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pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1184	Posted - 2014.12.22 13:28:00 - [1] - Quote The video The video isn't mine. All the credit goes to my friend Corbina Ninja (Corby is his channel). The video tells everything, so, take a look at it, like it and bump this thread for visibility. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Zaria Min Deir OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 951	Posted - 2014.12.22 13:33:00 - [2] - Quote Lovely. >.< Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 581	Posted - 2014.12.22 13:36:00 - [3] - Quote Been like this for as long as I can remember. Either they(CCP) doesn't care, or its beyond their ability to fix.... I mean they can't even keep the severs online what do you really expect? Hello? any one there?
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1087	Posted - 2014.12.22 13:36:00 - [4] - Quote And check this pls. Please support fair play!
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1709	Posted - 2014.12.22 13:37:00 - [5] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: The video The video isn't mine. All the credit goes to my friend Corbina Ninja (Corby is his channel). The video tells everything, so, take a look at it, like it and bump this thread for visibility. right, so the guy doesn't lag his ass off like I thought, he cheats. Now I don't want to say "that guy killed me because he's cheating" I ALWAYS give people the benefit of the doubt. But some people you are always on the very edge of calling a cheater, I always revert back to blaming it on my lag. But now I know....and CCP won't fix this because I don't think there's anything they can do apart from BAN THIS SEE YOU NEXT TUESDAY! DUST VIDEOS
Izlare Lenix Pub Stars 1184	Posted - 2014.12.22 13:52:00 - [6] - Quote If you have to cheat in a video game to feel good about yourself your life must really suck ass. Only losers and scrubs use modded controllers. The only winner of WWIII will be the cockroaches.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14033	Posted - 2014.12.22 13:58:00 - [7] - Quote Next gen tactics #420blazeit skill. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Pushing Charlie Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 543	Posted - 2014.12.22 14:04:00 - [8] - Quote I do this all the time! Always get a load of kills. It's so much fun! May we never forget his sacrifice
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4267	Posted - 2014.12.22 14:27:00 - [9] - Quote I though the AScR overheated in 1.9? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5513	Posted - 2014.12.22 14:29:00 - [10] - Quote The part I don't understand is the ROF being higher than humanly possible for SS and Burst weapons. If it cuts down on recoil for auto weapons I could live with that. I can't stand getting 1000 damage from a SCR in a few milliseconds. Only4-5KDRpubbiesCanRunADV24/7\|PCplyrsRunPRO&smashSTD/MLTplyrs24/7. ThisIsHowIt'sAlwaysBeen,ThereforeMustStayThisWay.

John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1088	Posted - 2014.12.22 14:34:00 - [11] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: The part I don't understand is the ROF being higher than humanly possible for SS and Burst weapons. If it cuts down on recoil for auto weapons I could live with that. I can't stand getting 1000 damage from a SCR in a few milliseconds. Spetial 4 turbo and clicker users, imho. Please support fair play!
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 664	Posted - 2014.12.22 14:53:00 - [12] - Quote 10100111001 Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
Spaceman-Rob Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 667	Posted - 2014.12.22 14:54:00 - [13] - Quote Yes well that explains a lot of things I see happen in Dust everyday, I wonder how many of the so called elite players with massive kd ratios use these controllers? Wouldn't be surprised if all of them did.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1613	Posted - 2014.12.22 14:59:00 - [14] - Quote EVERYONE READ THIS IMPORTANT NOTICE: The video http://youtu.be/vVo4m3jn5Qkdisplayed almost exclusively full auto weapons. It's important to realise those work differently to semi auto weapons in Dust. They have different safeguards and kick balancing. Full auto gets maximum firepower with trigger depressed. Semi auto weapon get maximum firepower thru autofire (or 'modded' controllers as some say). Semi auto weapon with autofire: - Benefits from autofire, but must be tuned to each weapons rof to reach maximum - CCP kick/dispersion model makes sure semi auto weps get nowadays kick/dis per shot, making the use of autofire a tradeoff. In most cases maximum autofire is uncontrollable, making burst autofire more sensible. - Under high framerate lag semi auto weapons are still unrealiable, autofire won't change that If full auto weapon uses autofire, the following happen: - True, the slowly building up kick/dispersion disappears - But the same can be reached by 'feathering' the trigger manually every once in a while - Feathering causes less loss of dps than autofire although the loss in both cases is slight or minimal - autofire combined with framerate lag gives full auto weakness which it usually don't have: inconsistent firepower, weapon loses it's superior functionality (like in low framerate PC matches) TLDR; Full auto weapons used with autofire have zero game balance problems as manual feathering gives the same advantage with less dps cost. