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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:35:00 -
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Its a very disturbing trend i see on the forums, if something is FOTM then its clearly the most OP thing ever and needs nerfed right?
right now everyoens trying to come to the conclusion of what the FOTM is right now (seems to be settling on min--assault) but the hilarious part is that the min assault has ALWAYS been that good....
you guys are all suffering from confirmation bias, since its FOTM its used more oftin, and statistically it will kill you more oftin, that alone isnt confirmation of it being overpowered, it just means its overused.
OP and OU are not the same thing, but produce similar killfeed results.
OU means it doesnt matter what you do you will still die to it, simply because of how common it becomes.
OP means it has no available or realistic counter, or it focuses on an untintended unsupproted flaw in the game itself. or that it has an unndenyable advantage over all other counterparts.
also OP /= UP
just becuase something outperforms its counterparts doesnt mean its OP, it could iin fact mean that its counterpart is underpowered. like madrugars (nuff said)
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:47:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The longer it takes to find the FOTM the better.
caldari demo logi :P its a thing i swear
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:50:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it.
its ALWAYS been able to do that.....
whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP
(hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity)
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:54:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) It got a HP buff...
and yet still has less HP than everyone else :P
in order to say its OP now, you have to say it wasnt UP before... contrary to the popular opinion of the time.
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:25:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) It got a HP buff... and yet still has less HP than everyone else :P in order to say its OP now, you have to say it wasnt UP before... contrary to the popular opinion of the time. 39 HP difference for a .4 m/s speed buff. That HP difference is such a handicap 
thus proving FOTM /= OP
becuase minmatar assault has always been as good as it is now....and was concidered to be UP for so damn lonng... people even complained about the tiny buff as barely any difference (wich is true, but it diddnt need it and doesnt really make it any better anyways)
once upon a time minmatars versatility and utility was believed to be its weakesst aspect... now its the strongest without any change? yup FOTM /= OP, just means OU
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:31:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:"Was always that good"
It used to be 5 highs and 2 lows at proto, if I remember correctly. I wouldn't call that good... at least, not like 4/4 is.
it was :P, it was godlly at positional advantage, you always picked your fights and could always escape a gank with enough awareness.
few were aware of how good it was even then, and fewer ran it. but it has always been this good, even with the 5/2 layout
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:39:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) I Have been a Min Assault since the launch of Uprising. While the suit has always offered speed and some fitting flexability... The Extra slot with Increased Powergrid, The Natural armor repair.. And the Minmatar Stamina regeneration... Which are all new has made the suit competitive... But what works better in an actualy competitive match? A Minmatar assault with 1000 Health total... Probably just under.. Or an Amarr Assault with 180 Shield and 1080 Armor and 3 damage mods on a SCR. Minmatar Assault only are prevalent in public matches simply because they cover all basis decently while bbeing a master at none..... It allows you to be slightly prepared for every engagement.. Where other suits are somewhat pigeon holed. But toe to toe? Which is largely what PC comes down to.... And Minmatar Assault is lacking... But damn the suit is fun... That is what is OP about it... People enjoy playing it.
yup, not OP just overused :P and downright awesome :P
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Posted - 2015.01.01 11:06:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:
I won't lie, at range an amarr assault will melt it, but up close? No frickin way. You would be able to run rings around the guy in the amarr suit and melt his armour.
Without me disagreeing with your assumption of a Minmatar Assault winning a CQC engagement vs an Amarr Assault with a SCR. One has the advantage in medium to long range engagements.. The other in CQC..... That would be balanced under your assumptions? Just saying. Minmatar aren't running weapons in majority that are melting 1000 armor on an assault suit... Even with larger clip sizes... there will have to be a reload in the middle somewhere for the kill.
thats why SMGs are favored sidearms... why reload when you have 100 bullets waiting
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Posted - 2015.01.01 19:27:00 -
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i think its hilarious that a thread about how FOTM /= OP ends up having a bunch of people arguing about weather or not the min assault is OP.... i think you guys completly missed the point.
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Posted - 2015.01.02 15:40:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Most OP things tend to become FOTMs.
hilariously enough the most OP things NEVER end up FOTM
people are slow on picking up broken mechanics, it took a year before people figured out how awesome remote explosives are and by then they were already nerfed.
