion may change slightly but until then I firmly say no to nerfing any type of av weapon. As for the infantry who go 30/0 in a match, they are doing it without an armored box to hide in, so if they're skilled enough to do it, let em. Very few can pull that off consistently anyways, but if you nerf av, tanks will be doing it match after match after match, ah you get the idea. Btw I also skilled into proto minmando the day it was created and still use it daily. It's possibly my favorite suit.
And tanks that pull off 30/0 are not skilled?
Have you not seen how many swams appear on the field at the first sight of tank?
Yeah. Biased and hypocritical.
At least on infantry you can escape. Swarms chase you until they decide to hit a building or dunes.
And tank spam? Last time I saw more than 2 tanks per match was like a few weeks ago.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
746
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Posted - 2015.01.07 14:52:00 -
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the troll is strong in this one.
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
458
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Posted - 2015.01.07 14:54:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:No AV players do not want this. You want this so you can troll around in your death fortress and go 30/0 every match. Let's be honest here. I see Scouts and Sentinels doing this all the time. Tanks? Not so much. Quit being a a coward and go chase that tank if you want it dead. Don't be a hypocrite.
The difference is that Sentinels don't have over 2,000 armor and 1,000 shields.
The State will always survive.
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
415
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Posted - 2015.01.07 15:21:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:[quote=robin williams' ghost][quote=Buwaro
You are not seeing my point.
You are crying that you don't want tanks to be better on the field because they can go 30-0 when we have infantry doing the same thing. That is just hypocritical.
And don't bring the "Oh but I have to use a swarm which makes me weak against infantry" well guess what? Using a rifle will make you weak against a tank. Or if you want the best of both worlds run a Commando. Just know that you will be tad slower anda bit bigger. No, I can see your point, I just think you're full of ****. Too many people spam the hell out of tanks these days, especially in doms, to the point where the entire squad needs to focus on destroying the basterds (misspelled intentionally grammer naazis) anyways by that point the reds have hacked the point and the blueberries have retreated to the redline with their sniper starter fits and the match is lost. If tanks were limited on the field my opinion may change slightly but until then I firmly say no to nerfing any type of av weapon. As for the infantry who go 30/0 in a match, they are doing it without an armored box to hide in, so if they're skilled enough to do it, let em. Very few can pull that off consistently anyways, but if you nerf av, tanks will be doing it match after match after match, ah you get the idea. Btw I also skilled into proto minmando the day it was created and still use it daily. It's possibly my favorite suit. And tanks that pull off 30/0 are not skilled? Have you not seen how many swams appear on the field at the first sight of tank? Yeah. Biased and hypocritical. At least on infantry you can escape. Swarms chase you until they decide to hit a building or dunes. And tank spam? Last time I saw more than 2 tanks per match was like a few weeks ago.
If they go 30/0 in their current state they're skilled, Nerf av though, and every tom **** and Harry will be going 30/0 in their armored fortress. And if you haven't noticed the tank spam as of late you obviously haven't been playing.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
9143
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Posted - 2015.01.07 15:29:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Okay, to be fair, Swarms need a nerfbat ******* BAD.
They require the least skill of any weapon in this game, and are the most dangerous.
If this game had ANY logic to it's design, Plasma Cannons would be the most powerful AV. Instead, Plasma Cannon users have to deal with an arc AND slow projectile speed, and their reward for getting hits despite those is to do a pitiful amount of damage while some skill-less Swarm user just holds down R1 three times and then waits through a short reload before doing that again until he runs out of ammo. I see you've never used swarms. It does take skill. If you don't time your shots just right the pilot will simply run off quickly, regen, and come back for another round. Plus swarms barely scratch shield tanks, even at proto. So unless the pilot is an idiot, or you coordinate your attack with another av player, vehicles can be on the verge of invincibility. Why are we even having this conversation again? Wtf
What you just said applies to the plasma cannon as well plus all the factors that you have to account for with the plasma cannon.
Yeah, swarm is pretty easy. There's no denying that, absolutely no denying that, fire and forget and then you have another hit jn the mag....really???
Plasma Cannon will wreck shields but has a tough time against armor as it should.
Point is swarms are easy as **** especially for what they can do.
CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1443
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Posted - 2015.01.07 15:36:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:''AV users do want a 50% damage nerf to all AV weapons ''
No we dont.
It's meant to be a troll. This is some tanker thinking his shiny toy got nerfed too hard because he think tanks should be invincible.
Because, that's why.
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RayRay James
Titans of Phoenix
879
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Posted - 2015.01.07 15:40:00 -
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WARxion ForDUST wrote:
I'm a strong, independent Amarrian pro-ammatar lasersexual assaultkin AV user and I find this purely tankist statement offensive!
