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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:35:00 -
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Its a very disturbing trend i see on the forums, if something is FOTM then its clearly the most OP thing ever and needs nerfed right?
right now everyoens trying to come to the conclusion of what the FOTM is right now (seems to be settling on min--assault) but the hilarious part is that the min assault has ALWAYS been that good....
you guys are all suffering from confirmation bias, since its FOTM its used more oftin, and statistically it will kill you more oftin, that alone isnt confirmation of it being overpowered, it just means its overused.
OP and OU are not the same thing, but produce similar killfeed results.
OU means it doesnt matter what you do you will still die to it, simply because of how common it becomes.
OP means it has no available or realistic counter, or it focuses on an untintended unsupproted flaw in the game itself. or that it has an unndenyable advantage over all other counterparts.
also OP /= UP
just becuase something outperforms its counterparts doesnt mean its OP, it could iin fact mean that its counterpart is underpowered. like madrugars (nuff said)
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:45:00 -
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The longer it takes to find the FOTM the better.
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:47:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The longer it takes to find the FOTM the better.
caldari demo logi :P its a thing i swear
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Jacques Cayton II
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:47:00 -
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The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it.
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:50:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it.
its ALWAYS been able to do that.....
whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP
(hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity)
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Echo 1991
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:51:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity)
It got a HP buff... |
Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:54:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) It got a HP buff...
and yet still has less HP than everyone else :P
in order to say its OP now, you have to say it wasnt UP before... contrary to the popular opinion of the time.
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:54:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. tell you the truth all the other assaults are better than the min assault at slaying. the suit is just very versatile.
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:01:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. tell you the truth all the other assaults are better than the min assault at slaying. the suit is just very versatile.
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Echo 1991
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:17:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) It got a HP buff... and yet still has less HP than everyone else :P in order to say its OP now, you have to say it wasnt UP before... contrary to the popular opinion of the time.
39 HP difference for a .4 m/s speed buff. That HP difference is such a handicap 
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:25:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) It got a HP buff... and yet still has less HP than everyone else :P in order to say its OP now, you have to say it wasnt UP before... contrary to the popular opinion of the time. 39 HP difference for a .4 m/s speed buff. That HP difference is such a handicap
thus proving FOTM /= OP
becuase minmatar assault has always been as good as it is now....and was concidered to be UP for so damn lonng... people even complained about the tiny buff as barely any difference (wich is true, but it diddnt need it and doesnt really make it any better anyways)
once upon a time minmatars versatility and utility was believed to be its weakesst aspect... now its the strongest without any change? yup FOTM /= OP, just means OU
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Joel II X
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:28:00 -
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"Was always that good"
It used to be 5 highs and 2 lows at proto, if I remember correctly. I wouldn't call that good... at least, not like 4/4 is. |
Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:31:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:"Was always that good"
It used to be 5 highs and 2 lows at proto, if I remember correctly. I wouldn't call that good... at least, not like 4/4 is.
it was :P, it was godlly at positional advantage, you always picked your fights and could always escape a gank with enough awareness.
few were aware of how good it was even then, and fewer ran it. but it has always been this good, even with the 5/2 layout
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:36:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity)
I Have been a Min Assault since the launch of Uprising.
While the suit has always offered speed and some fitting flexability...
The Extra slot with Increased Powergrid, The Natural armor repair.. And the Minmatar Stamina regeneration... Which are all new has made the suit competitive...
But what works better in an actualy competitive match? A Minmatar assault with 1000 Health total... Probably just under..
Or an Amarr Assault with 180 Shield and 1080 Armor and 3 damage mods on a SCR.
Minmatar Assault only are prevalent in public matches simply because they cover all basis decently while bbeing a master at none..... It allows you to be slightly prepared for every engagement.. Where other suits are somewhat pigeon holed.
But toe to toe? Which is largely what PC comes down to.... And Minmatar Assault is lacking...
