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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1625
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Posted - 2015.01.01 15:00:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:
The prelevance of this tactic in pubs and the subsequent whining about it, shows that the matchmaking system still needs refining.
^^^^^^ This ... I said it myself , instead of talking about the rep tool ... let's talk about this but without it being here and now .
Don't wanna dis the OP .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Omega Black Zero
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2015.01.01 15:11:00 -
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Another terrible idea on the forums. It's just a butt hurt response to a lack of formulated tactics on behalf of OP. |
shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
3547
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Posted - 2015.01.01 15:14:00 -
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Why look at a teamwork mechanic which is perfectly fine and not look at the real problem which is amarr/gallente heavy with 1000+ armor + resistances?
Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
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manboar thunder fist
Dead Man's Game RUST415
346
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Posted - 2015.01.01 15:35:00 -
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Personally I feel that if the capacitor reaches its limit It should overheat like an amarr gun.
On the other hand, logos are force multipliers, and that 1 heavy is intact 3 people working together, they are giving up the hp tank and damage potential of three heavies for the long term survivability of one heavy, seems a fine trade off imo.
"If there is a strafe nerf in this game, remove hit detection"- manboar 2014
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1625
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Posted - 2015.01.01 15:37:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Why look at a teamwork mechanic which is perfectly fine and not look at the real problem which is amarr/gallente heavy with 1000+ armor + resistances? Because you can use the weapon that their not resistant against and have no prob taking them out , I don't use RE's but the did help but the change will now cause people to think about what their doing instead of having multiple grenades .
That was a grenade buff that got nerfed .
About time .
I don't think any change is needed to Sentinel's .
Yes they have their strength's but they have weaknesses as well .
People need to stop being lazy and start playing , hell half the time the people complaining run in squads .
You have help and as a solo player ... if anything we should complain but I see few that do and that's great in my mind .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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ReGnYuM
Red Star. EoN.
3401
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Posted - 2015.01.01 16:06:00 -
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You Logi scum make me sick. You make it seem like you're making this huge grand sacrifice to ensure the survival of the Heavy suit, when you're basically farming WP for holding R1.
The fact that repping is valued more then actual killing in a ambush game mode is the definition of broken.
Going 0/4 and keeping one HMG Heavy alive =/= someone going 24-4 in ambush. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game RUST415
1844
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Posted - 2015.01.01 16:21:00 -
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its been working that way since day 1. how can it ever be considered abuse if its always been like that. there is nothing wrong with repairing through damage. weapons always do more damage than a repair tool fixes.
its not the repair tool repairing through damage. its solo going against team work. solo should fail in that scenario. take a friend to even the odds.
All Hail Legion
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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
759
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Posted - 2015.01.01 16:37:00 -
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Ydubbs81 wrote:I think this mechanic allows for so much abuse. Amarr heavies with 1200hp+ with resistance to weapons coupled with (sometimes) 2 logis repping them at once. Someone, somewhere has to believe that there is something wrong with this, no? This game is supposed to be based on skill, right?
At first, it seemed ok but players started abusing it and something just didn't feel right about that mechanic. Especially when there is nothing like that for shield infantry (esp. heavies)
I'm thinking that the rep tool should be at 100% efficiency when the person is not taking any damage. And then perhaps 50% efficiency when the person is taking damage (for the people who want to continue to abuse this) Now that's a simple and fair solution to this.
10100111001
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Orion Sanjeet
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
249
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:03:00 -
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Ydubbs81 wrote:I think this mechanic allows for so much abuse. Amarr heavies with 1200hp+ with resistance to weapons coupled with (sometimes) 2 logis repping them at once. Someone, somewhere has to believe that there is something wrong with this, no? This game is supposed to be based on skill, right?
At first, it seemed ok but players started abusing it and something just didn't feel right about that mechanic. Especially when there is nothing like that for shield infantry (esp. heavies)
I'm thinking that the rep tool should be at 100% efficiency when the person is not taking any damage. And then perhaps 50% efficiency when the person is taking damage (for the people who want to continue to abuse this)
Says the guy who's squad runs full proto against low level randoms. "This game is supposed to be based on skill, right?" I keep running in to you on my alt and that is always the case. Quit bitching about the rock being effective against your scissors, ya proto cal assault with your six kin assault combat rifle. You still lose to randoms cause your full proto squad can't hold objectives against randoms.
Ebola makes me feel all warm and squishy inside.