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1189	Posted - 2014.12.22 15:10:00 - [15] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: TLDR; Full auto weapons used with autofire have zero game balance problems as manual feathering gives the same advantage with less dps cost. Wrong, first of all you dont have the same effect, you still have recoil if you do it manually, 2 you are actually doing it, it s not something mechanical doing it for you, without any effort for you. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6460	Posted - 2014.12.22 15:11:00 - [16] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: The video The video isn't mine. All the credit goes to my friend Corbina Ninja (Corby is his channel). The video tells everything, so, take a look at it, like it and bump this thread for visibility. This explains why Minmatar Nomad is so freakn OP sometimes. Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5515	Posted - 2014.12.22 15:34:00 - [17] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: TLDR; Full auto weapons used with autofire have zero game balance problems as manual feathering gives the same advantage with less dps cost. Wrong, first of all you dont have the same effect, you still have recoil if you do it manually, 2 you are actually doing it, it s not something mechanical doing it for you, without any effort for you. Yeah, I don't even know how someone could type that stuff with a straight face. 1) If you have skill and know how to feather the trigger perfectly you can get the same effect. 2) If you have a turbo controller set up properly you don't have to have any skill to get the same effect. Only4-5KDRpubbiesCanRunADV24/7\|PCplyrsRunPRO&smashSTD/MLTplyrs24/7. ThisIsHowIt'sAlwaysBeen,ThereforeMustStayThisWay.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 692	Posted - 2014.12.22 16:40:00 - [18] - Quote You dont need a modded controller to achieve that just retap like every 10 bullets R1 and the recoil resets to 0. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1193	Posted - 2014.12.22 16:55:00 - [19] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: You dont need a modded controller to achieve that just retap like every 10 bullets R1 and the recoil resets to 0. Again? Just because you can do it manually it doesn't mean it isnt an advantage,an advantage that you shouldnt have. What if for example a modded cobtroller could strafe for you? Would you say "you can do it with your left stick!"? What if a modded cobtroller could aim for you? Would you say" you can do the same with your right stick!"? One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 9218	Posted - 2014.12.22 17:07:00 - [20] - Quote Eh. Pretty bad video IMO AR and ACR results can be obtained through trigger discipline. Why would you even show the modded RR? AScR is actually WORSE with one. And I can fire faster than that ScR WITHOUT a modded controller. Skill OP plz nerf. Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family

Doshneil Antaro Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 314	Posted - 2014.12.22 17:16:00 - [21] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: You dont need a modded controller to achieve that just retap like every 10 bullets R1 and the recoil resets to 0. Again? Just because you can do it manually it doesn't mean it isnt an advantage,an advantage that you shouldnt have. What if for example a modded cobtroller could strafe for you? Would you say "you can do it with your left stick!"? What if a modded cobtroller could aim for you? Would you say" you can do the same with your right stick!"? Feathering the trigger is present in virtually any shooter that has kick. It takes thought and skill to still use vs modded controllers set forget and still benefit. Hell, I hate to compare it to RL, but the best way to control a full out weapon is to feather the trigger. Your sacrificing total dps vs accuracy, which still requires you to track your opponent, and to pull the trigger at the right time to land bullets on the target. That being said, mod control users need to be beat like pinatas. Sage /thread
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 2707	Posted - 2014.12.22 17:28:00 - [22] - Quote I don-¦t know how many times people have accused me of using a modded controller. Its a lot. I did try it once (not on my system) , I didn-¦t like it at all, I felt I lost too much control, the gun is sort of on or off, there is no middle ground. Modded controllers are for the less skilled players, I honestly don-¦t mind, I don-¦t see it as a threat at all. Spkr4theDead wrote: Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx 216	Posted - 2014.12.22 17:58:00 - [23] - Quote Who needs a modded controller? I just use an old atari joystick. I don't even hold it. I just sit it on the floor and yell at it and watch those +50s roll in. Dat skill bruh "In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane" Homer J Simpson
Monty Mole Clone Ametat Security Amarr Empire 265	Posted - 2014.12.22 18:27:00 - [24] - Quote the scram rifle has to much recoil, it clearly needs a buff sort this **** out ccp Jupiter's cock! It's a Mark VI... And we've got it by the ass!