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1443
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Posted - 2015.01.07 15:43:00 -
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You are not seeing my point.
You are crying that you don't want tanks to be better on the field because they can go 30-0 when we have infantry doing the same thing. That is just hypocritical.
And don't bring the "Oh but I have to use a swarm which makes me weak against infantry" well guess what? Using a rifle will make you weak against a tank. Or if you want the best of both worlds run a Commando. Just know that you will be tad slower anda bit bigger.[/quote]
No, I can see your point, I just think you're full of ****. Too many people spam the hell out of tanks these days, especially in doms, to the point where the entire squad needs to focus on destroying the basterds (misspelled intentionally grammer naazis) anyways by that point the reds have hacked the point and the blueberries have retreated to the redline with their sniper starter fits and the match is lost.
If tanks were limited on the field my opinion may change slightly but until then I firmly say no to nerfing any type of av weapon.
As for the infantry who go 30/0 in a match, they are doing it without an armored box to hide in, so if they're skilled enough to do it, let em. Very few can pull that off consistently anyways, but if you nerf av, tanks will be doing it match after match after match, ah you get the idea.
Btw I also skilled into proto minmando the day it was created and still use it daily. It's possibly my favorite suit.[/quote]
And tanks that pull off 30/0 are not skilled?
Have you not seen how many swams appear on the field at the first sight of tank?
Yeah. Biased and hypocritical.
At least on infantry you can escape. Swarms chase you until they decide to hit a building or dunes.
And tank spam? Last time I saw more than 2 tanks per match was like a few weeks ago.[/quote]
If they go 30/0 in their current state they're skilled, Nerf av though, and every tom **** and Harry will be going 30/0 in their armored fortress. And if you haven't noticed the tank spam as of late you obviously haven't been playing.[/quote]
I don't mind a tanker going 30/0, just like I don't mind any fit going 30/0 IF that is balanced by the same fit going 2/10 with other players. I don't see tankers going 2/10 and I don't see swarmers going 30/0. I think AV balance is pretty close, armor vehicles need a little buff, turrets could use a little tweak and there are some vehicle issues not related to AV that should happen, but tanker tears seem largely to be based on the idea that they should be the most powerful force on the field and not equal to any other player.
Because, that's why.
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Harpyja
Legio DXIV
2245
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Posted - 2015.01.07 15:47:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Okay, to be fair, Swarms need a nerfbat ******* BAD.
They require the least skill of any weapon in this game, and are the most dangerous.
If this game had ANY logic to it's design, Plasma Cannons would be the most powerful AV. Instead, Plasma Cannon users have to deal with an arc AND slow projectile speed, and their reward for getting hits despite those is to do a pitiful amount of damage while some skill-less Swarm user just holds down R1 three times and then waits through a short reload before doing that again until he runs out of ammo. I see you've never used swarms. It does take skill. If you don't time your shots just right the pilot will simply run off quickly, regen, and come back for another round. Plus swarms barely scratch shield tanks, even at proto. So unless the pilot is an idiot, or you coordinate your attack with another av player, vehicles can be on the verge of invincibility. Why are we even having this conversation again? Wtf
I'm only going to say that I have some specialization into swarms on my alt and they do NOT require skill to use. It's total bs to say that they require timing to pull. You just shoot them as quickly as possible before the vehicle runs out of your range. There's nothig more to it.
"By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32
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Mobius Wyvern
Sky-FIRE
5585
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Posted - 2015.01.07 15:52:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Okay, to be fair, Swarms need a nerfbat ******* BAD.
They require the least skill of any weapon in this game, and are the most dangerous.
If this game had ANY logic to it's design, Plasma Cannons would be the most powerful AV. Instead, Plasma Cannon users have to deal with an arc AND slow projectile speed, and their reward for getting hits despite those is to do a pitiful amount of damage while some skill-less Swarm user just holds down R1 three times and then waits through a short reload before doing that again until he runs out of ammo. I see you've never used swarms. It does take skill. If you don't time your shots just right the pilot will simply run off quickly, regen, and come back for another round. Plus swarms barely scratch shield tanks, even at proto. So unless the pilot is an idiot, or you coordinate your attack with another av player, vehicles can be on the verge of invincibility. Why are we even having this conversation again? Wtf
I have Wyrkomi Swarms with Proficiency and run them on a Caldari Assault with Damage Mods.
I use them against pilots that I know by experience are very good at what they do, and no matter what they do they cannot evade them because they even fly outside of their supposed 400 meter max range.
