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Powerh8er wrote:

gustavo acosta wrote:

Union118 wrote:

gustavo acosta wrote:

Close quarters is not 30 meters. I.E. the Hmg is a mid-range weapon not to mention it's OP as sh*t. What?

Its not OP it needs better range but less accuracy its dmg out put is fine at close range cuz its a HMG. The thing is supposed to drop you on sight at 20m and do push back dmg at 30m.

If we want things to be like in RL I better get my 30 feet shotgun so I can one shot people like in real life amarite? Shotguns are supposed to kill things at up to 40 feet right? This is a game, balancing numbers shouldn't be based off real-life genius.

Well, if you want 1oo percent realty into the game then shotguns should do no damage against armored targets. then im in, buts thats another thread.

In real life one could accumalate fat to resist shotgun fire. Not very likely the same person would survive HMG fire. Thers a big difference in pellets designed from shotgun to damage and sharp caliber rounds from an machinegun designed to pierce.

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Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 617	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:49:00 - [31] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Powerh8er wrote: I rest my case, as in real life a HMg should be a support weapon being a supreme tactical weapon or death only then then we can discuss whos the better heavy. It's a game dude. Technically Dust doesn't even make sense, when we can just bombard targets from space... what's the point of a ground position if it takes 15 minutes for it to widdle down a space ship that could of just nuked em from orbit? Offcourse it makes sense, at least for a few seconds. Or minutes depends how efficent the enemy is.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1582	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:56:00 - [32] - Quote I'm just stating it is an option, that would really define a Sentinel as a Point Defenc monster As I pointed out tweaks will be needed , but thats only guesswork balacing a mg role would be a nightmare indeed. But it would turn it to a true Defence role, rather than the blobs we have running(waddling) around now Heavies would be used to defend areas, becoming something more like an installation/vehicle Changing the HMG to work at ranges would require a lot of stat changes... and broken stuff But I can't say for certain if it would be a bad thing. (The entire Sentinel role pushed out of CQC)
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4108	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:56:00 - [33] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: I rest my case, as in real life a HMg should be a support weapon being a supreme tactical weapon or death only then then we can discuss whos the better heavy. How does your proposal for an HMG differ from an Assault Combat Rifle? "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 617	Posted - 2014.12.23 22:59:00 - [34] - Quote You guys are understanding, I want heavies to be a mobile strongpoint giving the HMg sentinels a tactical weapon not just a weapon to spam.
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 617	Posted - 2014.12.23 23:00:00 - [35] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: You guys are understanding, I want heavies to be a mobile strongpoint giving the HMg sentinels a tactical weapon not just a weapon to spam. Giving hte HMg low ammo making it depent on a logi.
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 617	Posted - 2014.12.23 23:05:00 - [36] - Quote Making the machinegunner the least scrubby thing to be.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4108	Posted - 2014.12.23 23:08:00 - [37] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: Making the machinegunner the least scrubby thing to be. How does your proposal for an HMG differ from an Assault Combat Rifle? "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Shamarskii Simon The Hundred Acre Hood RISE of LEGION 11	Posted - 2014.12.23 23:08:00 - [38] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Shamarskii Simon wrote: if you want range there's an assault hmg. Thanks for your time. In all fairness though the assault really is garbage currently since it doesn't have improved accuracy. Doesn't matter if the optimal is higher if you aren't going to hit anything at that range. That's the only thing I'd like to see changed, the assault hmg to have a little bit better accuracy to make it viable. It would give Caldari sentinels a useful HMG. Actually... Thats a really good point. That's something rattati should look into.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6501	Posted - 2014.12.23 23:20:00 - [39] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: My unborn child can spell better. congrats cop XD On the child. Spelling better than that is not achievement. Ive seen betters spelling in the Kill scout with YES thread. XD Amarrian Born And State Patriot.
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 617	Posted - 2014.12.24 00:04:00 - [40] - Quote Im not tryin to win a spelling contest.

Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 617	Posted - 2014.12.24 00:12:00 - [41] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Powerh8er wrote: I rest my case, as in real life a HMg should be a support weapon being a supreme tactical weapon or death only then then we can discuss whos the better heavy. It's a game dude. Technically Dust doesn't even make sense, when we can just bombard targets from space... what's the point of a ground position if it takes 15 minutes for it to widdle down a space ship that could of just nuked em from orbit? Offcourse it makes sense, at least for a few seconds. Or minutes depends how efficent the enemy is. Im very drunk atm, but i cant even count how many of my oub dustmatches where decided by seconds let alone your pc matches.,
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 617	Posted - 2014.12.24 00:13:00 - [42] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: Powerh8er wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Powerh8er wrote: I rest my case, as in real life a HMg should be a support weapon being a supreme tactical weapon or death only then then we can discuss whos the better heavy. It's a game dude. Technically Dust doesn't even make sense, when we can just bombard targets from space... what's the point of a ground position if it takes 15 minutes for it to widdle down a space ship that could of just nuked em from orbit? Offcourse it makes sense, at least for a few seconds. Or minutes depends how efficent the enemy is. Im very drunk atm, but i cant even count how many of my oub dustmatches where decided by seconds let alone your pc matches., As drunk as i am, i still problaby one of the best heavies in the game.
Union118 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 121	Posted - 2014.12.24 00:19:00 - [43] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Close quarters is not 30 meters. I.E. the Hmg is a mid-range weapon not to mention it's OP as sh*t. Its not OP it needs better range but less accuracy its dmg out put is fine at close range cuz its a HMG. The thing is supposed to drop you on sight at 20m and do push back dmg at 30m. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3569	Posted - 2014.12.24 00:31:00 - [44] - Quote Heavy is hard mode http://imgur.com/Ijc5Um7 Fatal Absolution Director Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
rasputin900000 Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 20	Posted - 2014.12.24 00:36:00 - [45] - Quote Actually in real life the general electric .30 cal mini gun does severe damage at ranges well past 100 meters and is more often than not used as an assault weapon granted when needed for suppression no other weapon is more welcome.
DDx77 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 55	Posted - 2014.12.24 00:40:00 - [46] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: My unborn child can spell better. I think I agree with the OP but this made me laugh hard
Robocop Junior research lab 1054	Posted - 2014.12.24 01:02:00 - [47] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Heavy is hard mode http://imgur.com/Ijc5Um7 Look ma! No logi! Haha very nice :D If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 583	Posted - 2014.12.24 01:04:00 - [48] - Quote HMG is not OP. That's prof 5, and good positioning protecting the point. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 583	Posted - 2014.12.24 01:06:00 - [49] - Quote rasputin900000 wrote: Actually in real life the general electric .30 cal mini gun does severe damage at ranges well past 100 meters and is more often than not used as an assault weapon granted when needed for suppression no other weapon is more welcome. Exactly! These kids have so much to learn. "Anybody order chaos?"
rasputin900000 Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 21	Posted - 2014.12.24 01:12:00 - [50] - Quote rasputin900000 wrote: Actually in real life the general electric .30 cal mini gun does severe damage at ranges well past 100 meters and is more often than not used as an assault weapon granted when needed for suppression no other weapon is more welcome. I should clarify accurately as it is mounted to choppers that use them on vehicles as well as infantry. So most people of new end are still safe compared to their modern day real world counterparts