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6530	Posted - 2014.12.22 18:35:00 - [25] - Quote I remember that before the BAR was powerful users would tap the trigger like a semi automatic to keep accurate at longer ranges. We never used modded controllers though. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 4008	Posted - 2014.12.22 18:38:00 - [26] - Quote Just because a few dbags use these controllers don't mean we all do.. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1429	Posted - 2014.12.22 19:14:00 - [27] - Quote This explains how people are able to gimp a heavy from 40+m with the combat rifle.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2988	Posted - 2014.12.22 19:25:00 - [28] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Just because a few dbags use these controllers don't mean we all do.. This. Be sure not to run out on a witch hunt for something that no one can really prove. It adds toxicity to an otherwise very neutral discussion on the possible or probable imbalance of certain input devices. The one that is most silly is the HMG. HMG with turbo button active, at least when I tested it over a friend's house 6+ months back, never climbed and had a severely reduced heat buildup while still firing at about the same rate of fire. The caveat is that the HMG reticule never got any smaller. Weapons with charges were never able to fire, as the video shows. Was certainly an interesting experiment. However, I do not believe it gives people a significant advantage. A gun being more stable through the entire ordeal helps but TTK in DUST is fairly low so the odds are you're going to drop your target before the recoil gets absolutely insane. It is why I use the ARR; the recoil is insane after about 20 rounds but most people are dead by then. The same might be true for these controllers. In truth, I didn't end up using it other than standing by a supply depot because the controller was a misshapen abomination that hurt my hands in the time it took to test various weapons. Seriously, the Gerousia would have thrown it from the mountains so whether or not it could turn mediocre me into some unstoppable killing machine is something I didn't test. Again, it is a bad idea to claim that "this weapon is good because of the controller!" or "this person uses it!" unless you have evidence of it. Said evidence would pretty much need to be a photo/video of them playing the game with the controller likely while rubbing their gloved hands together and laughing maniacally. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 116	Posted - 2014.12.22 19:31:00 - [29] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: Yes well that explains a lot of things I see happen in Dust everyday, I wonder how many of the so called elite players with massive kd ratios use these controllers? Wouldn't be surprised if all of them did. it is about 35% us it, 50% use M/KB, the rest (15%) use the normal non modded ds3 controller.
Doshneil Antaro Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 315	Posted - 2014.12.22 19:35:00 - [30] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: Yes well that explains a lot of things I see happen in Dust everyday, I wonder how many of the so called elite players with massive kd ratios use these controllers? Wouldn't be surprised if all of them did. it is about 35% us it, 50% use M/KB, the rest (15%) use the normal non modded ds3 controller. lol, M/KB, just lol. At one time maybe 15%, but aim assist pushed all infantry back to the controller minus a few ubers. Sage /thread

Boot Booter Titans of Phoenix 1092	Posted - 2014.12.22 19:38:00 - [31] - Quote jace silencerww wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: Yes well that explains a lot of things I see happen in Dust everyday, I wonder how many of the so called elite players with massive kd ratios use these controllers? Wouldn't be surprised if all of them did. it is about 35% us it, 50% use M/KB, the rest (15%) use the normal non modded ds3 controller. I highly doubt that is true. Cite your sources. Anyway nice video. Similar effect can be achieved by trigger feathering for full auto weapons. The issue is for semi autos and burst weapons. I've encountered several turbo controller users, usually using the scr. (easiest one to tell when used). I'm not sure what a fix would be but I'd really like one, it's just plain not fair.
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2318	Posted - 2014.12.22 20:21:00 - [32] - Quote Ya no overheat with AScR is BS. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3563	Posted - 2014.12.22 20:56:00 - [33] - Quote What I really want to see is if it affects hipfire. Fatal Absolution Director
pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1202	Posted - 2014.12.22 21:01:00 - [34] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: What I really want to see is if it affects hipfire. My friend doesn't play anymore so... Also: dont start screaming. With this thread I dont want to say that a lot of players use a turbo pad, I only wanted to show what happens with one. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 107	Posted - 2014.12.22 21:26:00 - [35] - Quote Using the Scientific Method. 1. I observed the video, because Global's Laboratory of Science and Reason does not own a modded controller to recreate, but I do have an Omega_Nox. 2. Formulate solutions based on my observation: A. I observed that the RR did not have this advantage: therefore to make it fair for cheaters that use the RR the charge up time must be removed from the RR. B. Remove kick and charge up time to make it fair for all users who "ONLY" use the RR without using a modded controller. C. Add a charge up time to ALL weapons in the game to fix the modded controller. I use an external amplifier with Audiotechnica headphones about $400.00 invested in audio, and I can hear a weapons such as the BK-42 with a modded controller.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5518	Posted - 2014.12.22 21:39:00 - [36] - Quote A true try hard would use the XIM or something similar to utilize macros to set up strafing key binds as well as rapid firing with the mouse. All with the same aim assist that DS3s use. Now I don't use m/kb and I've heard m/kb guys complain a lot about the slow response in Dust, but I've personally witnessed one of the top slayers in Dust using a matrix strafe and it was unbelievable. I witnessed 5 or more players shooting at him from relatively close range. He was crushing everyone. Moving back and forth at max speed in very small increments. I don't believe he would have done what he was doing in that pub in a PC battle or he'd have gotten called out. You CAN cheat (I've seen plenty of guys say that they don't believe it's cheating) and gain an edge and I don't think there is any doubt that it happens quite a bit. Only4-5KDRpubbiesCanRunADV24/7\|PCplyrsRunPRO&smashSTD/MLTplyrs24/7. ThisIsHowIt'sAlwaysBeen,ThereforeMustStayThisWay.