But damn the suit is fun... That is what is OP about it... People enjoy playing it. |
Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:39:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) I Have been a Min Assault since the launch of Uprising. While the suit has always offered speed and some fitting flexability... The Extra slot with Increased Powergrid, The Natural armor repair.. And the Minmatar Stamina regeneration... Which are all new has made the suit competitive... But what works better in an actualy competitive match? A Minmatar assault with 1000 Health total... Probably just under.. Or an Amarr Assault with 180 Shield and 1080 Armor and 3 damage mods on a SCR. Minmatar Assault only are prevalent in public matches simply because they cover all basis decently while bbeing a master at none..... It allows you to be slightly prepared for every engagement.. Where other suits are somewhat pigeon holed. But toe to toe? Which is largely what PC comes down to.... And Minmatar Assault is lacking... But damn the suit is fun... That is what is OP about it... People enjoy playing it.
yup, not OP just overused :P and downright awesome :P
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Echo 1991
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:43:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) I Have been a Min Assault since the launch of Uprising. While the suit has always offered speed and some fitting flexability... The Extra slot with Increased Powergrid, The Natural armor repair.. And the Minmatar Stamina regeneration... Which are all new has made the suit competitive... But what works better in an actualy competitive match? A Minmatar assault with 1000 Health total... Probably just under.. Or an Amarr Assault with 180 Shield and 1080 Armor and 3 damage mods on a SCR. Minmatar Assault only are prevalent in public matches simply because they cover all basis decently while bbeing a master at none..... It allows you to be slightly prepared for every engagement.. Where other suits are somewhat pigeon holed. But toe to toe? Which is largely what PC comes down to.... And Minmatar Assault is lacking... But damn the suit is fun... That is what is OP about it... People enjoy playing it.
I won't lie, at range an amarr assault will melt it, but up close? No frickin way. You would be able to run rings around the guy in the amarr suit and melt his armour. |
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:54:00 -
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Majority of things are pretty balanced now finally. the only things missing/need tweaking are
Gallente Forge gun (+10% to shields and proficiency vs shields)
FFS just fix the damn Laser - Its far too powerful vs Armour, due to the damage build up multiplier it completely negates any damage penalty vs armour and pretty sure actually ends up doing more damage to armour than shields. i use the templar laser with lv5 amarr assault and even with the slightly awkard pointing using DS3s analogues you can easily cut through a couple of suits once she's warmed up.
other than that dust is actually in a pretty good place atm, especially compared ot this time last year
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Fizzer XCIV
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:56:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:Majority of things are pretty balanced now finally. the only things missing/need tweaking are
Gallente Forge gun (+10% to shields and proficiency vs shields)
FFS just fix the damn Laser - Its far too powerful vs Armour, due to the damage build up multiplier it completely negates any damage penalty vs armour and pretty sure actually ends up doing more damage to armour than shields. i use the templar laser with lv5 amarr assault and even with the slightly awkard pointing using DS3s analogues you can easily cut through a couple of suits once she's warmed up.
other than that dust is actually in a pretty good place atm, especially compared ot this time last year
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No. That's just math. Laser Rifle is fine.
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:59:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Bethhy wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) I Have been a Min Assault since the launch of Uprising. While the suit has always offered speed and some fitting flexability... The Extra slot with Increased Powergrid, The Natural armor repair.. And the Minmatar Stamina regeneration... Which are all new has made the suit competitive... But what works better in an actualy competitive match? A Minmatar assault with 1000 Health total... Probably just under.. Or an Amarr Assault with 180 Shield and 1080 Armor and 3 damage mods on a SCR. Minmatar Assault only are prevalent in public matches simply because they cover all basis decently while bbeing a master at none..... It allows you to be slightly prepared for every engagement.. Where other suits are somewhat pigeon holed. But toe to toe? Which is largely what PC comes down to.... And Minmatar Assault is lacking... But damn the suit is fun... That is what is OP about it... People enjoy playing it. I won't lie, at range an amarr assault will melt it, but up close? No frickin way. You would be able to run rings around the guy in the amarr suit and melt his armour.
Unless that Amarr will have AScR.