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Posted - 2015.01.02 16:39:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Its a very disturbing trend i see on the forums, if something is FOTM then its clearly the most OP thing ever and needs nerfed right?
right now everyoens trying to come to the conclusion of what the FOTM is right now (seems to be settling on min--assault) but the hilarious part is that the min assault has ALWAYS been that good....
About over a month ago i was already testing it and posting wonders about the suit here in the forums. With my 750+ EHP , 10.4 Sprint speed , double tanked Mk.0 fits.... Nothing has changed since then, except a lot more Keyboard and Mouse users abusing the strafing speeds of the suit....Which is truly what is broken.
wich makes super strafing OP not the minmatar assault :P
minnie assault is just the most popular platform for superr strafeing rght now, and with that popularity people who ARNT using KB/M will jump on the bandwagon because they dont understand what its being used for, futher reinforcing the MinAss=OP assumption.
so super strafing = OP
Minassault = Overused.
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Posted - 2015.01.02 17:24:00 -
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VikingKong iBUN wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) No. Before it had 5/2 slots. You could stack shields, but you always had **** armour. It's the FotM now because it has 4/4 slots. Everyone wants 4/4 slots, you can fit 800-900 hybrid hp with no movement penalty. It's OP now compared to what it was. And that is why it's FotM. Yes it was always fast, but it also didn't have armour to protect it against Scramblers and ARs which balanced it out. Now it has everything and is really obviously OP.
its FOTM because the top players use it to abuse KB/M super strafe mechanics, and those particular players dont even stack plates.
everyone sees them doing well and cant seem to hit them/win a fight and so they jump on the bandwagon while at the same time they dont have a clue as to WHY the top players are using that particular suit, so they use their own logic and come up with some dumb reason they "think" its OP without understanding why it was being used int he first place.
heres a hint, if you think the minassault is "OP" becuase of its current slot layout or the amount of armor you can pack onto it, then your simply wrong. its strength is that its currently the best suit to use with KB/M super strafing now surpassing teh cal scout now that its wallhacks dont privide enouhg advantage over the EHP difference you can get by using the min assault.
in short KM/B super strafing is OP, the minassault is just the currect vehicle for that mechanics abuse, basically because the cal scout no longer gets super wallhacks the next best choice was minassault, it has nothing to do with the slot layout and everything to do with a combination of available EHP and base strafe speed.
nerfing the min assault does absolutly nothing to this because the mechanic being abused isnt suit based, the KB/M super strafers will just jump to a new suit like they did when the cal scout got nerfed.
the FOTM hassnt changed, FOTM is still KB/M super strafing and has been that for quite a while, and nerfing the min assault will not change the FOTM to something that isnt KB/M super strafing.
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Posted - 2015.01.02 19:42:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:If OP items aren't FotM, why do people tend to run the easiest items to kill in that reduce the liklihood of death?
Scouts weren't FotM til they became OP.
Min Assault may become FotM NOW because they didn't have the EWAR advantages 6 months ago they do now.
When people get competitive and want to win with the least amount of risk possible, those items are both OP AND FotM.
It happened with AR when they were the only rifles in town, it happened with CR and RR when they first came out, it happened with Scouts when they could tank enough to utilize their EWAR and out assault Assaults, it happened when heavies gained massive tank combined with reduced effectiveness of damage mods plus explosive resistance.
How you can convince yourself that a majority of people will not flock to the most OP items is beyond my comprehension.
im not, im stating that people DO flock to what they PERCIEVE aas the most OP things...
im also stating that whats percieved as OP and what really is OP are almost always 2 different things.
min assault is so 2 months ago, theres a new powerhouse that outdoes it already its just that it will take the community at large 2 months to figure it out and follow suit.
everything FOTM is just whats out there for public consumption and is in no way reflective of whats ACTUALLY OP as those that figure this sort of thing out tend to keep those tricks in our back pockets to pull out only when needed as to not ruin our advantage.
things become FOTM when something really good suddenly becomes public knowledge, min assault is public knowledge right but for the wrong reasons so its likely going to get the min assault nerfed instead of the ACTUAL reason the min assault is so strong right now.
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