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TheD1CK wrote:

Powerh8er wrote:

This game has no effect regarding real life physics, we have a HMG that only does danage in close quarters like a flametrhower or shotgun and the rest of the weapons acting accordingley. No this is bullshit. I want to be a machinegunner not a scrubby suicidal trench sweeper.

If he has not replied already, Breakin Stuff has some good views on this
A HMG coming onto a letter should be a Death Machine.. but will players accept that???

- Now, we have some meatgrinding heavies, but flanking is also common
Fittings are designed to as Power puts it, be suicidal trench sweepers

- IF. we got with the Death Machine option are players going to accept that??
-Reduced movement, sprint, stamina and turn speeds
-Increased range of HMG
pending how it shapes up in combat, HP values may need adjusting.

Heavies now are capable of a ganking role, fun as it is, it does not match what a Sentinel could be
And that role could be something closer to a vehicle than an infantry as we have now.

I don't think enough would get behind this idea as it would easily cause more balancing issues
All the same it would be awesome Pirate

My Min Scout would have fun running around fatties then, although once he gets a bead on me I'm F*****
Would players accept that for the abilty to have a longer range HMG??

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Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 616	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:11:00 - [1] - Quote This game has no effect regarding real life physics, we have a HMG that only does danage in close quarters like a flametrhower or shotgun and the rest of the weapons acting accordingley. No this is bullshit. I want to be a machinegunner not a scrubby suicidal trench sweeper.
Robocop Junior research lab 1047	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:14:00 - [2] - Quote My unborn child can spell better. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 613	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:16:00 - [3] - Quote Close quarters is not 30 meters. I.E. the Hmg is a mid-range weapon not to mention it's OP as sh*t. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4094	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:23:00 - [4] - Quote We're also running around in Iron Man suits with guns that shoot plasma and lasers. Oh I'm sorry, what were you saying about realism? "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Robocop Junior research lab 1047	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:23:00 - [5] - Quote I am dropping 30-40 kill games constantly with this set up.... G-1 sentinel complex damage mod adv hmg magsec flux complex cardiac complex rep 9/10 games no logi running solo If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 616	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:24:00 - [6] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Close quarters is not 30 meters. I.E. the Hmg is a mid-range weapon not to mention it's OP as sh*t. Ehh every weapon it this game melt people at any distance, except HMG wich only melts people close range. All im asking is that HMG behave like RL HMG.: very good against long range infantry targets and close range light armor vehicles.
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 613	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:29:00 - [7] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Close quarters is not 30 meters. I.E. the Hmg is a mid-range weapon not to mention it's OP as sh*t. Ehh every weapon it this game melt people at any distance, except HMG wich only melts people close range. All im asking is that HMG behave like RL HMG.: very good against long range infantry targets and close range light armor vehicles. 30 meters is not close range by any means. The shotgun is close range, HMG has too much range for the DPS it's shoving up peoples' rectums. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
Jesus Chrysler D3ATH CARD RUST415 14	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:29:00 - [8] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Close quarters is not 30 meters. I.E. the Hmg is a mid-range weapon not to mention it's OP as sh*t. Ehh every weapon it this game melt people at any distance, except HMG wich only melts people close range. All im asking is that HMG behave like RL HMG.: very good against long range infantry targets and close range light armor vehicles. Were you there when the burst HMG was OP.. Assault ak.0, Assault ck.0, Assault gk.0, Assault mk.0 & Incubus Ion Pistol Expert
Robocop Junior research lab 1047	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:29:00 - [9] - Quote lol wow, done with this thread, good luck. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 616	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:30:00 - [10] - Quote Clearly the community doesnt want a fully operational mg on the field. Because reasons.

Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 616	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:31:00 - [11] - Quote Jesus Chrysler wrote: Powerh8er wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Close quarters is not 30 meters. I.E. the Hmg is a mid-range weapon not to mention it's OP as sh*t. Ehh every weapon it this game melt people at any distance, except HMG wich only melts people close range. All im asking is that HMG behave like RL HMG.: very good against long range infantry targets and close range light armor vehicles. Were you there when the burst HMG was OP.. In prison, next question please.
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 679	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:31:00 - [12] - Quote Power are you on drugs man? 10100111001 Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 616	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:39:00 - [13] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: Power are you on drugs man? No, i dont like drugs, but it would be nice to have the HMg act like something between a an assault rifle and a sniper rifle as in real life. imagine mobile HMG nest with heavies and logies that only could been taken care with similar firepower , joint effort or orbitals. I could be gloroius. It would add an whole new tactical perspective to the fight ecxept just spamming heavies everywhere with eachh 1000 bullets each in their HMG.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3261	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:44:00 - [14] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: Clearly the community doesnt want a fully operational mg on the field. Because reasons. You mean giving the HMG the range of a Rail Rifle..? Good luck trying to get that to EVER happen. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3261	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:44:00 - [15] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: Cavani1EE7 wrote: Power are you on drugs man? No, i dont like drugs, but it would be nice to have the HMg act like something between a an assault rifle and a sniper rifle as in real life. imagine mobile HMG nest with heavies and logies that only could been taken care with similar firepower , joint effort or orbitals. I could be gloroius. It would add an whole new tactical perspective to the fight ecxept just spamming heavies everywhere with eachh 1000 bullets each in their HMG. So the new tactical perspective would be to spam more heavies..? "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4099	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:45:00 - [16] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: Cavani1EE7 wrote: Power are you on drugs man? No, i dont like drugs, but it would be nice to have the HMg act like something between a an assault rifle and a sniper rifle as in real life. imagine mobile HMG nest with heavies and logies that only could been taken care with similar firepower , joint effort or orbitals. I could be gloroius. It would add an whole new tactical perspective to the fight ecxept just spamming heavies everywhere with eachh 1000 bullets each in their HMG. How would increasing the HMG's range stop people from spamming heavies everywhere? "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 616	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:10:00 - [17] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Powerh8er wrote: Cavani1EE7 wrote: Power are you on drugs man? No, i dont like drugs, but it would be nice to have the HMg act like something between a an assault rifle and a sniper rifle as in real life. imagine mobile HMG nest with heavies and logies that only could been taken care with similar firepower , joint effort or orbitals. I could be gloroius. It would add an whole new tactical perspective to the fight ecxept just spamming heavies everywhere with eachh 1000 bullets each in their HMG. How would increasing the HMG's range stop people from spamming heavies everywhere? Being very accurate and depent on his logi in cqc, as a real machinegunner?
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4861	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:13:00 - [18] - Quote 2/100 (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4102	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:15:00 - [19] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Powerh8er wrote: Cavani1EE7 wrote: Power are you on drugs man? No, i dont like drugs, but it would be nice to have the HMg act like something between a an assault rifle and a sniper rifle as in real life. imagine mobile HMG nest with heavies and logies that only could been taken care with similar firepower , joint effort or orbitals. I could be gloroius. It would add an whole new tactical perspective to the fight ecxept just spamming heavies everywhere with eachh 1000 bullets each in their HMG. How would increasing the HMG's range stop people from spamming heavies everywhere? Being very accurate and depent on his logi in cqc, as a real machinegunner? Accurate like a Combat Rifle? Because those are accurate, but still work at close and long range. I don't see how this will stop heavy spam. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Sergeant Sazu Nanite Systems 250	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:16:00 - [20] - Quote I found the problem. This guy thinks Dust should emulate real life. Staggering news: This is a game. We need balance, and you just want to be OP. End result: 7.8/10 too much water [36.3m SP - Next skill: Cardiac Regulation 5] (Assault mk.0 - Logistics mk.0) "Call me beep me, if you want a logi"