hfderrtgvcd 1655	Posted - 2014.12.22 21:48:00 - [37] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: A true try hard would use the XIM or something similar to utilize macros to set up strafing key binds as well as rapid firing with the mouse. All with the same aim assist that DS3s use. Now I don't use m/kb and I've heard m/kb guys complain a lot about the slow response in Dust, but I've personally witnessed one of the top slayers in Dust using a matrix strafe and it was unbelievable. I witnessed 5 or more players shooting at him from relatively close range. He was crushing everyone. Moving back and forth at max speed in very small increments. I don't believe he would have done what he was doing in that pub in a PC battle or he'd have gotten called out. You CAN cheat (I've seen plenty of guys say that they don't believe it's cheating) and gain an edge and I don't think there is any doubt that it happens quite a bit. who? You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1616	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:31:00 - [38] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: TLDR; Full auto weapons used with autofire have zero game balance problems as manual feathering gives the same advantage with less dps cost. Wrong, first of all you dont have the same effect, you still have recoil if you do it manually, 2 you are actually doing it, it s not something mechanical doing it for you, without any effort for you. True, manual work and player skill that feathering is and therefore there is not really a reason to try to fix it away. BUT If you feather manually, on any current weapon and it's CCP settings, if you do it correctly there is not any detectable amount of kick/d. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1616	Posted - 2014.12.22 23:50:00 - [39] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: You dont need a modded controller to achieve that just retap like every 10 bullets R1 and the recoil resets to 0. Yup, that's the 'feathering'. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 583	Posted - 2014.12.23 00:09:00 - [40] - Quote Oooooooh! Where's all the guys that swore I was making this up? I want to hear them now! F*cking scrubs! "Anybody order chaos?"

Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 583	Posted - 2014.12.23 00:24:00 - [41] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: pagl1u M wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: TLDR; Full auto weapons used with autofire have zero game balance problems as manual feathering gives the same advantage with less dps cost. Wrong, first of all you dont have the same effect, you still have recoil if you do it manually, 2 you are actually doing it, it s not something mechanical doing it for you, without any effort for you. True, manual work and player skill that feathering is and therefore there is not really a reason to try to fix it away. BUT If you feather manually, on any current weapon and it's CCP settings, if you do it correctly there is not any detectable amount of kick/d. And that's fine, but modded controllers IS cheating. Sad Part Is CCP won't fix it or can't. So I guess everybody needs to scrub it out huh. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 583	Posted - 2014.12.23 00:28:00 - [42] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: Yes well that explains a lot of things I see happen in Dust everyday, I wonder how many of the so called elite players with massive kd ratios use these controllers? Wouldn't be surprised if all of them did. They do. Not all, but a great many that just sprout up out of nowhere do. It's easy to notice the difference. "Min assault can't take down a heavy in cqc" my *ss! He can if he's doing this all day long! "Anybody order chaos?"
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1617	Posted - 2014.12.23 00:35:00 - [43] - Quote GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote: Using the Scientific Method. 1. I observed the video, because Global's Laboratory of Science and Reason does not own a modded controller to recreate, but I do have an Omega_Nox who is my personal aimbot. 2. Formulate solutions based on my observation: A. I observed that the RR did not have this advantage: therefore to make it fair for cheaters that use the RR the charge up time must be removed from the RR. B. Remove kick and charge up time to make it fair for all users who "ONLY" use the RR without using a modded controller. C. Add a charge up time to ALL weapons in the game to fix the modded controller. D. Add a charge up time to all weapons and fix the POS RR I use an external amplifier with Audiotechnica headphones about $400.00 invested in audio, and I can hear a weapon such as the BK-42 with a modded controller. Programmable mice, or any good programmable HID, can be programmed to circumvent the charge-up barrier. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 583	Posted - 2014.12.23 01:13:00 - [44] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Eh. Pretty bad video IMO AR and ACR results can be obtained through trigger discipline. Why would you even show the modded RR? AScR is actually WORSE with one. And I can fire faster than that ScR WITHOUT a modded controller. Skill OP plz nerf. And if you can that's skill! The modded controller IS cheating because while you're actually working for yours some cheating c*nt with no skills is giving himself an advantage?! The game is already difficult for new players to even fathom, and then you got scrubs making it impossible for them. No wonder no one stays. The fact that anyone feels they need to go this far is sad. Some of them are likely on the forums trolling guys like they're actually skilled when they truly are garbage. I guarantee this bs is being used by alot of so-called "top players". It's really sad to see this. For all you know they have killed you with it! "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 583	Posted - 2014.12.23 01:24:00 - [45] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: The video The video isn't mine. All the credit goes to my friend Corbina Ninja (Corby is his channel). The video tells everything, so, take a look at it, like it and bump this thread for visibility. Big ups to you for this bro! "Anybody order chaos?"
