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Djinn SouI Molden Heath PoIice Department 97	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:52:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously.. What is their role? In a pc fight all vehicles ever do is drive around the map taking out all the turrets raking up points and avoiding the battle up to mid-end game and even then they are of not much help. They just farm wp safely in professional matches for an ob... In pubs? What is there role? Seriously? They have never been balanced at all... They are either OP or UP. No proto versions yet we have proto weapons. How the hell are we supposed to achieve true balance like that? Heavy suits = tanks. Primarily defensive guard units. Logi = Support players. They can range from medics to uplinkers to scanners ect. Assaults = your killers. Scouts = your speed kings. They can easily and quickly get from point to point to both attack or defend. They also favor a stealth style of gameplay. Commandos = good for av as you can hold another primary weapon. Also good for snipers to have another primary weapon. But also good for a variety of roles. Those who know how to play them to their potential are usually quite skilled. At least this is how I see it but tanks?? gets hit by one swarm launcher, goes to run and hide wastes time repping and waiting for modules to recover. Why not keep defending? "Because I dont wanna lose millions of isk QQ. So I am going to hide for half the game because I am risking so much and not really help out at all. I can't do much of anything to help out at the objectives unless I am OP and can destroy eveyrthing in my sights. Vehiclists are some of the biggest babies....But these are just my opinions. I am open to your thoughts. Are you a vehiclist? what is your role on the battlefield? What do you believe your role should be? Can you succesfully fill your role? How do you help the gameplay of an actual match? this is your one chance to prove me wrong. I am listening...
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14299	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:53:00 - [2] - Quote CCP wrote: Interesting my good sir! Very interesting indeed! Feline overlord of all humans Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
Quasar Storm 0uter.Heaven 441	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:56:00 - [3] - Quote Vehicles still have a role in PCs -- Fly Swatters. ADS & Tank pilot. Drifting on *Stormy* Seas. The "Eh" Team
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1095	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:56:00 - [4] - Quote Vehicles in this game really should be for huge maps with huge battles where vehicles are much more important and effective. Right now they are kind of meh and do provide support but with these small maps they don't have much to go to. There is no reason to remove then however lol. Should Legion be on the ps4?
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 243	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:58:00 - [5] - Quote So, CCP nerfs vehicles because of vehicle haters crying. Then the vehicle haters say to remove them because they are useless? LogicGÇª swoosh! I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2673	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:58:00 - [6] - Quote I'm trying really hard to try to give a ** and explain how you're a ***** idiot, but I just can't. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Djinn SouI Molden Heath PoIice Department 97	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:19:00 - [7] - Quote All of these responses and I still have not received any answers to my questions... I bolded them for a reason. I am giving you guys a chance to state your case. If this is the best all of you can do then it only reinforces my belief that they should be removed.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4963	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:20:00 - [8] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: I'm trying really hard to try to give a ** and explain how you're a ***** idiot, but I just can't. OMG, Goldin can't even.... (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Quasar Storm 0uter.Heaven 442	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:25:00 - [9] - Quote Djinn SouI wrote: All of these responses and I still have not received any answers to my questions... I bolded them for a reason. I am giving you guys a chance to state your case. If this is the best all of you can do then it only reinforces my belief that they should be removed. I would answer seriously, If I could take you seriously. Cause you're not Soul. ADS & Tank pilot. Drifting on *Stormy* Seas. The "Eh" Team
Djinn SouI Molden Heath PoIice Department 97	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:46:00 - [10] - Quote Quasar Storm wrote: Djinn SouI wrote: All of these responses and I still have not received any answers to my questions... I bolded them for a reason. I am giving you guys a chance to state your case. If this is the best all of you can do then it only reinforces my belief that they should be removed. I would answer seriously, If I could take you seriously. Cause you're not Soul. It doesnt matter who I am. CCP will probably read this and see that not one single person can provide one counter arguement. My questions are very simple and I answered them for every other role.