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Orion Sanjeet
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
249
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:06:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:You Logi scum make me sick. You make it seem like you're making this huge grand sacrifice to ensure the survival of the Heavy suit, when you're basically farming WP for holding R1.
The fact that repping is valued more then actual killing in a ambush game mode is the definition of broken.
Going 0/4 and keeping one HMG Heavy alive =/= someone going 24-4 in ambush.
So Reg, what's the fotm? Oh wait, I can find out the next time I see you.
Ebola makes me feel all warm and squishy inside.
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1711
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:14:00 -
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this thread makes me laugh.
any weapon in game doe more than enough damage to outperform a repair by atleast a factor of 4. a logi repairing also means 1 guy less shooting.
simple, aim better to not waste the dps or kill the logi. |
ReGnYuM
Red Star. EoN.
3401
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:18:00 -
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Orion Sanjeet wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:You Logi scum make me sick. You make it seem like you're making this huge grand sacrifice to ensure the survival of the Heavy suit, when you're basically farming WP for holding R1.
The fact that repping is valued more then actual killing in a ambush game mode is the definition of broken.
Going 0/4 and keeping one HMG Heavy alive =/= someone going 24-4 in ambush. So Reg, what's the fotm? Oh wait, I can find out the next time I see you.
Its not the Suit bro, its the thumbs |
Orion Sanjeet
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
249
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:22:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Orion Sanjeet wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:You Logi scum make me sick. You make it seem like you're making this huge grand sacrifice to ensure the survival of the Heavy suit, when you're basically farming WP for holding R1.
The fact that repping is valued more then actual killing in a ambush game mode is the definition of broken.
Going 0/4 and keeping one HMG Heavy alive =/= someone going 24-4 in ambush. So Reg, what's the fotm? Oh wait, I can find out the next time I see you. Its not the Suit bro, its the thumbs
Agreed, you are a bit of a freak of nature, but, if we got to look at your fitting it would be a who's who of what is currently OP.
Ebola makes me feel all warm and squishy inside.
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ReGnYuM
Red Star. EoN.
3402
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:40:00 -
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Orion Sanjeet wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Orion Sanjeet wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:You Logi scum make me sick. You make it seem like you're making this huge grand sacrifice to ensure the survival of the Heavy suit, when you're basically farming WP for holding R1.
The fact that repping is valued more then actual killing in a ambush game mode is the definition of broken.
Going 0/4 and keeping one HMG Heavy alive =/= someone going 24-4 in ambush. So Reg, what's the fotm? Oh wait, I can find out the next time I see you. Its not the Suit bro, its the thumbs Agreed, you are a bit of a freak of nature, but, if we got to look at your fitting it would be a who's who of what is currently OP.
IDK man, I have always been an assault Fanboi. Granted, during 1.8 of ScoutRising I did switch over to the scout suits. Mainly due to the fact that assault suits became obsolete and scout frames became really good assault suits .
Throughout my career I like to think I have sided more with the Assault and Assault rifle for better or worse |
7th Son 7
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:42:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:7th Son 7 wrote:Ydubbs81 wrote:I think this mechanic allows for so much abuse. Amarr heavies with 1200hp+ with resistance to weapons coupled with (sometimes) 2 logis repping them at once. Someone, somewhere has to believe that there is something wrong with this, no? This game is supposed to be based on skill, right?
At first, it seemed ok but players started abusing it and something just didn't feel right about that mechanic. Especially when there is nothing like that for shield infantry (esp. heavies)
I'm thinking that the rep tool should be at 100% efficiency when the person is not taking any damage. And then perhaps 50% efficiency when the person is taking damage (for the people who want to continue to abuse this) squad up with some good people and fight fire with fire! this is Dust bro that's right, I'm new here. You have anymore pro tips?
not trying to offend you, i've been around since beta also(started w/my Stonewall character). Your basically saying cause you can't kill 3-4 people Alone to buff logis or sentinals and I disagree |
Indy Strizer
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
236
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Posted - 2015.01.01 17:45:00 -
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Nope. |
Operative 1174 Uuali
Y.A.M.A.H
209
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Posted - 2015.01.01 18:12:00 -
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Ydubbs81 wrote:I think this mechanic allows for so much abuse. Amarr heavies with 1200hp+ with resistance to weapons coupled with (sometimes) 2 logis repping them at once. Someone, somewhere has to believe that there is something wrong with this, no? This game is supposed to be based on skill, right?
