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pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
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Posted - 2014.12.22 13:28:00 -
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The video
The video isn't mine. All the credit goes to my friend Corbina Ninja (Corby is his channel).
The video tells everything, so, take a look at it, like it and bump this thread for visibility.
One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
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Zaria Min Deir
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
951
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Posted - 2014.12.22 13:33:00 -
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Lovely. >.<
Have you considered installing the improved keyboard?
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
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We are 138
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
581
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Posted - 2014.12.22 13:36:00 -
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Been like this for as long as I can remember. Either they(CCP) doesn't care, or its beyond their ability to fix.... I mean they can't even keep the severs online what do you really expect?
Hello? any one there?
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
1087
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Posted - 2014.12.22 13:36:00 -
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And check this pls.
Please support fair play!
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CrotchGrab 360
Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase
1709
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Posted - 2014.12.22 13:37:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:The videoThe video isn't mine. All the credit goes to my friend Corbina Ninja (Corby is his channel). The video tells everything, so, take a look at it, like it and bump this thread for visibility.
right, so the guy doesn't lag his ass off like I thought, he cheats.
Now I don't want to say "that guy killed me because he's cheating" I ALWAYS give people the benefit of the doubt.
But some people you are always on the very edge of calling a cheater, I always revert back to blaming it on my lag.
But now I know....and CCP won't fix this because I don't think there's anything they can do apart from
BAN THIS SEE YOU NEXT TUESDAY!
DUST VIDEOS
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Izlare Lenix
Pub Stars
1184
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Posted - 2014.12.22 13:52:00 -
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If you have to cheat in a video game to feel good about yourself your life must really suck ass.
Only losers and scrubs use modded controllers.
The only winner of WWIII will be the cockroaches.
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Cat Merc
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
14033
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Posted - 2014.12.22 13:58:00 -
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Next gen tactics #420blazeit skill.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Pushing Charlie
Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries
543
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:04:00 -
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I do this all the time! Always get a load of kills.
It's so much fun!
May we never forget his sacrifice
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Cody Sietz
Random Gunz
RISE of LEGION
4267
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:27:00 -
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I though the AScR overheated in 1.9?
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
5513
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:29:00 -
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The part I don't understand is the ROF being higher than humanly possible for SS and Burst weapons. If it cuts down on recoil for auto weapons I could live with that. I can't stand getting 1000 damage from a SCR in a few milliseconds.
Only4-5KDRpubbiesCanRunADV24/7|PCplyrsRunPRO&smashSTD/MLTplyrs24/7. ThisIsHowIt'sAlwaysBeen,ThereforeMustStayThisWay.
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
1088
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:34:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:The part I don't understand is the ROF being higher than humanly possible for SS and Burst weapons. If it cuts down on recoil for auto weapons I could live with that. I can't stand getting 1000 damage from a SCR in a few milliseconds.
Spetial 4 turbo and clicker users, imho.
Please support fair play!
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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
664
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:53:00 -
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10100111001
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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Spaceman-Rob
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
667
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:54:00 -
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Yes well that explains a lot of things I see happen in Dust everyday, I wonder how many of the so called elite players with massive kd ratios use these controllers? Wouldn't be surprised if all of them did. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1613
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:59:00 -
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EVERYONE READ THIS IMPORTANT NOTICE:
The video http://youtu.be/vVo4m3jn5Qkdisplayed almost exclusively full auto weapons.
It's important to realise those work differently to semi auto weapons in Dust.
They have different safeguards and kick balancing.
Full auto gets maximum firepower with trigger depressed.
Semi auto weapon get maximum firepower thru autofire (or 'modded' controllers as some say).
Semi auto weapon with autofire:
- Benefits from autofire, but must be tuned to each weapons rof to reach maximum
- CCP kick/dispersion model makes sure semi auto weps get nowadays kick/dis per shot, making the use of autofire a tradeoff. In most cases maximum autofire is uncontrollable, making burst autofire more sensible.
- Under high framerate lag semi auto weapons are still unrealiable, autofire won't change that
If full auto weapon uses autofire, the following happen:
- True, the slowly building up kick/dispersion disappears
- But the same can be reached by 'feathering' the trigger manually every once in a while
- Feathering causes less loss of dps than autofire although the loss in both cases is slight or minimal
- autofire combined with framerate lag gives full auto weakness which it usually don't have: inconsistent firepower, weapon loses it's superior functionality (like in low framerate PC matches)
TLDR; Full auto weapons used with autofire have zero game balance problems as manual feathering gives the same advantage with less dps cost.
People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
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pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
1189
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:10:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:
TLDR; Full auto weapons used with autofire have zero game balance problems as manual feathering gives the same advantage with less dps cost.
Wrong, first of all you dont have the same effect, you still have recoil if you do it manually, 2 you are actually doing it, it s not something mechanical doing it for you, without any effort for you.
One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
6460
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:11:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:The videoThe video isn't mine. All the credit goes to my friend Corbina Ninja (Corby is his channel). The video tells everything, so, take a look at it, like it and bump this thread for visibility.
This explains why Minmatar Nomad is so freakn OP sometimes.
Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
5515
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:34:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:
TLDR; Full auto weapons used with autofire have zero game balance problems as manual feathering gives the same advantage with less dps cost.
Wrong, first of all you dont have the same effect, you still have recoil if you do it manually, 2 you are actually doing it, it s not something mechanical doing it for you, without any effort for you.
Yeah, I don't even know how someone could type that stuff with a straight face.
1) If you have skill and know how to feather the trigger perfectly you can get the same effect.
2) If you have a turbo controller set up properly you don't have to have any skill to get the same effect.