Since the newest buffs to Swarm Launchers, I have never brought one into a match without getting several kills. They are easymode incarnate and require no ability on the part of the player using them.
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
416
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Posted - 2015.01.07 15:53:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Okay, to be fair, Swarms need a nerfbat ******* BAD.
They require the least skill of any weapon in this game, and are the most dangerous.
If this game had ANY logic to it's design, Plasma Cannons would be the most powerful AV. Instead, Plasma Cannon users have to deal with an arc AND slow projectile speed, and their reward for getting hits despite those is to do a pitiful amount of damage while some skill-less Swarm user just holds down R1 three times and then waits through a short reload before doing that again until he runs out of ammo. I see you've never used swarms. It does take skill. If you don't time your shots just right the pilot will simply run off quickly, regen, and come back for another round. Plus swarms barely scratch shield tanks, even at proto. So unless the pilot is an idiot, or you coordinate your attack with another av player, vehicles can be on the verge of invincibility. Why are we even having this conversation again? Wtf I'm only going to say that I have some specialization into swarms on my alt and they do NOT require skill to use. It's total bs to say that they require timing to pull. You just shoot them as quickly as possible before the vehicle runs out of your range. There's nothig more to it.
You said it yourself, shoot till it runs away.
I don't want it to run away I want it to die.
Therefore you have to time your shots with another av player
Now, if you nerf them, especially by an absurd 50 percent swarms will be utterly useless
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
2361
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Posted - 2015.01.07 15:59:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Okay, to be fair, Swarms need a nerfbat ******* BAD.
They require the least skill of any weapon in this game, and are the most dangerous.
If this game had ANY logic to it's design, Plasma Cannons would be the most powerful AV. Instead, Plasma Cannon users have to deal with an arc AND slow projectile speed, and their reward for getting hits despite those is to do a pitiful amount of damage while some skill-less Swarm user just holds down R1 three times and then waits through a short reload before doing that again until he runs out of ammo. I see you've never used swarms. It does take skill. If you don't time your shots just right the pilot will simply run off quickly, regen, and come back for another round. Plus swarms barely scratch shield tanks, even at proto. So unless the pilot is an idiot, or you coordinate your attack with another av player, vehicles can be on the verge of invincibility. Why are we even having this conversation again? Wtf I'm only going to say that I have some specialization into swarms on my alt and they do NOT require skill to use. It's total bs to say that they require timing to pull. You just shoot them as quickly as possible before the vehicle runs out of your range. There's nothig more to it.
Yes, there are times where it can be this easy, though not every time will it be this easy.
If the guy in the HAV doesn't have the greatest judgement and gets caught out in the open then yes, yes it will certainly be that easy.
If he knows what he is doing in an HAV and has available structural obstructions, it'll be a lot harder than what you describe and will require skill or coordination in order to successfully kill the HAV.
Technically, you're both correct.
Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are OP (especially Minmatar speed tanks)
^The reason why CCP is afraid to release them
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Harpyja
Legio DXIV
2245
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Posted - 2015.01.07 16:02:00 -
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robin williams' ghost wrote:Harpyja wrote:robin williams' ghost wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Okay, to be fair, Swarms need a nerfbat ******* BAD.
They require the least skill of any weapon in this game, and are the most dangerous.
If this game had ANY logic to it's design, Plasma Cannons would be the most powerful AV. Instead, Plasma Cannon users have to deal with an arc AND slow projectile speed, and their reward for getting hits despite those is to do a pitiful amount of damage while some skill-less Swarm user just holds down R1 three times and then waits through a short reload before doing that again until he runs out of ammo. I see you've never used swarms. It does take skill. If you don't time your shots just right the pilot will simply run off quickly, regen, and come back for another round. Plus swarms barely scratch shield tanks, even at proto. So unless the pilot is an idiot, or you coordinate your attack with another av player, vehicles can be on the verge of invincibility. Why are we even having this conversation again? Wtf I'm only going to say that I have some specialization into swarms on my alt and they do NOT require skill to use. It's total bs to say that they require timing to pull. You just shoot them as quickly as possible before the vehicle runs out of your range. There's nothig more to it. You said it yourself, shoot till it runs away. I don't want it to run away I want it to die. Therefore you have to time your shots with another av player Now, if you nerf them, especially by an absurd 50 percent swarms will be utterly useless
Only if you don't engage them at a distance, when you can't get any closer, but can do enough damage to scare them off. I've had a fair amount of success in destroying HAVs though when I'm right next to them.
And also, need I remind you that the 50% nerf thing in the OP was just a joke to make a point?
"By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32
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