DUST Search - Prototype scout market data for the past 6 months. [PICTURES]

Maken Tosch wrote:

If that is the case, the Mk.0 seems to pass the test with flying colors. I can think of a few possibilities as to what's driving the sustainability of the Scout Mk.0.

It could be that it is technically the fastest scout suit in the game and that players like to get to the action as soon as possible and are probably not patient enough to wait for a vehicle to get called in to take them. Their speed is perfect for getting to objectives fast and getting out fast along with dodging most shots coming at them which makes up for the lack of EWAR. It might also be that they are the only suits that can enable a player to OHK a heavy suit with just nova knives but that would be highly unlikely given how difficult it is to wield the knives without dying too much.

I have been seeing a lot of Minscouts lately since last November. The funny thing is that these suits are nowhere near being OP. In fact, a lot of players regard the Minscouts as hard-mode suits that only dedicated players who enjoy a challenge would use. And with the lowest CPU/PG compared to other suits, I'm not really 100% sure what's causing this sustainability.

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deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1677	Posted - 2014.12.31 23:19:00 - [1] - Quote Sales for each of the 4 proto scout suits over the past 6 months. AK.0 CK.0 GK.0 MK.0
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1677	Posted - 2014.12.31 23:21:00 - [2] - Quote Reserved for my conclusions on said data.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4916	Posted - 2014.12.31 23:22:00 - [3] - Quote Not a lot of us Ak.0's out there huh? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 2239	Posted - 2014.12.31 23:23:00 - [4] - Quote Thanks, I must say I contribute to Caldari and Amarr scouts. Kill Death Ratio is an invalid metric and thus should not be used to determine skill. Stabby Stabber.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1677	Posted - 2014.12.31 23:33:00 - [5] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Not a lot of us Ak.0's out there huh? I was a bit shocked at the difference between the AK.0 and the rest.
icdedppul PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 254	Posted - 2015.01.01 05:56:00 - [6] - Quote Ak so boring and slow...... only pop out the Amarr when there are to many scout shotties on the otherside Gotta own them all
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10632	Posted - 2015.01.01 06:03:00 - [7] - Quote Interesting. Though all of the scouts experienced a rise in use around the beginning of November, the mk.0 appears to be the only suit experiencing sustained usage while the rest experienced a decline between the beginning of November and now. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 2245	Posted - 2015.01.01 06:43:00 - [8] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Interesting. Though all of the scouts experienced a rise in use around the beginning of November, the mk.0 appears to be the only suit experiencing sustained usage while the rest experienced a decline between the beginning of November and now. Probably just testing them out. Kill Death Ratio is an invalid metric and thus should not be used to determine skill. Stabby Stabber.
Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 648	Posted - 2015.01.01 07:21:00 - [9] - Quote After all these changes and hotfixes, people went back from scouts to assaults. Cal/Gal assaulting/killing aspect fell down comparing to what it used to be. That's why Mk.0 is used more. Also i'm not surprised with amarr scout. I known it won't be as popular as caldari when it comes to scanning. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Ready for sacrafise [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Ps. I have 2 minmatar slaves
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10633	Posted - 2015.01.01 07:22:00 - [10] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Interesting. Though all of the scouts experienced a rise in use around the beginning of November, the mk.0 appears to be the only suit experiencing sustained usage while the rest experienced a decline between the beginning of November and now. Probably just testing them out. If that is the case, the Mk.0 seems to pass the test with flying colors. I can think of a few possibilities as to what's driving the sustainability of the Scout Mk.0. It could be that it is technically the fastest scout suit in the game and that players like to get to the action as soon as possible and are probably not patient enough to wait for a vehicle to get called in to take them. Their speed is perfect for getting to objectives fast and getting out fast along with dodging most shots coming at them which makes up for the lack of EWAR. It might also be that they are the only suits that can enable a player to OHK a heavy suit with just nova knives but that would be highly unlikely given how difficult it is to wield the knives without dying too much. I have been seeing a lot of Minscouts lately since last November. The funny thing is that these suits are nowhere near being OP. In fact, a lot of players regard the Minscouts as hard-mode suits that only dedicated players who enjoy a challenge would use. And with the lowest CPU/PG compared to other suits, I'm not really 100% sure what's causing this sustainability. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6723	Posted - 2015.01.01 07:25:00 - [11] - Quote The funny thing about sales data is that it doesn't just determine how popular something is but also how fast that products needs to be replenished. The Mk.0's sales rate going up could not only mean that it is getting more popular but also that it is being killed faster so people have to buy more of them more often. I know that the scout scout I kill most is the Minmatar Scout and that a high rate of those kills are proto. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10633	Posted - 2015.01.01 07:28:00 - [12] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: After all these changes and hotfixes, people went back from scouts to assaults. Cal/Gal assaulting/killing aspect fell down comparing to what it used to be. That's why Mk.0 is used more. Also i'm not surprised with amarr scout. I known it won't be as popular as caldari when it comes to scanning. That wouldn't really make sense for the Scout Mk.0 especially after the EWAR rebalancing. Minscouts have to fit more dampeners and possibly a cloak to get close enough without getting detected. They are essentially the squishiest suits to wear. Most militia-level weapons can overtake the Minscout no problem. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 170	Posted - 2015.01.01 07:31:00 - [13] - Quote The dropoff after November is due to the RIDICULOUS cloak nerf.. that makes and already nerfed to the hilt class.. even less viable.. STUPID MOVE CCP..
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10633	Posted - 2015.01.01 07:32:00 - [14] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The funny thing about sales data is that it doesn't just determine how popular something is but also how fast that products needs to be replenished. The Mk.0's sales rate going up could not only mean that it is getting more popular but also that it is being killed faster so people have to buy more of them more often. I know that the scout scout I kill most is the Minmatar Scout and that a high rate of those kills are proto. That's a good way to look at it. Didn't think of that. But then that only leads to more questions. Why are they continuously having to replenish it at this rate? Surely if a suit is not surviving as often as one would hope then most people would simply stop using that suit and use something else. Unless you're a masochist like me, using a suit that gets wrecked more often than most seems insane. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10633	Posted - 2015.01.01 07:36:00 - [15] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: The dropoff after November is due to the RIDICULOUS cloak nerf.. that makes and already nerfed to the hilt class.. even less viable.. STUPID MOVE CCP.. That still doesn't explain how the Minscout is able to have a sustained use after November. If the cloak nerf is what's behind the decline, why isn't the Minscout following the same pattern? On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 648	Posted - 2015.01.01 07:45:00 - [16] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: If that is the case, the Mk.0 seems to pass the test with flying colors. I can think of a few possibilities as to what's driving the sustainability of the Scout Mk.0. It could be that it is technically the fastest scout suit in the game and that players like to get to the action as soon as possible and are probably not patient enough to wait for a vehicle to get called in to take them. Their speed is perfect for getting to objectives fast and getting out fast along with dodging most shots coming at them which makes up for the lack of EWAR. It might also be that they are the only suits that can enable a player to OHK a heavy suit with just nova knives but that would be highly unlikely given how difficult it is to wield the knives without dying too much. I have been seeing a lot of Minscouts lately since last November. The funny thing is that these suits are nowhere near being OP. In fact, a lot of players regard the Minscouts as hard-mode suits that only dedicated players who enjoy a challenge would use. And with the lowest CPU/PG compared to other suits, I'm not really 100% sure what's causing this sustainability. I'll tell you why from my perspective : 1. NK fixes. They have now better range and detection. 2. Scan changes. Focused scanner with 5sec scan is very rarely a problem if it ever is. Amarr scout won't scan **** past 18m. And 2 damps are enough to pass their scans [with cloak]. 3. Minja have enough fitting spcace to fit : 3x enhanced shield extenders and everything else can be proto and complex. Literally everything. 4. Everyone likes that hacking bonus. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Ready for sacrafise [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Ps. I have 2 minmatar slaves
Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 648	Posted - 2015.01.01 07:52:00 - [17] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Mejt0 wrote: After all these changes and hotfixes, people went back from scouts to assaults. Cal/Gal assaulting/killing aspect fell down comparing to what it used to be. That's why Mk.0 is used more. Also i'm not surprised with amarr scout. I known it won't be as popular as caldari when it comes to scanning. That wouldn't really make sense for the Scout Mk.0 especially after the EWAR rebalancing. Minscouts have to fit more dampeners and possibly a cloak to get close enough without getting detected. They are essentially the squishiest suits to wear. Most militia-level weapons can overtake the Minscout no problem. After EWAR rebalanicng minja is as unscanable as every other scout. 2 damps + kincat and you're good to go. Scouts are squishy for other suits, but also other suits are squishy for us. For eg i take out sentiniels and assaults as fast as scouts. Cuz knives, speed, dampen you know. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Ready for sacrafise [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Ps. I have 2 minmatar slaves
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6724	Posted - 2015.01.01 08:08:00 - [18] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The funny thing about sales data is that it doesn't just determine how popular something is but also how fast that products needs to be replenished. The Mk.0's sales rate going up could not only mean that it is getting more popular but also that it is being killed faster so people have to buy more of them more often. I know that the scout scout I kill most is the Minmatar Scout and that a high rate of those kills are proto. That's a good way to look at it. Didn't think of that. But then that only leads to more questions. Why are they continuously having to replenish it at this rate? Surely if a suit is not surviving as often as one would hope then most people would simply stop using that suit and use something else. Unless you're a masochist like me, using a suit that gets wrecked more often than most seems insane. Ooh Masochist. Stop sweet talking me you lovable rouge Anyways chances are that people got better at fighting Minmatar Scouts just as there was a wave of people that came trying to reap some of the benefits of the suit. So what you have is a growing population of people that are getting killed faster than ever before because people learn how to counter familiar threats. The new influx of people are simply using the suit because they got killed by Minmatar Scouts before and thought, "wow that suit must be so good I couldn't even hit it! I have to skill into it!". Then they did and now they own low tier players but get absolutely destroyed by veterans. At least that is my theory. It's based on me seeing A LOT of bad proto Minmatar Scouts and killing them in embarrassingly easy ways. They are scrubs. So obviously there is an influx of inexperienced players to Minmatar Scouts. They most likely aren't comfortable with low HP so they make up for it by using proto Mk.0s even when they don't have the skills to use them effectively. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Jathniel G I A N T 1391	Posted - 2015.01.01 08:12:00 - [19] - Quote I rip up mk0s all day. It doesn't matter to them. The Minjas are the Masochists. They are like little versions of Wolverine. Going crazy and laughing like hyenas trying to cut you with their claws (knives). Whether they succeed or they die, they are always laughing. You can blast holes in them repeatedly, but they keep trying. Minjas are crazy. Sonic the Hedgehog FTFW
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6724	Posted - 2015.01.01 08:15:00 - [20] - Quote Jathniel wrote: I rip up mk0s all day. It doesn't matter to them. The Minjas are the Masochists. They are like little versions of Wolverine. Going crazy and laughing like hyenas trying to cut you with their claws (knives). Whether they succeed or they die, they are always laughing. You can blast holes in them repeatedly, but they keep trying. Minjas are crazy. All I know is that as long as they keep dying in proto suits I can make sure that I make a profit. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.

Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 649	Posted - 2015.01.01 08:19:00 - [21] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Jathniel wrote: I rip up mk0s all day. It doesn't matter to them. The Minjas are the Masochists. They are like little versions of Wolverine. Going crazy and laughing like hyenas trying to cut you with their claws (knives). Whether they succeed or they die, they are always laughing. You can blast holes in them repeatedly, but they keep trying. Minjas are crazy. All I know is that as long as they keep dying in proto suits I can make sure that I make a profit. Kill is always worth more than suit price. And they [i] will always come for more. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Ready for sacrafise [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Ps. I have 2 minmatar slaves
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10633	Posted - 2015.01.01 08:27:00 - [22] - Quote Jathniel wrote: I rip up mk0s all day. It doesn't matter to them. The Minjas are the Masochists. They are like little versions of Wolverine. Going crazy and laughing like hyenas trying to cut you with their claws (knives). Whether they succeed or they die, they are always laughing. You can blast holes in them repeatedly, but they keep trying. Minjas are crazy. We like it rough. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6725	Posted - 2015.01.01 08:33:00 - [23] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Jathniel wrote: I rip up mk0s all day. It doesn't matter to them. The Minjas are the Masochists. They are like little versions of Wolverine. Going crazy and laughing like hyenas trying to cut you with their claws (knives). Whether they succeed or they die, they are always laughing. You can blast holes in them repeatedly, but they keep trying. Minjas are crazy. All I know is that as long as they keep dying in proto suits I can make sure that I make a profit. Kill is always worth more than suit price. And they [i] will always come for more. The collective purse gets larger for every piece of gear lost. The more expensive the gear the larger the final purse. If you do good you'll get a big slice of that huge purse and you will be a content mercenary. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1276	Posted - 2015.01.01 10:15:00 - [24] - Quote OP is a dingus. Those charts are from the EVE client and are regional. Currently, there are 14 different regions that have DUST locals all with their own separate market data. Dual tanking is for bad players. Come play a better game.
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 209	Posted - 2015.01.01 10:19:00 - [25] - Quote To me the causes of these results are simple : - Succesive nerfs pushed FOTM chasers out of scouts for assaults. - The huge nerf to scan abilities of the scouts (range divided by 2 for decent scan) plus the ridiculous scan range reduction when you're cloaked make skillless people unable to get decent results with scouts, so noobs also stop using scouts - Minja is the funniest suit, because knifing, running and hacking super fast is fun. Moreover a super hacking fit can win you the game. - As scouts ewar got nerfed, the lack of ewar skills for the minja isn't the huge disadvantage it was before in most games (it can still be super annoying when facing true good scouts and pro scanners) - Minjas tend to die more than other scouts
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 2246	Posted - 2015.01.01 19:07:00 - [26] - Quote Francois Sanchez wrote: To me the causes of these results are simple : - Minjas tend to die more than other scouts Tell that to my Minja. The only problem with that is I have no Minja. I have a Caldari scout with knives, we really need a name for each race's knifer. Kill Death Ratio is an invalid metric and thus should not be used to determine skill. Stabby Stabber.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10637	Posted - 2015.01.01 19:34:00 - [27] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: OP is a dingus. Those charts are from the EVE client and are regional. Currently, there are 14 different regions that have DUST locals all with their own separate market data. Edit: Here is some real market data I pulled from CREST Here is a list of systems that Dust players are located in. Ana, Marthia, Kothe, Soshin, Saikanen, Autama, Jolia, Adacyne, Halle, Egbonbet, Javrendei, Kasrasi, Mesokel, Etav, Gosalav, Charra, Sahdil, Paye, Iro, Mimen, Tidacha, Dihra, Mastakomon, Vouskiaho, Vahunomi, Purjola, Usi, Inoue, Oshaima, Vuorrassi, Atai, Croleur, Ney, Dodenvale, Estene, Uphene, Odixie, Torvi, Ommare, Klaevik, Eldjaerin, Geffur, Dantbeinn, Amo, Freatlidur, Sist, Rokofur, Offugen Source: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/EVE-DUST_514_Link_FAQ?_ga=1.26379773.1921181014.1337458670#How_do_I_find_DUST_514_mercenaries_then.3F Using evemaps.dotlan.net as a reference, these systems fall into the following regions. Domain, Tash-Murkon, Kador, The Forge, The Citadel, Lonetrek, Sinq Laison, Placid, Everyshore, Metropolis, Heimatar, Derelik, Essence, and Devoid. That is exactly 14 regions total. Yes, I checked every one of those systems in the list. @THUNDERGROOVE The link that you provided only gives us a total of the items sold during the past 6 months. It doesn't give us a clear enough picture like a graph does. Graphs are needed to show trends across all regions. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 778	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:05:00 - [28] - Quote I was about to ask if these graphs include the other region markets for the scouts. ^^ Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10637	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:16:00 - [29] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: I was about to ask if these graphs include the other region markets for the scouts. ^^ Unfortunately, the graphs posted by the OP are only covering one region. CCP, Chribba, and anyone who can put together excellent graphs using the CREST API would be the ones to be able to provide the proper graphs we're looking for. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1088	Posted - 2015.01.01 22:21:00 - [30] - Quote Do these include sales from the LP store? I know that some scouts are missing, but it may be useful to know that all my Scout MK.0's come from the LP store. If this isn't taken into account, the data may be inaccurate. Heck, the data is probably skewed due to the missing suits in the LP store anyway. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis - pronounced like 'Maize'



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