Only4-5KDRpubbiesCanRunADV24/7|PCplyrsRunPRO&smashSTD/MLTplyrs24/7. ThisIsHowIt'sAlwaysBeen,ThereforeMustStayThisWay.
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Bright Cloud
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
692
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:40:00 -
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You dont need a modded controller to achieve that just retap like every 10 bullets R1 and the recoil resets to 0.
Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
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pagl1u M
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
1193
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:55:00 -
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Bright Cloud wrote:You dont need a modded controller to achieve that just retap like every 10 bullets R1 and the recoil resets to 0.
Again? Just because you can do it manually it doesn't mean it isnt an advantage,an advantage that you shouldnt have.
What if for example a modded cobtroller could strafe for you? Would you say "you can do it with your left stick!"?
What if a modded cobtroller could aim for you?
Would you say" you can do the same with your right stick!"?
One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
9218
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:07:00 -
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Eh. Pretty bad video IMO
AR and ACR results can be obtained through trigger discipline.
Why would you even show the modded RR?
AScR is actually WORSE with one.
And I can fire faster than that ScR WITHOUT a modded controller.
Skill OP plz nerf.
Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman.
Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe.
Nobody messes with my family
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Doshneil Antaro
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
314
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:16:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:You dont need a modded controller to achieve that just retap like every 10 bullets R1 and the recoil resets to 0. Again? Just because you can do it manually it doesn't mean it isnt an advantage,an advantage that you shouldnt have. What if for example a modded cobtroller could strafe for you? Would you say "you can do it with your left stick!"? What if a modded cobtroller could aim for you? Would you say" you can do the same with your right stick!"?
Feathering the trigger is present in virtually any shooter that has kick. It takes thought and skill to still use vs modded controllers set forget and still benefit. Hell, I hate to compare it to RL, but the best way to control a full out weapon is to feather the trigger. Your sacrificing total dps vs accuracy, which still requires you to track your opponent, and to pull the trigger at the right time to land bullets on the target.
That being said, mod control users need to be beat like pinatas.
Sage /thread
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
2707
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:28:00 -
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I don-¦t know how many times people have accused me of using a modded controller. Its a lot.
I did try it once (not on my system) , I didn-¦t like it at all, I felt I lost too much control, the gun is sort of on or off, there is no middle ground. Modded controllers are for the less skilled players, I honestly don-¦t mind, I don-¦t see it as a threat at all.
Spkr4theDead wrote:
Says the guy that was quitting the game because CCP were nerfing fused locus grenades.
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JUDASisMYhomeboy
xCosmic Voidx
216
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:58:00 -
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Who needs a modded controller? I just use an old atari joystick. I don't even hold it. I just sit it on the floor and yell at it and watch those +50s roll in.
Dat skill bruh
"In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane"
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Monty Mole Clone
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
265
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:27:00 -
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the scram rifle has to much recoil, it clearly needs a buff sort this **** out ccp
Jupiter's cock!
It's a Mark VI... And we've got it by the ass!
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6530
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:35:00 -
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I remember that before the BAR was powerful users would tap the trigger like a semi automatic to keep accurate at longer ranges. We never used modded controllers though.
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
4008
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:38:00 -
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Just because a few dbags use these controllers don't mean we all do..
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1429
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Posted - 2014.12.22 19:14:00 -
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This explains how people are able to gimp a heavy from 40+m with the combat rifle.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
2988
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Posted - 2014.12.22 19:25:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Just because a few dbags use these controllers don't mean we all do..
This. Be sure not to run out on a witch hunt for something that no one can really prove. It adds toxicity to an otherwise very neutral discussion on the possible or probable imbalance of certain input devices.
The one that is most silly is the HMG. HMG with turbo button active, at least when I tested it over a friend's house 6+ months back, never climbed and had a severely reduced heat buildup while still firing at about the same rate of fire. The caveat is that the HMG reticule never got any smaller. Weapons with charges were never able to fire, as the video shows. Was certainly an interesting experiment.
However, I do not believe it gives people a significant advantage. A gun being more stable through the entire ordeal helps but TTK in DUST is fairly low so the odds are you're going to drop your target before the recoil gets absolutely insane. It is why I use the ARR; the recoil is insane after about 20 rounds but most people are dead by then. The same might be true for these controllers.
In truth, I didn't end up using it other than standing by a supply depot because the controller was a misshapen abomination that hurt my hands in the time it took to test various weapons. Seriously, the Gerousia would have thrown it from the mountains so whether or not it could turn mediocre me into some unstoppable killing machine is something I didn't test.
Again, it is a bad idea to claim that "this weapon is good because of the controller!" or "this person uses it!" unless you have evidence of it. Said evidence would pretty much need to be a photo/video of them playing the game with the controller likely while rubbing their gloved hands together and laughing maniacally.
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jace silencerww
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
116
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Posted - 2014.12.22 19:31:00 -
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Spaceman-Rob wrote:Yes well that explains a lot of things I see happen in Dust everyday, I wonder how many of the so called elite players with massive kd ratios use these controllers? Wouldn't be surprised if all of them did.
it is about 35% us it, 50% use M/KB, the rest (15%) use the normal non modded ds3 controller. |
Doshneil Antaro
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
315
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Posted - 2014.12.22 19:35:00 -
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jace silencerww wrote:Spaceman-Rob wrote:Yes well that explains a lot of things I see happen in Dust everyday, I wonder how many of the so called elite players with massive kd ratios use these controllers? Wouldn't be surprised if all of them did. it is about 35% us it, 50% use M/KB, the rest (15%) use the normal non modded ds3 controller.
lol, M/KB, just lol. At one time maybe 15%, but aim assist pushed all infantry back to the controller minus a few ubers.
Sage /thread
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