You can outstarfe ScR. But AScR melts every Caldari and Minmatar suit. It fails hard vs gal and Amarr but that's not the point.
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Bethhy
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Posted - 2015.01.01 11:01:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:
I won't lie, at range an amarr assault will melt it, but up close? No frickin way. You would be able to run rings around the guy in the amarr suit and melt his armour.
Without me disagreeing with your assumption of a Minmatar Assault winning a CQC engagement vs an Amarr Assault with a SCR.
One has the advantage in medium to long range engagements.. The other in CQC..... That would be balanced under your assumptions? Just saying.
Minmatar aren't running weapons in majority that are melting 1000 armor on an assault suit... Even with larger clip sizes... there will have to be a reload in the middle somewhere for the kill. |
Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 11:06:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:
I won't lie, at range an amarr assault will melt it, but up close? No frickin way. You would be able to run rings around the guy in the amarr suit and melt his armour.
Without me disagreeing with your assumption of a Minmatar Assault winning a CQC engagement vs an Amarr Assault with a SCR. One has the advantage in medium to long range engagements.. The other in CQC..... That would be balanced under your assumptions? Just saying. Minmatar aren't running weapons in majority that are melting 1000 armor on an assault suit... Even with larger clip sizes... there will have to be a reload in the middle somewhere for the kill.
thats why SMGs are favored sidearms... why reload when you have 100 bullets waiting
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Echo 1991
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Posted - 2015.01.01 11:33:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:
I won't lie, at range an amarr assault will melt it, but up close? No frickin way. You would be able to run rings around the guy in the amarr suit and melt his armour.
Without me disagreeing with your assumption of a Minmatar Assault winning a CQC engagement vs an Amarr Assault with a SCR. One has the advantage in medium to long range engagements.. The other in CQC..... That would be balanced under your assumptions? Just saying. Minmatar aren't running weapons in majority that are melting 1000 armor on an assault suit... Even with larger clip sizes... there will have to be a reload in the middle somewhere for the kill.
I wouldn't have to reload and in PC, which has a large amount of enclosed areas, why would I want someone with a long range weapon?
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Posted - 2015.01.01 11:42:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Its a very disturbing trend i see on the forums, if something is FOTM then its clearly the most OP thing ever and needs nerfed right?
right now everyoens trying to come to the conclusion of what the FOTM is right now (seems to be settling on min--assault) but the hilarious part is that the min assault has ALWAYS been that good....
you guys are all suffering from confirmation bias, since its FOTM its used more oftin, and statistically it will kill you more oftin, that alone isnt confirmation of it being overpowered, it just means its overused.
OP and OU are not the same thing, but produce similar killfeed results.
OU means it doesnt matter what you do you will still die to it, simply because of how common it becomes.
OP means it has no available or realistic counter, or it focuses on an untintended unsupproted flaw in the game itself. or that it has an unndenyable advantage over all other counterparts.
also OP /= UP
just becuase something outperforms its counterparts doesnt mean its OP, it could iin fact mean that its counterpart is underpowered. like madrugars (nuff said)
True and this goes to the devs too. Read somewhere that a dev felt that the SCR rifle is underpowered because people aren't using it.
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Kalante Schiffer
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Posted - 2015.01.01 11:50:00 -
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min assault new fotm? lol, if you have no gun game that is. The only thing assault suits have going right now is their movement speed and noobs want to nerf that because they have zero idea of how to properly strafe.
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Posted - 2015.01.01 12:52:00 -
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Any assault scrambler rifle is the answer to min assault. Melts them. Perhaps not enough ASCR users?
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Posted - 2015.01.01 12:57:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it.
5% faster, wooooow big deal. |
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Posted - 2015.01.01 13:04:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
True and this goes to the devs too. Read somewhere that a dev felt that the SCR rifle is underpowered because people aren't using it.
Which seems like broken logic to me, could just be no one uses it because it actually requires skill to use. I'm not an SCR user it was just my immediate thought.