Poncho Polous Titans of Phoenix 684	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:21:00 - [21] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: We're also running around in Iron Man suits with guns that shoot plasma and lasers. Oh I'm sorry, what were you saying about realism? Just saying, but not one of the things you mentioned is not a real thing. Yes, laser guns exist. Yes, plasma guns exist (to an extent) Iron man suits.... pretty sure we've seen people in iron suits for a few hundred years or so. Titans of Phoenix > Director > WE DA BUUUUSSSS!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4108	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:24:00 - [22] - Quote Poncho Polous wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: We're also running around in Iron Man suits with guns that shoot plasma and lasers. Oh I'm sorry, what were you saying about realism? Just saying, but not one of the things you mentioned is not a real thing. Yes, laser guns exist. Yes, plasma guns exist (to an extent) Iron man suits.... pretty sure we've seen people in iron suits for a few hundred years or so. ...dude. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 778	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:24:00 - [23] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: This game has no effect regarding real life physics, we have a HMG that only does danage in close quarters like a flametrhower or shotgun and the rest of the weapons acting accordingley. No this is bullshit. I want to be a machinegunner not a scrubby suicidal trench sweeper. Do you have any idea what a 80GJ railgun would actually do? This game has no physics, don't try to compare it to the real world, think of it like Star Wars. It's in a different universe therefore lightsabers clash. Game Balance > Realism. So if we have to be realistic, then we need to remove the HMG because what you describe will never be balanced.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4108	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:27:00 - [24] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Powerh8er wrote: This game has no effect regarding real life physics, we have a HMG that only does danage in close quarters like a flametrhower or shotgun and the rest of the weapons acting accordingley. No this is bullshit. I want to be a machinegunner not a scrubby suicidal trench sweeper. Do you have any idea what a 80GJ railgun would actually do? This game has no physics, don't try to compare it to the real world, think of it like Star Wars. It's in a different universe therefore lightsabers clash. Game Balance > Realism. So if we have to be realistic, then we need to remove the HMG because what you describe will never be balanced. It would be kind of fun to see someone liquify from the shockwave of a railgun hitting 20m away from them... "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 11	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:27:00 - [25] - Quote if you want range there's an assault hmg. Thanks for your time.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 779	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:31:00 - [26] - Quote Shamarskii Simon wrote: if you want range there's an assault hmg. Thanks for your time. In all fairness though the assault really is garbage currently since it doesn't have improved accuracy. Doesn't matter if the optimal is higher if you aren't going to hit anything at that range. That's the only thing I'd like to see changed, the assault hmg to have a little bit better accuracy to make it viable. It would give Caldari sentinels a useful HMG.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1582	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:39:00 - [27] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: This game has no effect regarding real life physics, we have a HMG that only does danage in close quarters like a flametrhower or shotgun and the rest of the weapons acting accordingley. No this is bullshit. I want to be a machinegunner not a scrubby suicidal trench sweeper. If he has not replied already, Breakin Stuff has some good views on this A HMG coming onto a letter should be a Death Machine.. but will players accept that??? - Now, we have some meatgrinding heavies, but flanking is also common Fittings are designed to as Power puts it, be suicidal trench sweepers - IF. we got with the Death Machine option are players going to accept that?? -Reduced movement, sprint, stamina and turn speeds -Increased range of HMG pending how it shapes up in combat, HP values may need adjusting. Heavies now are capable of a ganking role, fun as it is, it does not match what a Sentinel could be And that role could be something closer to a vehicle than an infantry as we have now. I don't think enough would get behind this idea as it would easily cause more balancing issues All the same it would be awesome My Min Scout would have fun running around fatties then, although once he gets a bead on me I'm F***** Would players accept that for the abilty to have a longer range HMG??
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 779	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:42:00 - [28] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Powerh8er wrote: This game has no effect regarding real life physics, we have a HMG that only does danage in close quarters like a flametrhower or shotgun and the rest of the weapons acting accordingley. No this is bullshit. I want to be a machinegunner not a scrubby suicidal trench sweeper. If he has not replied already, Breakin Stuff has some good views on this A HMG coming onto a letter should be a Death Machine.. but will players accept that??? - Now, we have some meatgrinding heavies, but flanking is also common Fittings are designed to as Power puts it, be suicidal trench sweepers - IF. we got with the Death Machine option are players going to accept that?? -Reduced movement, sprint, stamina and turn speeds -Increased range of HMG pending how it shapes up in combat, HP values may need adjusting. Heavies now are capable of a ganking role, fun as it is, it does not match what a Sentinel could be And that role could be something closer to a vehicle than an infantry as we have now. I don't think enough would get behind this idea as it would easily cause more balancing issues All the same it would be awesome My Min Scout would have fun running around fatties then, although once he gets a bead on me I'm F***** Would players accept that for the abilty to have a longer range HMG?? I personally don't see what's wrong with hmgs currently... and yes I do use them. To me it sounds the same as the Spkr tanks514 QQ fest. "Why can't my hmg move onto objectives and kill everyone by myself!!! It should take a squad to kill my hmg!!!"
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 617	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:43:00 - [29] - Quote I rest my case, as in real life a HMg should be a support weapon being a supreme tactical weapon or death only then then we can discuss whos the better heavy.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 779	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:45:00 - [30] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: I rest my case, as in real life a HMg should be a support weapon being a supreme tactical weapon or death only then then we can discuss whos the better heavy. It's a game dude. Technically Dust doesn't even make sense, when we can just bombard targets from space... what's the point of a ground position if it takes 15 minutes for it to widdle down a space ship that could of just nuked em from orbit?



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