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4412	Posted - 2014.12.23 01:25:00 - [46] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: The video The video isn't mine. All the credit goes to my friend Corbina Ninja (Corby is his channel). The video tells everything, so, take a look at it, like it and bump this thread for visibility. Why do they even have them in this game I don't rage,I get even
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4412	Posted - 2014.12.23 01:26:00 - [47] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: Lovely. >.< What happened to Teamplayer? I don't rage,I get even
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5521	Posted - 2014.12.23 02:59:00 - [48] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: A true try hard would use the XIM or something similar to utilize macros to set up strafing key binds as well as rapid firing with the mouse. All with the same aim assist that DS3s use. Now I don't use m/kb and I've heard m/kb guys complain a lot about the slow response in Dust, but I've personally witnessed one of the top slayers in Dust using a matrix strafe and it was unbelievable. I witnessed 5 or more players shooting at him from relatively close range. He was crushing everyone. Moving back and forth at max speed in very small increments. I don't believe he would have done what he was doing in that pub in a PC battle or he'd have gotten called out. You CAN cheat (I've seen plenty of guys say that they don't believe it's cheating) and gain an edge and I don't think there is any doubt that it happens quite a bit. who? No chance I'd say who it was. It's not like they'd admit to it. Only4-5KDRpubbiesCanRunADV24/7\|PCplyrsRunPRO&smashSTD/MLTplyrs24/7. ThisIsHowIt'sAlwaysBeen,ThereforeMustStayThisWay.
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 116	Posted - 2014.12.29 12:45:00 - [49] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: jace silencerww wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: Yes well that explains a lot of things I see happen in Dust everyday, I wonder how many of the so called elite players with massive kd ratios use these controllers? Wouldn't be surprised if all of them did. it is about 35% us it, 50% use M/KB, the rest (15%) use the normal non modded ds3 controller. I highly doubt that is true. Cite your sources. Anyway nice video. Similar effect can be achieved by trigger feathering for full auto weapons. The issue is for semi autos and burst weapons. I've encountered several turbo controller users, usually using the scr. (easiest one to tell when used). I'm not sure what a fix would be but I'd really like one, it's just plain not fair. there are glitches that happen only for M/KB users. easy way though is the instant speed when strafing or vehicles.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2801	Posted - 2014.12.29 13:02:00 - [50] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: Yes well that explains a lot of things I see happen in Dust everyday, I wonder how many of the so called elite players with massive kd ratios use these controllers? Wouldn't be surprised if all of them did. Turbo controllers have worked like this since the Launch of Uprising when CCP Wolfman Completely overhauled the aiming, recoil/bloom and hit detection mechanics. To the collective hate from the community because it is so **** the job that was done. Compared to what we even had in a Beta. One of the first things we discovered was this with the TAC AR... We made 20 videos as proof for CCP... Plastered You-tube with videos showing off CCP Shanghai's ass to the world... And they just nerfed the TAC AR.... into the ground. When a Macro... A simple control input algorithm.... Can completely negate your entire Recoil and Bloom mechanics Some of the most crucial core mechanics to a FPS. Lighting and fancy Lens flares from the Sun? A WASTE OF FUKING TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....Where as Solid Core Mechanics like Recoil/Bloom, Hit detection, AIming mechanics, Frame rate, Physics, Collision mechanics, Terrain stickyness, net-code... These? Are things CCP Shanghai should be proud of... Show off... Their Core Mechanics... Not some fancy Lighting mechanic that ultimately is pointless without the stuff that matters being rock solid.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6037	Posted - 2014.12.29 13:02:00 - [51] - Quote Unfortunately again, CCP can't legally regulate home hardware Because for Sony to acknowledge cheating it has to be a modified client or a modified PS3 hardware. Is it scrubby? Yeah, yeah it's scrubby. Can CCP do anything other than try to mitigate it via game mechanics? No. No they can't. In other news I'm borrowing a xim to see just how much of a difference Aim Assist makes for the HMG. Tentatively thus far I gotta say... AA makes a LOT of difference. Who knew I was doing it wrong the whole time? Just for you ragey pubbies that lastpart was sarcasm. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2801	Posted - 2014.12.29 13:07:00 - [52] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Unfortunately again, CCP can't legally regulate home hardware Because for Sony to acknowledge cheating it has to be a modified client or a modified PS3 hardware. Is it scrubby? Yeah, yeah it's scrubby. Can CCP do anything other than try to mitigate it via game mechanics? No. No they can't. In other news I'm borrowing a xim to see just how much of a difference Aim Assist makes for the HMG. Tentatively thus far I gotta say... AA makes a LOT of difference. Who knew I was doing it wrong the whole time? Just for you ragey pubbies that lastpart was sarcasm. Console shooters have existed for longer then CCP has... Turbo controllers have existed Longer then CCP has. Yet this is only a problem here? So it isn't CCP's fault? Confused CCP had balanced peripherals..... then they added AA... Now a Mouse with an Emulator using Aim assist is completely unbalanced.. And a Controller stuck using AA regardless if it is turned off in the menu versus a Mouse not using an emulator and AA is completely unbalanced. GG CCP.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1851	Posted - 2014.12.29 13:24:00 - [53] - Quote John Psi wrote: And check this pls. Lol. 378? U suk. I get 425-450 when I'm relaxed. Thats just me normally firing. If I'm rally laying into it, which is rarely because its really hard to do that and aim at the same time, I'll get ~540ish. The role of Caldari suits is to whine on the forums.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1103	Posted - 2014.12.29 14:54:00 - [54] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: John Psi wrote: And check this pls. Lol. 378? U suk. I get 425-450 when I'm relaxed. Thats just me normally firing. If I'm rally laying into it, which is rarely because its really hard to do that and aim at the same time, I'll get ~540ish. But that's besides the point. Why should we balance the game around your shortcomings? What makes you the control subject? Hell, your speed is downright terrible. I wasn't even joking when I said that you suck. You ******* suck. An arthritic leper could fire faster than that, and so can 95% of the playerbase. I can fire faster than than in real life! And that involves a full trigger pull and real recoil, not a button press... Why should we punish 95% of players with crippling oversampling just because the 5%(you), can't get over their crippling scrubbery? In short, no. The 600 RoF stays. Period. I believe in your honesty. But you should understand that very few people can do what you can do. Thus, very few players will use hi ROF honestly. For the other hi ROF opens direct route to the use of macros/turbo controllers. Get ready for a meeting with three turbo/macro APEX "Opus" Assault. Please support fair play!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6040	Posted - 2014.12.29 15:27:00 - [55] - Quote Bethhy wrote: fault? Confused CCP had balanced peripherals..... then they added AA... Now a Mouse with an Emulator using Aim assist is completely unbalanced.. And a Controller stuck using AA regardless if it is turned off in the menu versus a Mouse not using an emulator and AA is completely unbalanced. GG CCP. Name a single FPS game that people cannot benefit from hardware or emulation scrubbery. There is not one single game in existence in the FPS genre that cannot give an advantage to a modded controller. There is nothing CCP can do to monitor the hardware one uses without modifying the PS3 or client. Doing so is ILLEGAL in most of the countries CCP does business with. The ONLY thing that can be done with it is tweaking the game rules to minimize the benefit. But this invariably screws actual players. So the game company has to strike a balance between the desire to neutralize the benefit and the desire to keep the game playable for everyone else. And before you say it running scripts to scan for hardware and software the company doesn't like is illegal as hell so unless some sh*tlord comes on the forums bragging about how he gets a 7 kdr and he uses x,y and z to do it there's nothing anyone can do to him. It skirts the edge of automating inputs but unlike things like isboxer and the various bot programs which can be picked out by pattern matching algorithms in the server, you cannot prove a person is cheating. Example: fizzer claims he can squeeze out 450 RPM with a fingrr. Do I buy it? Not even for a second. Can I prove he's lying? Nope. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1855	Posted - 2014.12.29 16:20:00 - [56] - Quote John Psi wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: John Psi wrote: And check this pls. Lol. 378? U suk. I get 425-450 when I'm relaxed. Thats just me normally firing. If I'm rally laying into it, which is rarely because its really hard to do that and aim at the same time, I'll get ~540ish. But that's besides the point. Why should we balance the game around your shortcomings? What makes you the control subject? Hell, your speed is downright terrible. I wasn't even joking when I said that you suck. You ******* suck. An arthritic leper could fire faster than that, and so can 95% of the playerbase. I can fire faster than than in real life! And that involves a full trigger pull and real recoil, not a button press... Why should we punish 95% of players with crippling oversampling just because the 5%(you), can't get over their crippling scrubbery? In short, no. The 600 RoF stays. Period. I believe in your honesty. But you should understand that very few people can do what you can do. Thus, very few players will use hi ROF honestly. For the other hi ROF opens direct route to the use of macros/turbo controllers. Get ready for a meeting with three turbo/macro APEX "Opus" Assault. I'm sorry for going off on you... But I've already had my favorite weapon ruined by getting its RoF severely cut. My Scrambler Pistol used to fire so smoothly and it was perfect. The old Scrambler Pistol is the main reason I push CCP so much for a Breach Scrambler Rifle, just in the hopes that it will somewhat resemble the Scrambler Pistol. Then they cut the RoF. By a lot. Its never felt the same since. Always oversampling. It went from a weapon that I adored, into a weapon that I simply cannot stand using, because of a severe RoF cut. Because oversampling. I absolutely hate oversampling. It makes an otherwise good weapon worthless to me. I love Semiautomatics. I really do. I always opt for them in any game. If ScRs and even TacARs were ruined like the Scrambler Pistol was, this game would just become worthless to me. The only thing I would have left is the Plasma Cannon. And that's always been a purely "fun" thing, never a serious weapon I use. So excuse me when I'm a little defensive about the last regular gun I even like, and my workhorse weapon no less, becoming trash. Just because a miniscule amount of people use modded controllers. I've never even seen people use modded controllers in this game tbh, so I'm really just taking the communities word on it... The role of Caldari suits is to whine on the forums.
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1103	Posted - 2014.12.29 17:02:00 - [57] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: John Psi wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: John Psi wrote: And check this pls. Lol. 378? U suk. I get 425-450 when I'm relaxed. Thats just me normally firing. If I'm rally laying into it, which is rarely because its really hard to do that and aim at the same time, I'll get ~540ish. But that's besides the point. Why should we balance the game around your shortcomings? What makes you the control subject? Hell, your speed is downright terrible. I wasn't even joking when I said that you suck. You ******* suck. An arthritic leper could fire faster than that, and so can 95% of the playerbase. I can fire faster than than in real life! And that involves a full trigger pull and real recoil, not a button press... Why should we punish 95% of players with crippling oversampling just because the 5%(you), can't get over their crippling scrubbery? In short, no. The 600 RoF stays. Period. I believe in your honesty. But you should understand that very few people can do what you can do. Thus, very few players will use hi ROF honestly. For the other hi ROF opens direct route to the use of macros/turbo controllers. Get ready for a meeting with three turbo/macro APEX "Opus" Assault. I'm sorry for going off on you... But I've already had my favorite weapon ruined by getting its RoF severely cut. My Scrambler Pistol used to fire so smoothly and it was perfect. The old Scrambler Pistol is the main reason I push CCP so much for a Breach Scrambler Rifle, just in the hopes that it will somewhat resemble the Scrambler Pistol. Then they cut the RoF. By a lot. Its never felt the same since. Always oversampling. It went from a weapon that I adored, into a weapon that I simply cannot stand using, because of a severe RoF cut. Because oversampling. I absolutely hate oversampling. It makes an otherwise good weapon worthless to me. I love Semiautomatics. I really do. I always opt for them in any game. If ScRs and even TacARs were ruined like the Scrambler Pistol was, this game would just become worthless to me. The only thing I would have left is the Plasma Cannon. And that's always been a purely "fun" thing, never a serious weapon I use. So excuse me when I'm a little defensive about the last regular gun I even like, and my workhorse weapon no less, becoming trash. Just because a miniscule amount of people use modded controllers. I've never even seen people use modded controllers in this game tbh, so I'm really just taking the communities word on it... np m8, pleased to discuss with you, rly. u never even seen people use modded controllers in this game? but... what about video onto first post? :) ok, I have more information for you. i play europian server, my average ping around 45ms during 12 hours (yesterday's graph) i'm not a lagger. Every f day I see people who kill heavys over 1k armor in cqc less than two seconds w/o assist. They use tactical rifles that scribbling as sewing machines Zinger. i'm play FPS over 20 years and I know whereof I speak. if something can be abused, there are people who abuse it. Please support fair play!