At first, it seemed ok but players started abusing it and something just didn't feel right about that mechanic. Especially when there is nothing like that for shield infantry (esp. heavies)
I'm thinking that the rep tool should be at 100% efficiency when the person is not taking any damage. And then perhaps 50% efficiency when the person is taking damage (for the people who want to continue to abuse this)
Also, only one rep tool at a time fellas.
I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3570
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Posted - 2015.01.01 19:01:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:You Logi scum make me sick. You make it seem like you're making this huge grand sacrifice to ensure the survival of the Heavy suit, when you're basically farming WP for holding R1.
The fact that repping is valued more then actual killing in a ambush game mode is the definition of broken.
Going 0/4 and keeping one HMG Heavy alive =/= someone going 24-4 in ambush.
1 Logi Greater than 1 Slayer.
Slayer goes 24/4, good job well done, thank you for the contribution.
Logi Revives 30 People (my personal best) - saving millions of peoples ISK in the process. That Logi has now outperformed that Slayer by 6 lives (+30 to team force strength)
Logi heals 45 People from > 20% eHP - saving millions of peoples ISK in the process. That Logi has now made each of those people he has healed worth 2 times their forcestrength (+45 to team force strength)
Logi provides ammo to 25 people allowing to fight harder and longer, also reduces suiciding for more ammo. (+25 to team force strength)
Logi Provides Intel Support allowing friendlies to fight smarter and pick fights, increasing their effectiveness 10 fold (+150 to team force strength)
So in total Slayer -4 to team force strength -24 to enemy force strength (not accounting for revives on other team) Logi -4 to team force strength +250 to team force strength
I'd say that logi made a hell of a lot more a contribution than yourself, sitting in a corner shooting people as they walk past. You never if you got a logi you might go 80-4 or 30-0. The fact you don't appreciate the usefulness of a support role tells me everything I need to know, go back to your hole ReG we will ask for your opinion when it comes to more brute force forms of balance.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
610
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Posted - 2015.01.01 19:28:00 -
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yes, next question plz
Thr33 is the magic number.
no hope.
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ReGnYuM
Red Star. EoN.
3404
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Posted - 2015.01.01 19:47:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:You Logi scum make me sick. You make it seem like you're making this huge grand sacrifice to ensure the survival of the Heavy suit, when you're basically farming WP for holding R1.
The fact that repping is valued more then actual killing in a ambush game mode is the definition of broken.
Going 0/4 and keeping one HMG Heavy alive =/= someone going 24-4 in ambush. 1 Logi Greater than 1 Slayer. Slayer goes 24/4, good job well done, thank you for the contribution. Logi Revives 30 People (my personal best) - saving millions of peoples ISK in the process. That Logi has now outperformed that Slayer by 6 lives (+30 to team force strength) Logi heals 45 People from > 20% eHP - saving millions of peoples ISK in the process. That Logi has now made each of those people he has healed worth 2 times their forcestrength (+45 to team force strength) Logi provides ammo to 25 people allowing to fight harder and longer, also reduces suiciding for more ammo. (+25 to team force strength) Logi Provides Intel Support allowing friendlies to fight smarter and pick fights, increasing their effectiveness 10 fold (+150 to team force strength) So in total Slayer -4 to team force strength -24 to enemy force strength (not accounting for revives on other team) Logi -4 to team force strength +250 to team force strength I'd say that logi made a hell of a lot more a contribution than yourself, sitting in a corner shooting people as they walk past. You never if you got a logi you might go 80-4 or 30-0. The fact you don't appreciate the usefulness of a support role tells me everything I need to know, go back to your hole ReG we will ask for your opinion when it comes to more brute force forms of balance. How about you save your pseudoscience for another logi who needs the false sense of accomplishment and worth on a video game.
I treat Logibro's with the same respect as a doormat. You wipe your feet with it, and then forget it ever existed. |
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P14GU3
Savage Bullet
994
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Posted - 2015.01.01 19:55:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:dent 308 wrote:The scenario you propose is indeed possible, but in operation is easily broken. I don't see any need for additional mechanics in this system. "easily broken"...how would you easily defeat a heavy with two logis or two heavies with four logis on an objective? Shoot the logi? Lol come the **** on people. Logis are worse than any other suit in the game besides the commando, easily killable.
I didnt read anything past this comment. Im sure its just more hate for logis anyway. I used to have a lot of respect for you dubbs, but this **** has gotten ridiculous. EVERY slayer class has gotten massive buffs lately, while the logi has only been nerfed, and somehow they still end up complaining about the support class "being too good."
