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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:35:00 -
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Its a very disturbing trend i see on the forums, if something is FOTM then its clearly the most OP thing ever and needs nerfed right?
right now everyoens trying to come to the conclusion of what the FOTM is right now (seems to be settling on min--assault) but the hilarious part is that the min assault has ALWAYS been that good....
you guys are all suffering from confirmation bias, since its FOTM its used more oftin, and statistically it will kill you more oftin, that alone isnt confirmation of it being overpowered, it just means its overused.
OP and OU are not the same thing, but produce similar killfeed results.
OU means it doesnt matter what you do you will still die to it, simply because of how common it becomes.
OP means it has no available or realistic counter, or it focuses on an untintended unsupproted flaw in the game itself. or that it has an unndenyable advantage over all other counterparts.
also OP /= UP
just becuase something outperforms its counterparts doesnt mean its OP, it could iin fact mean that its counterpart is underpowered. like madrugars (nuff said)
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:45:00 -
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The longer it takes to find the FOTM the better.
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:47:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The longer it takes to find the FOTM the better.
caldari demo logi :P its a thing i swear
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Jacques Cayton II
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:47:00 -
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The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it.
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:50:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it.
its ALWAYS been able to do that.....
whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP
(hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity)
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Echo 1991
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:51:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity)
It got a HP buff... |
Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:54:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) It got a HP buff...
and yet still has less HP than everyone else :P
in order to say its OP now, you have to say it wasnt UP before... contrary to the popular opinion of the time.
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CUSE TOWN333
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Posted - 2015.01.01 09:54:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. tell you the truth all the other assaults are better than the min assault at slaying. the suit is just very versatile.
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:01:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. tell you the truth all the other assaults are better than the min assault at slaying. the suit is just very versatile.
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:17:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) It got a HP buff... and yet still has less HP than everyone else :P in order to say its OP now, you have to say it wasnt UP before... contrary to the popular opinion of the time.
39 HP difference for a .4 m/s speed buff. That HP difference is such a handicap 
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:25:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) It got a HP buff... and yet still has less HP than everyone else :P in order to say its OP now, you have to say it wasnt UP before... contrary to the popular opinion of the time. 39 HP difference for a .4 m/s speed buff. That HP difference is such a handicap
thus proving FOTM /= OP
becuase minmatar assault has always been as good as it is now....and was concidered to be UP for so damn lonng... people even complained about the tiny buff as barely any difference (wich is true, but it diddnt need it and doesnt really make it any better anyways)
once upon a time minmatars versatility and utility was believed to be its weakesst aspect... now its the strongest without any change? yup FOTM /= OP, just means OU
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Joel II X
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:28:00 -
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"Was always that good"
It used to be 5 highs and 2 lows at proto, if I remember correctly. I wouldn't call that good... at least, not like 4/4 is. |
Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:31:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:"Was always that good"
It used to be 5 highs and 2 lows at proto, if I remember correctly. I wouldn't call that good... at least, not like 4/4 is.
it was :P, it was godlly at positional advantage, you always picked your fights and could always escape a gank with enough awareness.
few were aware of how good it was even then, and fewer ran it. but it has always been this good, even with the 5/2 layout
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:36:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity)
I Have been a Min Assault since the launch of Uprising.
While the suit has always offered speed and some fitting flexability...
The Extra slot with Increased Powergrid, The Natural armor repair.. And the Minmatar Stamina regeneration... Which are all new has made the suit competitive...
But what works better in an actualy competitive match? A Minmatar assault with 1000 Health total... Probably just under..
Or an Amarr Assault with 180 Shield and 1080 Armor and 3 damage mods on a SCR.
Minmatar Assault only are prevalent in public matches simply because they cover all basis decently while bbeing a master at none..... It allows you to be slightly prepared for every engagement.. Where other suits are somewhat pigeon holed.
But toe to toe? Which is largely what PC comes down to.... And Minmatar Assault is lacking...
But damn the suit is fun... That is what is OP about it... People enjoy playing it. |
Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:39:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) I Have been a Min Assault since the launch of Uprising. While the suit has always offered speed and some fitting flexability... The Extra slot with Increased Powergrid, The Natural armor repair.. And the Minmatar Stamina regeneration... Which are all new has made the suit competitive... But what works better in an actualy competitive match? A Minmatar assault with 1000 Health total... Probably just under.. Or an Amarr Assault with 180 Shield and 1080 Armor and 3 damage mods on a SCR. Minmatar Assault only are prevalent in public matches simply because they cover all basis decently while bbeing a master at none..... It allows you to be slightly prepared for every engagement.. Where other suits are somewhat pigeon holed. But toe to toe? Which is largely what PC comes down to.... And Minmatar Assault is lacking... But damn the suit is fun... That is what is OP about it... People enjoy playing it.
yup, not OP just overused :P and downright awesome :P
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:43:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) I Have been a Min Assault since the launch of Uprising. While the suit has always offered speed and some fitting flexability... The Extra slot with Increased Powergrid, The Natural armor repair.. And the Minmatar Stamina regeneration... Which are all new has made the suit competitive... But what works better in an actualy competitive match? A Minmatar assault with 1000 Health total... Probably just under.. Or an Amarr Assault with 180 Shield and 1080 Armor and 3 damage mods on a SCR. Minmatar Assault only are prevalent in public matches simply because they cover all basis decently while bbeing a master at none..... It allows you to be slightly prepared for every engagement.. Where other suits are somewhat pigeon holed. But toe to toe? Which is largely what PC comes down to.... And Minmatar Assault is lacking... But damn the suit is fun... That is what is OP about it... People enjoy playing it.