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 53	Posted - 2014.12.29 18:43:00 - [58] - Quote Is this what I get hate mail about with the "Nice Turbo control ******" when I use the ScR? Like serious is that what a 'Turbo' is? I never bothered to look it up. I can shoot faster than that thing any day... Guess my trigger finger is faster than yours & you are upset. You get recoil with the ScR if you shoot fast enough in ADS and don't know how to control it.. Boss pwease. Get gud at gam and me gun. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1651	Posted - 2014.12.29 20:12:00 - [59] - Quote ...In short: Terminology: Autofire is the real term as 'modded' implies rewired customised controller. Semi auto weapons: - USED TO be op with autofire - CCP tried to fix them with setting (nerfing) the maximum possible rate of fire. This made them near unusable - CCP refixed them with kick//dispersion depending on actual amount of fired shots - Semi auto weapons are in good place now regarding autofire Full auto weapons: - Has never been op with autofire - Have kick/d mechanics depending on trigger press time - kick/d can be minimised with either feathering or autofire - using feathering or autofire has a cost: loss of dps (or in some cases erratic firing behavior) - autofire has bigger cost on dps than feathering! That is the way it should be! Pro-choice! For hazardous self-activated inertial dampeners! We want to live on the edge (((of MCC)))
Ku Shala The Generals 1091	Posted - 2014.12.29 20:27:00 - [60] - Quote http://www.controllerchaos.com/modded-controllers.html if they can do that in cod and mw whats out there for dust? *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Burst RR should fire like a charge sniper

Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 231	Posted - 2014.12.30 00:02:00 - [61] - Quote $15 and a trip to Walmart will net you a Snakebyte ps3 controler with turbofire built in. Brand new and 1/4 of the price of a new DS3. While I hate turbo scramblers as much as the next guy, i'm tired of hearing "people pay ridiculous money for an unfair advantage" and "modifying a peripheral is completely wrong because I don't know how to do it". It's not like it takes tons of cash or mystical technowizardry to get a hold of a turbofire controller. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Salvation...through Annihilation
neausea 1987 1.U.P 230	Posted - 2014.12.30 00:55:00 - [62] - Quote turbo scrubs are my favorite, when you smack them enough they always leave batle or stay away from you lmao SELF PROCLAIMED LORD OF THE DANCE AND MASTER OF THE FLANK AND SPANK (no cloak required) i strive or perfection.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1680	Posted - 2015.01.06 16:15:00 - [63] - Quote Savage Mangler wrote: $15 and a trip to Walmart will net you a Snakebyte ps3 controler with turbofire built in. Brand new and 1/4 of the price of a new DS3. While I hate turbo scramblers as much as the next guy, i'm tired of hearing "people pay ridiculous money for an unfair advantage" and "modifying a peripheral is completely wrong because I don't know how to do it". It's not like it takes tons of cash or mystical technowizardry to get a hold of a turbofire controller. True. Autofire has been in controllers since the frigin' 1980's!!! It can be said that it it's pretty much standard, like having TWO separate buttons on a controller, fire A and fire B Pro-choice! For hazardous self-activated inertial dampeners! We want to live on the edge (((of MCC)))
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS 1418	Posted - 2015.01.06 16:22:00 - [64] - Quote Great. smh
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1678	Posted - 2015.01.06 16:32:00 - [65] - Quote If I worked at a gamestore, and someone bought a turbo controller, I would have to look them dead in the eyes and say "you're a piece of ****, you know that, right?". Go Here and vote! 1 like is 1 vote!
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1678	Posted - 2015.01.06 16:33:00 - [66] - Quote ITT People that are going to buy turbo controllers. Go Here and vote! 1 like is 1 vote!
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2943	Posted - 2015.01.06 17:26:00 - [67] - Quote lol what an absolute load of poo that is. I knew about rapid fire being used on things like the Tac AR and Scrambler but now they can negate the tiny bit of recoil that a few weapons have in this game? All of this and I struggle to even select my spawn in point with KB/M! Bugger this game. Vitantur Nothus wrote: Why hide a solution under frothy pile of derpa? MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Fizzer XCIV Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 2041	Posted - 2015.01.06 17:29:00 - [68] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: lol what an absolute load of poo that is. I knew about rapid fire being used on things like the Tac AR and Scrambler but now they can negate the tiny bit of recoil that a few weapons have in this game? All of this and I struggle to even select my spawn in point with KB/M! Bugger this game. Just so you know, there are mice that can do all of those things as well. They can even pretend to be DS3s to benefit from aim assistance at the same time. Home at Last <3
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1732	Posted - 2015.01.06 17:47:00 - [69] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: John Psi wrote: And check this pls. Lol. 378? U suk. I get 425-450 when I'm relaxed. Thats just me normally firing. this, I can easily press the button 10 times per second for a short time, that is the cap of the ScR ROF and 8.5 on average over 20 seconds, which is still damn near close to cap and is still more than you can get out of the CR dps wise (and btw, the fire delay is higher and brings the CR below listed 1200 RPM)


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