Ace Boone Capital Acquisitions LLC 658	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:09:00 - [11] - Quote ADS play a key in removing high-ground presence, keeping AV busy and being pesky as ** to deal with. LAVs get people from point to point in pubs. Tanks are pretty much useless. You only use tanks to kill other tanks or to help support homepoint. They have their small uses, but their not really..useful. The blasters need to be fixed. The dispersion rate just makes it..not fun. It needs to be very effective in CQC, but the dispersion rate needs to increase with range. It's a ***** tank for Chirst's sake, but it's like a spray gun in close quarters. And remove militia tanks. If tanks are good, they should be expensive. There shouldn't be a tank less expensive than a proto suit. Only loyal to the republic. I'm nothing more than bittervet without a PS3.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 244	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:14:00 - [12] - Quote Djinn SouI wrote: Quasar Storm wrote: Djinn SouI wrote: All of these responses and I still have not received any answers to my questions... I bolded them for a reason. I am giving you guys a chance to state your case. If this is the best all of you can do then it only reinforces my belief that they should be removed. I would answer seriously, If I could take you seriously. Cause you're not Soul. It doesnt matter who I am. CCP will probably read this and see that not one single person can provide one counter arguement. My questions are very simple and I answered them for every other role. Good Lord, look up almost everything that has been said over the past year. Must we repeat the same stuff in yet another thread? It's beginning to sound like a broken record and I gave up records thirty years ago. It's all mp3 now baby! I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Djinn SouI Molden Heath PoIice Department 97	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:15:00 - [13] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: ADS play a key in removing high-ground presence, keeping AV busy and being pesky as ** to deal with. LAVs get people from point to point in pubs. Tanks are pretty much useless. You only use tanks to kill other tanks or to help support homepoint. They have their small uses, but their not really..useful. The blasters need to be fixed. The dispersion rate just makes it..not fun. It needs to be very effective in CQC, but the dispersion rate increases with range. It's a ***** tank for Chirst's sake, but it's like a spray gun in close quarters. And remove militia tanks. If tanks are good, they should be expensive. There shouldn't be a tank less expensive than a proto suit. I agree with this 100%. They are useless. I don't see why tankers don't want to come here and answer my questions on what they believe their role should be and if they are able to do it right now. They are too raged because I said to remove them to provide any kind of feed back. Perhaps they know what I say is true but they should also know that this is their chance to tell CCP what should be done to tanks to give them an actual role.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5357	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:15:00 - [14] - Quote I dodged a few words here and there and just went for the bold words, and stopped when I read "vehiclists". Um, no. "Operative" should be used when speaking (or, in this case, typing) about different type of vehicle users.
Djinn SouI Molden Heath PoIice Department 97	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:15:00 - [15] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Djinn SouI wrote: Quasar Storm wrote: Djinn SouI wrote: All of these responses and I still have not received any answers to my questions... I bolded them for a reason. I am giving you guys a chance to state your case. If this is the best all of you can do then it only reinforces my belief that they should be removed. I would answer seriously, If I could take you seriously. Cause you're not Soul. It doesnt matter who I am. CCP will probably read this and see that not one single person can provide one counter arguement. My questions are very simple and I answered them for every other role. Good Lord, look up almost everything that has been said over the past year. Must we repeat the same stuff in yet another thread? It's beginning to sound like a broken record and I gave up records thirty years ago. It's all mp3 now baby! sounds like a simple copy and paste job. Too bad not one single person has still not provided one actual use for them.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 244	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:16:00 - [16] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: ADS play a key in removing high-ground presence, keeping AV busy and being pesky as ** to deal with. LAVs get people from point to point in pubs. Tanks are pretty much useless. You only use tanks to kill other tanks or to help support homepoint. They have their small uses, but their not really..useful. The blasters need to be fixed. The dispersion rate just makes it..not fun. It needs to be very effective in CQC, but the dispersion rate increases with range. It's a ***** tank for Chirst's sake, but it's like a spray gun in close quarters. And remove militia tanks. If tanks are good, they should be expensive. There shouldn't be a tank less expensive than a proto suit. Blasters are still very useful. All tanks as well as ADS still do a good job of one really useful thingGÇª they make people move! Best area of denial there is. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Djinn SouI Molden Heath PoIice Department 97	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:16:00 - [17] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I dodged a few words here and there and just went for the bold words, and stopped when I read "vehiclists". Um, no. "Operative" should be used when speaking (or, in this case, typing) about different type of vehicle users. The most constructive feedback I have received so far. +1
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 92	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:25:00 - [18] - Quote Djinn SouI wrote: All of these responses and I still have not received any answers to my questions... I bolded them for a reason. I am giving you guys a chance to state your case. If this is the best all of you can do then it only reinforces my belief that they should be removed. No desire to convince you. Take away something like this and its more of a watered down shooter.