I won't lie, at range an amarr assault will melt it, but up close? No frickin way. You would be able to run rings around the guy in the amarr suit and melt his armour. |
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:54:00 -
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Majority of things are pretty balanced now finally. the only things missing/need tweaking are
Gallente Forge gun (+10% to shields and proficiency vs shields)
FFS just fix the damn Laser - Its far too powerful vs Armour, due to the damage build up multiplier it completely negates any damage penalty vs armour and pretty sure actually ends up doing more damage to armour than shields. i use the templar laser with lv5 amarr assault and even with the slightly awkard pointing using DS3s analogues you can easily cut through a couple of suits once she's warmed up.
other than that dust is actually in a pretty good place atm, especially compared ot this time last year
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Fizzer XCIV
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:56:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:Majority of things are pretty balanced now finally. the only things missing/need tweaking are
Gallente Forge gun (+10% to shields and proficiency vs shields)
FFS just fix the damn Laser - Its far too powerful vs Armour, due to the damage build up multiplier it completely negates any damage penalty vs armour and pretty sure actually ends up doing more damage to armour than shields. i use the templar laser with lv5 amarr assault and even with the slightly awkard pointing using DS3s analogues you can easily cut through a couple of suits once she's warmed up.
other than that dust is actually in a pretty good place atm, especially compared ot this time last year
Forge Gun is Caldari.
No. That's just math. Laser Rifle is fine.
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Mejt0
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Posted - 2015.01.01 10:59:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Bethhy wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) I Have been a Min Assault since the launch of Uprising. While the suit has always offered speed and some fitting flexability... The Extra slot with Increased Powergrid, The Natural armor repair.. And the Minmatar Stamina regeneration... Which are all new has made the suit competitive... But what works better in an actualy competitive match? A Minmatar assault with 1000 Health total... Probably just under.. Or an Amarr Assault with 180 Shield and 1080 Armor and 3 damage mods on a SCR. Minmatar Assault only are prevalent in public matches simply because they cover all basis decently while bbeing a master at none..... It allows you to be slightly prepared for every engagement.. Where other suits are somewhat pigeon holed. But toe to toe? Which is largely what PC comes down to.... And Minmatar Assault is lacking... But damn the suit is fun... That is what is OP about it... People enjoy playing it. I won't lie, at range an amarr assault will melt it, but up close? No frickin way. You would be able to run rings around the guy in the amarr suit and melt his armour.
Unless that Amarr will have AScR.
You can outstarfe ScR. But AScR melts every Caldari and Minmatar suit. It fails hard vs gal and Amarr but that's not the point.
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Bethhy
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Posted - 2015.01.01 11:01:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:
I won't lie, at range an amarr assault will melt it, but up close? No frickin way. You would be able to run rings around the guy in the amarr suit and melt his armour.
Without me disagreeing with your assumption of a Minmatar Assault winning a CQC engagement vs an Amarr Assault with a SCR.
One has the advantage in medium to long range engagements.. The other in CQC..... That would be balanced under your assumptions? Just saying.
Minmatar aren't running weapons in majority that are melting 1000 armor on an assault suit... Even with larger clip sizes... there will have to be a reload in the middle somewhere for the kill. |
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2015.01.01 11:06:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:
I won't lie, at range an amarr assault will melt it, but up close? No frickin way. You would be able to run rings around the guy in the amarr suit and melt his armour.
Without me disagreeing with your assumption of a Minmatar Assault winning a CQC engagement vs an Amarr Assault with a SCR. One has the advantage in medium to long range engagements.. The other in CQC..... That would be balanced under your assumptions? Just saying. Minmatar aren't running weapons in majority that are melting 1000 armor on an assault suit... Even with larger clip sizes... there will have to be a reload in the middle somewhere for the kill.
thats why SMGs are favored sidearms... why reload when you have 100 bullets waiting
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
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Posted - 2015.01.01 11:33:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:
I won't lie, at range an amarr assault will melt it, but up close? No frickin way. You would be able to run rings around the guy in the amarr suit and melt his armour.
Without me disagreeing with your assumption of a Minmatar Assault winning a CQC engagement vs an Amarr Assault with a SCR. One has the advantage in medium to long range engagements.. The other in CQC..... That would be balanced under your assumptions? Just saying. Minmatar aren't running weapons in majority that are melting 1000 armor on an assault suit... Even with larger clip sizes... there will have to be a reload in the middle somewhere for the kill.