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benandjerrys
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Posted - 2015.01.01 14:16:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Its a very disturbing trend i see on the forums, if something is FOTM then its clearly the most OP thing ever and needs nerfed right?
right now everyoens trying to come to the conclusion of what the FOTM is right now (seems to be settling on min--assault) but the hilarious part is that the min assault has ALWAYS been that good....
you guys are all suffering from confirmation bias, since its FOTM its used more oftin, and statistically it will kill you more oftin, that alone isnt confirmation of it being overpowered, it just means its overused.
OP and OU are not the same thing, but produce similar killfeed results.
OU means it doesnt matter what you do you will still die to it, simply because of how common it becomes.
OP means it has no available or realistic counter, or it focuses on an untintended unsupproted flaw in the game itself. or that it has an unndenyable advantage over all other counterparts.
also OP /= UP
just becuase something outperforms its counterparts doesnt mean its OP, it could iin fact mean that its counterpart is underpowered. like madrugars (nuff said)
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:01:00 -
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As Kalente pointed out, the Min Assault is very noob friendly.
Personally, when I get back into Dust (after a long break) the first suit I play with is the Min Assault. It's just really good suit to get the feel of the game again
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All Gucci
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:28:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) I Have been a Min Assault since the launch of Uprising. While the suit has always offered speed and some fitting flexability... The Extra slot with Increased Powergrid, The Natural armor repair.. And the Minmatar Stamina regeneration... Which are all new has made the suit competitive... But what works better in an actualy competitive match? A Minmatar assault with 1000 Health total... Probably just under.. Or an Amarr Assault with 180 Shield and 1080 Armor and 3 damage mods on a SCR. Minmatar Assault only are prevalent in public matches simply because they cover all basis decently while bbeing a master at none..... It allows you to be slightly prepared for every engagement.. Where other suits are somewhat pigeon holed. But toe to toe? Which is largely what PC comes down to.... And Minmatar Assault is lacking... But damn the suit is fun... That is what is OP about it... People enjoy playing it.
No one runs there amarr assualt with 1000 ehp unless they have a logi on their back....which means your facing 2 people.... if he has 1000armor he has no regen and he is slower then dirt  I rarely see an AkO I can't handle... Idk why you people try to defend a suit you know is EZ mode requiring no skill or gun game just alooooooooooot of bullets and dancing...... alot of spraying and praying with no downside to spamming bullets and the ability to be a little girl when you see you are out gunned by an actaul player with gun game....congrats quite the skill you min player have thier... the suit sure is lacking
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Posted - 2015.01.01 18:16:00 -
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CR destroys armor in less than 3 seconds on a assault up to 50m away.
CR has a clip size of a SMG. 85 bullets? Why can't my ScR have that much?
CR literally has 0 recoil for it's Fire Rate. You would think with that 1000 RPM, they would have the kick for the gun be like the FAMAS in Battlefield or something ya know....
CR Fire rate is insanely too fast. Lower the clip size to a AR size instead of GTA Extended mags size.
Min-assault and Combat Rifle aren't nothing new that's OP. It's been OP but wasn't greater than scouts, till scouts have been put in their corner. (still need adjustments but they're better than they were).
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Atiim
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Posted - 2015.01.01 19:08:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:
It got a HP buff...
Which was at most 30 HP.
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 19:27:00 -
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i think its hilarious that a thread about how FOTM /= OP ends up having a bunch of people arguing about weather or not the min assault is OP.... i think you guys completly missed the point.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.01.01 20:12:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:CR destroys armor in less than 3 seconds on a assault up to 50m away.
CR has a clip size of a SMG. 85 bullets? Why can't my ScR have that much?
CR literally has 0 recoil for it's Fire Rate. You would think with that 1000 RPM, they would have the kick for the gun be like the FAMAS in Battlefield or something ya know....
Lower the clip size to a AR size instead of GTA Extended mags size.
Min-assault and Combat Rifle aren't nothing new that's OP. It's been OP but wasn't greater than scouts, till scouts have been put in their corner. (still need adjustments but they're better than they were). the ScR does not need 85 rounds to kill something.