rasputin900000 Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 21	Posted - 2014.12.24 01:14:00 - [51] - Quote New Eden not new end auto fill sucks
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3570	Posted - 2014.12.24 01:37:00 - [52] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Heavy is hard mode http://imgur.com/Ijc5Um7 Look ma! No logi! Haha very nice :D The guy above me was using a PRO Cal Sent with a Burst (Prior to it being OP) http://imgur.com/PjNlo7k Fatal Absolution Director Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 617	Posted - 2014.12.24 01:55:00 - [53] - Quote Union118 wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Close quarters is not 30 meters. I.E. the Hmg is a mid-range weapon not to mention it's OP as sh*t. Its not OP it needs better range but less accuracy its dmg out put is fine at close range cuz its a HMG. The thing is supposed to drop you on sight at 20m and do push back dmg at 30m. If we want things to be like in RL I better get my 30 feet shotgun so I can one shot people like in real life amarite? Shotguns are supposed to kill things at up to 40 feet right? This is a game, balancing numbers shouldn't be based off real-life genius. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 617	Posted - 2014.12.24 02:27:00 - [54] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Union118 wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Close quarters is not 30 meters. I.E. the Hmg is a mid-range weapon not to mention it's OP as sh*t. Its not OP it needs better range but less accuracy its dmg out put is fine at close range cuz its a HMG. The thing is supposed to drop you on sight at 20m and do push back dmg at 30m. If we want things to be like in RL I better get my 30 feet shotgun so I can one shot people like in real life amarite? Shotguns are supposed to kill things at up to 40 feet right? This is a game, balancing numbers shouldn't be based off real-life genius. Well, if you want 1oo percent realty into the game then shotguns should do no damage against armored targets. then im in, buts thats another thread.
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 617	Posted - 2014.12.24 02:30:00 - [55] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Union118 wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Close quarters is not 30 meters. I.E. the Hmg is a mid-range weapon not to mention it's OP as sh*t. Its not OP it needs better range but less accuracy its dmg out put is fine at close range cuz its a HMG. The thing is supposed to drop you on sight at 20m and do push back dmg at 30m. If we want things to be like in RL I better get my 30 feet shotgun so I can one shot people like in real life amarite? Shotguns are supposed to kill things at up to 40 feet right? This is a game, balancing numbers shouldn't be based off real-life genius. Well, if you want 1oo percent realty into the game then shotguns should do no damage against armored targets. then im in, buts thats another thread. In real life one could accumalate fat to resist shotgun fire. Not very likely the same person would survive HMG fire.
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 617	Posted - 2014.12.24 02:52:00 - [56] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: Powerh8er wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Union118 wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: Close quarters is not 30 meters. I.E. the Hmg is a mid-range weapon not to mention it's OP as sh*t. Its not OP it needs better range but less accuracy its dmg out put is fine at close range cuz its a HMG. The thing is supposed to drop you on sight at 20m and do push back dmg at 30m. If we want things to be like in RL I better get my 30 feet shotgun so I can one shot people like in real life amarite? Shotguns are supposed to kill things at up to 40 feet right? This is a game, balancing numbers shouldn't be based off real-life genius. Well, if you want 1oo percent realty into the game then shotguns should do no damage against armored targets. then im in, buts thats another thread. In real life one could accumalate fat to resist shotgun fire. Not very likely the same person would survive HMG fire. Thers a big difference in pellets designed from shotgun to damage and sharp caliber rounds from an machinegun designed to pierce. Off topic theres actually a record of enlarged people survivinng x number of shotgun rounds as it is almost illegal by geneva convention by hitting people with machinegun fire as it is by larger caliber HMG considererd anti aircraft weapon. So in real life there is no difference between a shotgun round in the center mass and being cut in two by a machine gun.It has the exact number of pulling the trigger.
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 617	Posted - 2014.12.24 04:31:00 - [57] - Quote The problem is i can fit my heay or amarr assault with a combat rifle or laserrifle if have logi support, only problem is my hmg is not a hmg just a cartoonic version of machinegun, I want to suppress the enemy and adjust aim to logis advisement or by visual effects . What is the point of HMG it is not a machinegun by current standard?


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