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3571
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Posted - 2015.01.01 23:42:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:You Logi scum make me sick. You make it seem like you're making this huge grand sacrifice to ensure the survival of the Heavy suit, when you're basically farming WP for holding R1.
The fact that repping is valued more then actual killing in a ambush game mode is the definition of broken.
Going 0/4 and keeping one HMG Heavy alive =/= someone going 24-4 in ambush. 1 Logi Greater than 1 Slayer. Slayer goes 24/4, good job well done, thank you for the contribution. Logi Revives 30 People (my personal best) - saving millions of peoples ISK in the process. That Logi has now outperformed that Slayer by 6 lives (+30 to team force strength) Logi heals 45 People from > 20% eHP - saving millions of peoples ISK in the process. That Logi has now made each of those people he has healed worth 2 times their forcestrength (+45 to team force strength) Logi provides ammo to 25 people allowing to fight harder and longer, also reduces suiciding for more ammo. (+25 to team force strength) Logi Provides Intel Support allowing friendlies to fight smarter and pick fights, increasing their effectiveness 10 fold (+150 to team force strength) So in total Slayer -4 to team force strength -24 to enemy force strength (not accounting for revives on other team) Logi -4 to team force strength +250 to team force strength I'd say that logi made a hell of a lot more a contribution than yourself, sitting in a corner shooting people as they walk past. You never if you got a logi you might go 80-4 or 30-0. The fact you don't appreciate the usefulness of a support role tells me everything I need to know, go back to your hole ReG we will ask for your opinion when it comes to more brute force forms of balance. How about you save your pseudoscience for another logi who needs the false sense of accomplishment and worth on a video game. I treat Logibro's with the same respect as a doormat. You wipe your feet with it, and then forget it ever existed.
Exactly why your attitude is bad for this game your nought but cannon fodder, but people still give you the time of day. Your nothing but a meat shield and yet people want to ensure its a viable playstyle.
You disgust me, I wouldn't even bother wiping my feet with you.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Timtron Victory
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
170
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Posted - 2015.01.01 23:52:00 -
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Here it goes again, irrelevantly long posts saying either one of two things
1 Git gud 2 Squad up
Vehicle Spam Solution: Switch to AV but get killed by a scout Heavy being repped by 2 Logi Solution: Take out the logi but get killed by a scout before you can.
You wonder why everyone is playing as a scout.
Sadly the only quick solution is to play as a scout. No need for lectures
Proud Christian
Jesus Loves You
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Cat Merc
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
14238
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Posted - 2015.01.02 00:13:00 -
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You... You do realize that those Logis could just take out their own weapons and deal 4x the damage that they rep, right?
Feline overlord of all humans
Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
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P14GU3
Savage Bullet
1002
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Posted - 2015.01.02 00:26:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:You... You do realize that those Logis could just take out their own weapons and deal 4x the damage that they rep, right? Inb4logican'tshoot
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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Zaria Min Deir
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
977
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Posted - 2015.01.02 00:31:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:
I treat Logibro's with the same respect as a doormat. You wipe your feet with it, and then forget it ever existed.
Yep.
Have you considered installing the improved keyboard?
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
2827
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Posted - 2015.01.02 00:31:00 -
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Orion Sanjeet wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Orion Sanjeet wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:You Logi scum make me sick. You make it seem like you're making this huge grand sacrifice to ensure the survival of the Heavy suit, when you're basically farming WP for holding R1.
The fact that repping is valued more then actual killing in a ambush game mode is the definition of broken.
Going 0/4 and keeping one HMG Heavy alive =/= someone going 24-4 in ambush. So Reg, what's the fotm? Oh wait, I can find out the next time I see you. Its not the Suit bro, its the thumbs Agreed, you are a bit of a freak of nature, but, if we got to look at your fitting it would be a who's who of what is currently OP.
IDK.... Reggy was running Minmatar Assault with Lord Chaos and myself when nobody ran the suit because it was UP...
He skills into what is performing the best in DUST at the current time because he is a competitive player... CCP forces this on us.. It isn't his doing.
At the same time a Logi just running behind a singular heavy and scoring WP in the same realm as a guy that performs extremely well in the slaying field doesnt often happen.
Logi's who just spam a rep tool behind a singular heavy don't score to well... They usually sit around 1k Wp at best.
Logi's who will drop nano hives, Keep uplinks on them and drop them as the entire team progresses forward and keeps relevant spawn points... While scanning out enemy positions and repairing the entire team... Moving around repairs to who needs it..