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sir RAVEN WING
Kaalmayoti Warzone Control
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Posted - 2015.01.01 20:12:00 -
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The Min assault isn't OP, it can just dodge 200+ Bullets and run at the speed of scouts while having better HP.
The LR however... it's a long range shotgun. Instakills Caldari/Min and destroys Amarr/Gal
Speaking of SG, why does it do well against both kinds of defense (Shield and Armour) up to 15m away?
Kill Death Ratio is an invalid metric and thus should not be used to determine skill.
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Dreis Shadowweaver
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Posted - 2015.01.01 22:24:00 -
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Not all FOTM are OP, but all OP stuff is FOTM 
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Texas Killionaire
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.01 22:29:00 -
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That cal assault tho...
707.
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Posted - 2015.01.01 22:35:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:i think its hilarious that a thread about how FOTM /= OP ends up having a bunch of people arguing about weather or not the min assault is OP.... i think you guys completly missed the point.
Weather should not be a part of the conversation.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.02 00:08:00 -
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Most OP things tend to become FOTMs.
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Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.01.02 00:41:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:CR destroys armor in less than 3 seconds on a assault up to 50m away.
CR has a clip size of a SMG. 85 bullets? Why can't my ScR have that much?
CR literally has 0 recoil for it's Fire Rate. You would think with that 1000 RPM, they would have the kick for the gun be like the FAMAS in Battlefield or something ya know....
Lower the clip size to a AR size instead of GTA Extended mags size.
Min-assault and Combat Rifle aren't nothing new that's OP. It's been OP but wasn't greater than scouts, till scouts have been put in their corner. (still need adjustments but they're better than they were).
Meanwhile the SCR & LR destroys Shields in about 1s from 75m away. You can't have a magazine size of 85 rounds because that's an absurdly large DPC. But I
The CR does have recoil, but like the SCR it's only significant (read: noticeable) when in ADS. If you want to make the CR's magazine size 60, then be my guest.
Matari Assaults may be good, but their far from OP. No matter which way you build it (Armor, Shields, etc) there's a weapon that's effective and viable against them, and they still have disadvantages like every other frame.
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Starlight Burner
ROGUE RELICS
VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.02 03:08:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:CR destroys armor in less than 3 seconds on a assault up to 50m away.
CR has a clip size of a SMG. 85 bullets? Why can't my ScR have that much?
CR literally has 0 recoil for it's Fire Rate. You would think with that 1000 RPM, they would have the kick for the gun be like the FAMAS in Battlefield or something ya know....
Lower the clip size to a AR size instead of GTA Extended mags size.
Min-assault and Combat Rifle aren't nothing new that's OP. It's been OP but wasn't greater than scouts, till scouts have been put in their corner. (still need adjustments but they're better than they were). Meanwhile the SCR & LR destroys Shields in about 1s from 75m away. You can't have a magazine size of 85 rounds because that's an absurdly large DPC. But I The CR does have recoil, but like the SCR it's only significant (read: noticeable) when in ADS. If you want to make the CR's magazine size 60, then be my guest. Matari Assaults may be good, but their far from OP. No matter which way you build it (Armor, Shields, etc) there's a weapon that's effective and viable against them, and they still have disadvantages like every other frame.
I'll agree with most of your post.
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.02 15:40:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Most OP things tend to become FOTMs.
hilariously enough the most OP things NEVER end up FOTM
people are slow on picking up broken mechanics, it took a year before people figured out how awesome remote explosives are and by then they were already nerfed.
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.01.02 15:57:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Its a very disturbing trend i see on the forums, if something is FOTM then its clearly the most OP thing ever and needs nerfed right?
right now everyoens trying to come to the conclusion of what the FOTM is right now (seems to be settling on min--assault) but the hilarious part is that the min assault has ALWAYS been that good....
About over a month ago i was already testing it and posting wonders about the suit here in the forums.
With my 750+ EHP , 10.4 Sprint speed , double tanked Mk.0 fits....