Djinn SouI Molden Heath PoIice Department 97	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:31:00 - [19] - Quote TIGER SHARK1501 wrote: Djinn SouI wrote: All of these responses and I still have not received any answers to my questions... I bolded them for a reason. I am giving you guys a chance to state your case. If this is the best all of you can do then it only reinforces my belief that they should be removed. No desire to convince you. Take away something like this and its more of a watered down shooter. lol I really love how not one single tanker can defend themselves from a few simple questions.
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2749	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:58:00 - [20] - Quote CCP, remove the plasma cannon. No role in PC No role in pubs Maybe they're just there for fun and interesting content? Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~

Miokai Zahou WarRavens Capital Punishment. 443	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:58:00 - [21] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP wrote: Interesting my good sir! Very interesting indeed! ^ this a millions times more. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16435	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:58:00 - [22] - Quote Sure tanks don't currently have a role. This doesn't mean they shouldn't have one. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 260	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:32:00 - [23] - Quote I wouldnt call myself a vehiclist but I have started to regularly fly a dropship that is outfitted to replace the logi DS of old. High Tank, High Rep, CRU, and decent guns. Plus its fun to squish people Rise and shine CCP. It's time to implement ping based match making.
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 2421	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:49:00 - [24] - Quote Surprised True hasn't came climbing out of his golden HAV dreams. Here, let me give you a reason. ADS: To destroy uplinks and those who will lay more. DS: To transport players from A to B and sometimes to R. (Rooftops :p) HAV: To suppress infantry, destroy vehicles that pester their team and such. LAV: To transport players from A to B. Also for fun. I am a Calscout Knifer so HAVs are kinda important to me. They help their team feel bulletproof and run into doorway where I wait, and when they fail, they become a tasty snack. Removing them would destroy this whole ecosystem. EDIT: He has... but was very disappointing. You better not cry. You'd better not pout, I'm telling you why. Raven Claws is coming to town! I <3 my Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2943	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:57:00 - [25] - Quote Soul \o/
Djinn SouI Molden Heath PoIice Department 97	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:57:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sure tanks don't currently have a role. This doesn't mean they shouldn't have one. That is also why I asked what tankers believe their role in the battlefield should be.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 260	Posted - 2015.01.06 09:00:00 - [27] - Quote With their current low cost their role should be area denial and AV. Not area supremacy. If we went back to the old tanks worth 2mil+ ISK then i would agree that they should have supremacy over a battlefield Rise and shine CCP. It's time to implement ping based match making.
Djinn SouI Molden Heath PoIice Department 98	Posted - 2015.01.06 09:00:00 - [28] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Surprised True hasn't came climbing out of his golden HAV dreams. Here, let me give you a reason. ADS: To destroy uplinks and those who will lay more. DS: To transport players from A to B and sometimes to R. (Rooftops :p) HAV: To suppress infantry, destroy vehicles that pester their team and such. LAV: To transport players from A to B. Also for fun. I am a Calscout Knifer so HAVs are kinda important to me. They help their team feel bulletproof and run into doorway where I wait, and when they fail, they become a tasty snack. Removing them would destroy this whole ecosystem. EDIT: He has... but was very disappointing. Thank you for your response. Finally got someone who is trying. If HAV's role is to destroy other vehicles then do you think it should be easier for them to target dropships? I mostly just see take out other tanks or lavs.
Djinn SouI Molden Heath PoIice Department 98	Posted - 2015.01.06 09:03:00 - [29] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Soul \o/ Hi.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2945	Posted - 2015.01.06 09:09:00 - [30] - Quote Turret Structures getting a health buff was a start... It lets tankers have a place of contention.. And some time and an actual need if a turret is manned as it can wreck an entire area... The problem? Turrets are put in some of the worst stupidest spots that could of been thought of..... It's like who put them there never really saw the game in action... If there was only a Few Static Turret Infrastructures on the map, but put in very very effective general high traffic locations... Then these turrets had relative decent A.I that tracked Vehicles primarily but otherwise infantry too..... Then infantry would be forced to use tankers or sacrifice significant Infantry to AV aspirations... Turrets should be check points in maps... For both Infantry and Vehicles... They should be points of contention just like a CRU or supply depot... Then have Turret Infrastructures Be able to be called in by players for a set amount of war points.... Allow Turret installations to have fittings and be purchasable on the market... This would cause a need in tactics for Tankers in general to properly push a majority of objectives.... Or points of interest... Also would allow them to have a cost reduction depending on how the performance is balanced. Give us Racial Large Weapons on Turrets... Amarr Giant Lasers, Minmatar Artillery... etc.



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