I wouldn't have to reload and in PC, which has a large amount of enclosed areas, why would I want someone with a long range weapon?
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2015.01.01 11:42:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Its a very disturbing trend i see on the forums, if something is FOTM then its clearly the most OP thing ever and needs nerfed right?
right now everyoens trying to come to the conclusion of what the FOTM is right now (seems to be settling on min--assault) but the hilarious part is that the min assault has ALWAYS been that good....
you guys are all suffering from confirmation bias, since its FOTM its used more oftin, and statistically it will kill you more oftin, that alone isnt confirmation of it being overpowered, it just means its overused.
OP and OU are not the same thing, but produce similar killfeed results.
OU means it doesnt matter what you do you will still die to it, simply because of how common it becomes.
OP means it has no available or realistic counter, or it focuses on an untintended unsupproted flaw in the game itself. or that it has an unndenyable advantage over all other counterparts.
also OP /= UP
just becuase something outperforms its counterparts doesnt mean its OP, it could iin fact mean that its counterpart is underpowered. like madrugars (nuff said)
True and this goes to the devs too. Read somewhere that a dev felt that the SCR rifle is underpowered because people aren't using it.
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Kalante Schiffer
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Posted - 2015.01.01 11:50:00 -
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min assault new fotm? lol, if you have no gun game that is. The only thing assault suits have going right now is their movement speed and noobs want to nerf that because they have zero idea of how to properly strafe.
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Clone D
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Posted - 2015.01.01 12:52:00 -
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Any assault scrambler rifle is the answer to min assault. Melts them. Perhaps not enough ASCR users?
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Jack McReady
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Posted - 2015.01.01 12:57:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it.
5% faster, wooooow big deal. |
Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
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Posted - 2015.01.01 13:04:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
True and this goes to the devs too. Read somewhere that a dev felt that the SCR rifle is underpowered because people aren't using it.
Which seems like broken logic to me, could just be no one uses it because it actually requires skill to use. I'm not an SCR user it was just my immediate thought.
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benandjerrys
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Posted - 2015.01.01 14:16:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Its a very disturbing trend i see on the forums, if something is FOTM then its clearly the most OP thing ever and needs nerfed right?
right now everyoens trying to come to the conclusion of what the FOTM is right now (seems to be settling on min--assault) but the hilarious part is that the min assault has ALWAYS been that good....
you guys are all suffering from confirmation bias, since its FOTM its used more oftin, and statistically it will kill you more oftin, that alone isnt confirmation of it being overpowered, it just means its overused.
OP and OU are not the same thing, but produce similar killfeed results.
OU means it doesnt matter what you do you will still die to it, simply because of how common it becomes.
OP means it has no available or realistic counter, or it focuses on an untintended unsupproted flaw in the game itself. or that it has an unndenyable advantage over all other counterparts.
also OP /= UP
just becuase something outperforms its counterparts doesnt mean its OP, it could iin fact mean that its counterpart is underpowered. like madrugars (nuff said)
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ReGnYuM
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EoN.
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:01:00 -
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As Kalente pointed out, the Min Assault is very noob friendly.
Personally, when I get back into Dust (after a long break) the first suit I play with is the Min Assault. It's just really good suit to get the feel of the game again
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All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:28:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jacques Cayton II wrote:The min assault is fast. Its to fast for how much hp you can put on it. its ALWAYS been able to do that..... whats changed that makes it OP now VS 6 months ago when it was widely reguarded as UP (hint: the answer is nothign at all, its always been bale to do this, the only thing thats changed is public opinion and popularity) I Have been a Min Assault since the launch of Uprising. While the suit has always offered speed and some fitting flexability... The Extra slot with Increased Powergrid, The Natural armor repair.. And the Minmatar Stamina regeneration... Which are all new has made the suit competitive... But what works better in an actualy competitive match? A Minmatar assault with 1000 Health total... Probably just under.. Or an Amarr Assault with 180 Shield and 1080 Armor and 3 damage mods on a SCR. Minmatar Assault only are prevalent in public matches simply because they cover all basis decently while bbeing a master at none..... It allows you to be slightly prepared for every engagement.. Where other suits are somewhat pigeon holed. But toe to toe? Which is largely what PC comes down to.... And Minmatar Assault is lacking... But damn the suit is fun... That is what is OP about it... People enjoy playing it.
No one runs there amarr assualt with 1000 ehp unless they have a logi on their back....which means your facing 2 people.... if he has 1000armor he has no regen and he is slower then dirt  I rarely see an AkO I can't handle... Idk why you people try to defend a suit you know is EZ mode requiring no skill or gun game just alooooooooooot of bullets and dancing...... alot of spraying and praying with no downside to spamming bullets and the ability to be a little girl when you see you are out gunned by an actaul player with gun game....congrats quite the skill you min player have thier... the suit sure is lacking
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