Nothing has changed since then, except a lot more Keyboard and Mouse users abusing the strafing speeds of the suit....
Which is truly what is broken.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2015.01.02 16:39:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Its a very disturbing trend i see on the forums, if something is FOTM then its clearly the most OP thing ever and needs nerfed right?
right now everyoens trying to come to the conclusion of what the FOTM is right now (seems to be settling on min--assault) but the hilarious part is that the min assault has ALWAYS been that good....
About over a month ago i was already testing it and posting wonders about the suit here in the forums. With my 750+ EHP , 10.4 Sprint speed , double tanked Mk.0 fits.... Nothing has changed since then, except a lot more Keyboard and Mouse users abusing the strafing speeds of the suit....Which is truly what is broken.
wich makes super strafing OP not the minmatar assault :P
minnie assault is just the most popular platform for superr strafeing rght now, and with that popularity people who ARNT using KB/M will jump on the bandwagon because they dont understand what its being used for, futher reinforcing the MinAss=OP assumption.
so super strafing = OP
Minassault = Overused.
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DUST University
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Posted - 2015.01.02 16:53:00 -
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Atiim wrote:and they still have disadvantages like every other frame.
somehow I dont see that "disadvantage". the suits stat differences after fully fit are in the range of a few % unless it is something very specific like stacking kincats/damps etc... that is why I am always laughing at the incompetence of some people claiming that minmatar has super "OP" strafe when the strafe speed of caldari or gallante with ferros is only ~5% slower, you wont even notice the difference.
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Posted - 2015.01.02 16:56:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity)
No.
Before it had 5/2 slots. You could stack shields, but you always had **** armour. It's the FotM now because it has 4/4 slots. Everyone wants 4/4 slots, you can fit 800-900 hybrid hp with no movement penalty.
It's OP now compared to what it was. And that is why it's FotM.
Yes it was always fast, but it also didn't have armour to protect it against Scramblers and ARs which balanced it out. Now it has everything and is really obviously OP.
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.02 17:24:00 -
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VikingKong iBUN wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) No. Before it had 5/2 slots. You could stack shields, but you always had **** armour. It's the FotM now because it has 4/4 slots. Everyone wants 4/4 slots, you can fit 800-900 hybrid hp with no movement penalty. It's OP now compared to what it was. And that is why it's FotM. Yes it was always fast, but it also didn't have armour to protect it against Scramblers and ARs which balanced it out. Now it has everything and is really obviously OP.
its FOTM because the top players use it to abuse KB/M super strafe mechanics, and those particular players dont even stack plates.
everyone sees them doing well and cant seem to hit them/win a fight and so they jump on the bandwagon while at the same time they dont have a clue as to WHY the top players are using that particular suit, so they use their own logic and come up with some dumb reason they "think" its OP without understanding why it was being used int he first place.
heres a hint, if you think the minassault is "OP" becuase of its current slot layout or the amount of armor you can pack onto it, then your simply wrong. its strength is that its currently the best suit to use with KB/M super strafing now surpassing teh cal scout now that its wallhacks dont privide enouhg advantage over the EHP difference you can get by using the min assault.
in short KM/B super strafing is OP, the minassault is just the currect vehicle for that mechanics abuse, basically because the cal scout no longer gets super wallhacks the next best choice was minassault, it has nothing to do with the slot layout and everything to do with a combination of available EHP and base strafe speed.
nerfing the min assault does absolutly nothing to this because the mechanic being abused isnt suit based, the KB/M super strafers will just jump to a new suit like they did when the cal scout got nerfed.
the FOTM hassnt changed, FOTM is still KB/M super strafing and has been that for quite a while, and nerfing the min assault will not change the FOTM to something that isnt KB/M super strafing.
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Aiwha Bait
Demonic Cowboys
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Posted - 2015.01.02 17:29:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. tell you the truth all the other assaults are better than the min assault at slaying. the suit is just very versatile.
It's because everything Minmatar is so godd*mn fast  That Min assault suit should *not* be as fast as it is. It's just as fast as the minmatar scout suit.