They are the ones that out score slayers.. These are players who have mastered staying alive and using their equipment effectively while still making enough profit in public matches to run The most Expensive suits in the game.
Being a skilled player in gungame and a skilled player in support... Are vastly different skill sets.. But take similar time to master none the less.. Most slayers have an inability to support well.. And most support have the inability to slay well...
To each their own.
This is why having dedicated Logistics in PC was often rare.. Having Logi's that are pure logi's in PC that are also effective and worth their spot... is rare... There are a handful of players who can do this... And everyone at the top knows their names. |
Immortal John Ripper
27026
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Posted - 2015.01.02 00:33:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:You Logi scum make me sick. You make it seem like you're making this huge grand sacrifice to ensure the survival of the Heavy suit, when you're basically farming WP for holding R1.
The fact that repping is valued more then actual killing in a ambush game mode is the definition of broken.
Going 0/4 and keeping one HMG Heavy alive =/= someone going 24-4 in ambush. 1 Logi Greater than 1 Slayer. Slayer goes 24/4, good job well done, thank you for the contribution. Logi Revives 30 People (my personal best) - saving millions of peoples ISK in the process. That Logi has now outperformed that Slayer by 6 lives (+30 to team force strength) Logi heals 45 People from > 20% eHP - saving millions of peoples ISK in the process. That Logi has now made each of those people he has healed worth 2 times their forcestrength (+45 to team force strength) Logi provides ammo to 25 people allowing to fight harder and longer, also reduces suiciding for more ammo. (+25 to team force strength) Logi Provides Intel Support allowing friendlies to fight smarter and pick fights, increasing their effectiveness 10 fold (+150 to team force strength) So in total Slayer -4 to team force strength -24 to enemy force strength (not accounting for revives on other team) Logi -4 to team force strength +250 to team force strength I'd say that logi made a hell of a lot more a contribution than yourself, sitting in a corner shooting people as they walk past. You never if you got a logi you might go 80-4 or 30-0. The fact you don't appreciate the usefulness of a support role tells me everything I need to know, go back to your hole ReG we will ask for your opinion when it comes to more brute force forms of balance. How about you save your pseudoscience for another logi who needs the false sense of accomplishment and worth on a video game. I treat Logibro's with the same respect as a doormat. You wipe your feet with it, and then forget it ever existed. lololol The council approves +1
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Kolibri.
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General John Ripper
27027
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Posted - 2015.01.02 00:33:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:You Logi scum make me sick. You make it seem like you're making this huge grand sacrifice to ensure the survival of the Heavy suit, when you're basically farming WP for holding R1.
The fact that repping is valued more then actual killing in a ambush game mode is the definition of broken.
Going 0/4 and keeping one HMG Heavy alive =/= someone going 24-4 in ambush. 1 Logi Greater than 1 Slayer. Slayer goes 24/4, good job well done, thank you for the contribution. Logi Revives 30 People (my personal best) - saving millions of peoples ISK in the process. That Logi has now outperformed that Slayer by 6 lives (+30 to team force strength) Logi heals 45 People from > 20% eHP - saving millions of peoples ISK in the process. That Logi has now made each of those people he has healed worth 2 times their forcestrength (+45 to team force strength) Logi provides ammo to 25 people allowing to fight harder and longer, also reduces suiciding for more ammo. (+25 to team force strength) Logi Provides Intel Support allowing friendlies to fight smarter and pick fights, increasing their effectiveness 10 fold (+150 to team force strength) So in total Slayer -4 to team force strength -24 to enemy force strength (not accounting for revives on other team) Logi -4 to team force strength +250 to team force strength I'd say that logi made a hell of a lot more a contribution than yourself, sitting in a corner shooting people as they walk past. You never if you got a logi you might go 80-4 or 30-0. The fact you don't appreciate the usefulness of a support role tells me everything I need to know, go back to your hole ReG we will ask for your opinion when it comes to more brute force forms of balance. How about you save your pseudoscience for another logi who needs the false sense of accomplishment and worth on a video game. I treat Logibro's with the same respect as a doormat. You wipe your feet with it, and then forget it ever existed. lololol The council approves +1
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Kolibri.
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Cat Merc
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
14240
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Posted - 2015.01.02 00:41:00 -
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Zaria Min Deir wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:
I treat Logibro's with the same respect as a doormat. You wipe your feet with it, and then forget it ever existed.
Yep. You are officially on Zaria's **** list.
Feline overlord of all humans
Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
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