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2015.01.02 18:20:00 -
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FOTM has traditionally been the most OP thing in the game. Just because it isn't now doesn' t mean it hasn't always been.
Most, no, all of the people whining about the min assault now don't have a clue. The main points of contention seem to be its fast (duh, its minmatar) and it has 800 hp.
- eHP : Its still the lowest of every suit. My dual tanked minmatar assault suit has roughly that. My amarr assault however can rep at 15 hp per second, two damage mods and still has roughly 800 ehp.
- Speed: So it sfaster than the other assault suits, and? It is still slower than every scout suit, If you speed tank it, then you're going to be reliant on your shields, which the caldari do much better. Armor tank it, and you kiss that extra speed bye bye.
End of the day, it is a good suit coupled with a good bonus to the CR and submachine gun magazine size.
In a toe to toe fight it gets wrecked, Yet as a hit and run suit, its perfect.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2015.01.02 18:31:00 -
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If OP items aren't FotM, why do people tend to run the easiest items to kill in that reduce the liklihood of death?
Scouts weren't FotM til they became OP.
Min Assault may become FotM NOW because they didn't have the EWAR advantages 6 months ago they do now.
When people get competitive and want to win with the least amount of risk possible, those items are both OP AND FotM.
It happened with AR when they were the only rifles in town, it happened with CR and RR when they first came out, it happened with Scouts when they could tank enough to utilize their EWAR and out assault Assaults, it happened when heavies gained massive tank combined with reduced effectiveness of damage mods plus explosive resistance.
How you can convince yourself that a majority of people will not flock to the most OP items is beyond my comprehension.
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Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.01.02 19:03:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. tell you the truth all the other assaults are better than the min assault at slaying. the suit is just very versatile.
This. Nail on the head right there.
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.02 19:42:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:If OP items aren't FotM, why do people tend to run the easiest items to kill in that reduce the liklihood of death?
Scouts weren't FotM til they became OP.
Min Assault may become FotM NOW because they didn't have the EWAR advantages 6 months ago they do now.
When people get competitive and want to win with the least amount of risk possible, those items are both OP AND FotM.
It happened with AR when they were the only rifles in town, it happened with CR and RR when they first came out, it happened with Scouts when they could tank enough to utilize their EWAR and out assault Assaults, it happened when heavies gained massive tank combined with reduced effectiveness of damage mods plus explosive resistance.
How you can convince yourself that a majority of people will not flock to the most OP items is beyond my comprehension.
im not, im stating that people DO flock to what they PERCIEVE aas the most OP things...
im also stating that whats percieved as OP and what really is OP are almost always 2 different things.
min assault is so 2 months ago, theres a new powerhouse that outdoes it already its just that it will take the community at large 2 months to figure it out and follow suit.
everything FOTM is just whats out there for public consumption and is in no way reflective of whats ACTUALLY OP as those that figure this sort of thing out tend to keep those tricks in our back pockets to pull out only when needed as to not ruin our advantage.
things become FOTM when something really good suddenly becomes public knowledge, min assault is public knowledge right but for the wrong reasons so its likely going to get the min assault nerfed instead of the ACTUAL reason the min assault is so strong right now.
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Posted - 2015.01.02 20:02:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:
- ehP : Its still the lowest of every suit.
800 hp is the "NORM". it is in the range of armor tanked suits with 3 ferros and 2 reps with also have "only" 800 hp |
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Posted - 2015.01.02 20:23:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:Majority of things are pretty balanced now finally. the only things missing/need tweaking are
Gallente Forge gun (+10% to shields and proficiency vs shields)
FFS just fix the damn Laser - Its far too powerful vs Armour, due to the damage build up multiplier it completely negates any damage penalty vs armour and pretty sure actually ends up doing more damage to armour than shields. i use the templar laser with lv5 amarr assault and even with the slightly awkard pointing using DS3s analogues you can easily cut through a couple of suits once she's warmed up.
other than that dust is actually in a pretty good place atm, especially compared ot this time last year
Add the ScR to that fix. Both are extremely good against armor.
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2015.01.02 20:37:00 -
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If they put on that much tank, as you say, then why aren't they slower? When I tank a gal assault he's slow like cold butter. When you tank a min assault they still strafe in front of hmg's, and any other weapon with ease. It's the strafe that makes them invincible. Add ehp, and it's just even harder to kill.
Another question for the community. Why don't gallente have 4/4 slot layout? Their supposed to be all dual tank right? The gal sentinel lost their 1/4 layout so the amarr could "stick with the lore" as the armor tanker. Amarr assault is 3/5. CalDari is 5/3. Minmatar is 4/4. Gallente is.... 3/5 too? Wait a minute? That's not right is it?
The differences in the races benefits, slot layouts, and bonuses don't add up, and can be implemented many different ways. The gallente can still be armor based without having the Amarr slot layout. Isn't the min primary shield, but capable in armor tank? Why can't gallente, who are supposed to be dual tank, primary armor with shield tendencies? A 4/4 layout would make more sense since we now have the bonus to reps built in. We don't need 5 highs to achieve high armor reps anymore.
Oh you know I make sense 
The gal could be the hard min counter with a 4/4 layout, high armor regen, and shield weaponry. The min assault is definitely the gal hard counter with the combat rifle, ehp dual tank, and high speed right?
I love logic don't you?
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All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2015.01.03 04:04:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:VikingKong iBUN wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) No. Before it had 5/2 slots. You could stack shields, but you always had **** armour. It's the FotM now because it has 4/4 slots. Everyone wants 4/4 slots, you can fit 800-900 hybrid hp with no movement penalty. It's OP now compared to what it was. And that is why it's FotM. Yes it was always fast, but it also didn't have armour to protect it against Scramblers and ARs which balanced it out. Now it has everything and is really obviously OP. its FOTM because the top players use it to abuse KB/M super strafe mechanics, and those particular players dont even stack plates. everyone sees them doing well and cant seem to hit them/win a fight and so they jump on the bandwagon while at the same time they dont have a clue as to WHY the top players are using that particular suit, so they use their own logic and come up with some dumb reason they "think" its OP without understanding why it was being used int he first place. heres a hint, if you think the minassault is "OP" becuase of its current slot layout or the amount of armor you can pack onto it, then your simply wrong. its strength is that its currently the best suit to use with KB/M super strafing now surpassing teh cal scout now that its wallhacks dont privide enouhg advantage over the EHP difference you can get by using the min assault. in short KM/B super strafing is OP, the minassault is just the currect vehicle for that mechanics abuse, basically because the cal scout no longer gets super wallhacks the next best choice was minassault, it has nothing to do with the slot layout and everything to do with a combination of available EHP and base strafe speed. nerfing the min assault does absolutly nothing to this because the mechanic being abused isnt suit based, the KB/M super strafers will just jump to a new suit like they did when the cal scout got nerfed. the FOTM hassnt changed, FOTM is still KB/M super strafing and has been that for quite a while, and nerfing the min assault will not change the FOTM to something that isnt KB/M super strafing.
when they had the Turbo Controler/Scr issue they couldnt do anything about it so they nerfed the gun...... If they cant fix super strafing its nerf the suit, it makes sense to stay consistent
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Big Burns
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2015.01.03 04:17:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The longer it takes to find the FOTM the better.
Amen. And here I thought you guys were brain dead. Now go focus on the maps being too large. 
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.03 04:19:00 -
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We should have a log of FOTMs i want to see how it progresses
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.01.03 05:20:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:We should have a log of FOTMs i want to see how it progresses
Here is the chart showing all the nerfs and buffs from the start to today in DUST.
as you can clearly tell we have made tons of progress. |
Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.01.03 05:23:00 -
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Pretty accurate, been here since the beginning and for small turrets I can say the same exact thing now that I said back then.
Small Missile Launchers are too good at everything while Small Rails and Blasters suck in comparison to small Missile Launchers.
CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
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