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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.12.22 04:43:00 -
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Why. Why the hell does these things still exists.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3239
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Posted - 2014.12.22 04:46:00 -
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Because Gunlogis are invincible as ever.
"Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
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Hector Carson
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
122
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Posted - 2014.12.22 05:11:00 -
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Not really I have killed a Gunnlogi many times
My Corp fights for whoever has money, Primarily PC battles
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2669
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Posted - 2014.12.22 05:43:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Because Gunlogis are invincible as ever.
I hope you're not serious. I quit playing for a solid couple months, and I easily killed 4 with AV, and then JLAVed one at the end of a game, just to see if it still worked.
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2014.12.22 06:13:00 -
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And I just figured out you still exist.
Why. Why the hell hasn't a confessed killer been dealt with?
I am a minotaur.
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2669
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Posted - 2014.12.22 06:18:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:And I just figured out you still exist.
Why. Why the hell hasn't a confessed killer been dealt with?
The Fish Lord cannot be delt with.
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TheEnd762
SVER True Blood
681
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Posted - 2014.12.22 09:52:00 -
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Because HAVs can still cut and run, and/or have a heavy pop out with an HMG. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16210
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Posted - 2014.12.22 10:21:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Because Gunlogis are invincible as ever.
Yet I'm trying to fix Gunnlogi. What the **** are you doing about JLAV's?
*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
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pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1913
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Posted - 2014.12.22 10:34:00 -
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I still love my jlavs i also haven't really had a problem with them i blew one up thus morning as he was carrearing at me like a batout of hell jhe must have had help as I got 8 equipment destruction point messages as well lol.
Proud Caldari purist . Rank 10 colonel omiwarrior.
I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
5919
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Posted - 2014.12.22 10:43:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Because Gunlogis are invincible as ever. Yet I'm trying to fix Gunnlogi. What the **** are you doing about JLAV's?
JLAVs are love.
JLAVs are life.
And to the nerd saying gunnlogis are easy... Gunnlogis under 20 mil SP are easy. Let's not make any mistake.
25 mil gunlogis will take 2-3 AV to bring down because of just how heavily they can be tanked.
Upper end gunnlogis are out of balance.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16210
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Posted - 2014.12.22 10:52:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:True Adamance wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Because Gunlogis are invincible as ever. Yet I'm trying to fix Gunnlogi. What the **** are you doing about JLAV's? JLAVs are love. JLAVs are life. And to the nerd saying gunnlogis are easy... Gunnlogis under 20 mil SP are easy. Let's not make any mistake. 25 mil gunlogis will take 2-3 AV to bring down because of just how heavily they can be tanked. Upper end gunnlogis are out of balance.
Yeah they are and Ill be the first to admit that..... but one broken mechanic should not be widely accepted as a positive thing in order to beat the other. JLAV are almost 0 risk for massive potential reward.
Honestly when Rattati speaks of bringing back Marauder, etc I can see why some pilots want them to be OP..... who the **** wants to play a 1.5-3.0 million ISK HAV when a douche bag with less than 50K ISK can instantly wreck you with little to no effort.
*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
5920
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Posted - 2014.12.22 11:10:00 -
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Not arguing the point. But until a 1v1 between AV/V is only mildly stacked in the favor of vehicles rather than an obnoxious pendulum there is a place for the JLAV.
But given that it can take two full magazines to breach a gunnlogi this is not currently the case. Especially with the HMG sentinel drivers poptarting.
Maddies are more sane at one full magazine (don't miss) you still have the sentinel poptart.
Until these issues are fixed I will support keeping JLAVs on the field.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
558
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Posted - 2014.12.22 12:03:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Why. Why the hell does these things still exists.
Because it's a fun example of emergent gameplay. |
Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
149
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Posted - 2014.12.22 12:31:00 -
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TheEnd762 wrote:Because HAVs can still cut and run, and/or have a heavy pop out with an HMG.
Because scrubs like this ^ need it as a crutch
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2669
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:41:00 -
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TheEnd762 wrote:Because HAVs can still cut and run, and/or have a heavy pop out with an HMG.
So on every last engagement, if you have AV, you EXPECT to kill a HAV. No, making it go into hiding basically making that person useless on the field is not good enough, right?
Go cry me a river. Also, teamwork is OP, deal with it.
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2669
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:42:00 -
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Sole Fenychs wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Why. Why the hell does these things still exists. Because it's a fun example of emergent gameplay.
Don't give me this bullshit. If that's the case, DS crushing would still be a thing. What happened to that?
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2669
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:43:00 -
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Slave of MORTE wrote:TheEnd762 wrote:Because HAVs can still cut and run, and/or have a heavy pop out with an HMG. Because scrubs like this ^ need it as a crutch
lol
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2669
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:46:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:I still love my jlavs i also haven't really had a problem with them i blew one up thus morning as he was carrearing at me like a batout of hell jhe must have had help as I got 8 equipment destruction point messages as well lol.
I have had a almost 100% kill rate with the things, and I haven't lost a dime. That is bullshit. There is no way to slice that. On top of that, unless you are a complete idiot, evading a HAV's shots at you, and hitting the target is very easy.
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2669
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:51:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Not arguing the point. But until a 1v1 between AV/V is only mildly stacked in the favor of vehicles rather than an obnoxious pendulum there is a place for the JLAV.
But given that it can take two full magazines to breach a gunnlogi this is not currently the case. Especially with the HMG sentinel drivers poptarting.
Maddies are more sane at one full magazine (don't miss) you still have the sentinel poptart.
Until these issues are fixed I will support keeping JLAVs on the field.
I use a couple fluxes on a Maddy, then swarmed him got him almost dead in one mag, and then threw a RE at it. That took a solid 30 seconds, give or take. . You're doing it wrong somehow (not hitting the weak point and shooting at a Gunnlogi, especially when it's hardened would be doing it wrong).
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2669
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:52:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:True Adamance wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Because Gunlogis are invincible as ever. Yet I'm trying to fix Gunnlogi. What the **** are you doing about JLAV's? JLAVs are love. JLAVs are life. And to the nerd saying gunnlogis are easy... Gunnlogis under 20 mil SP are easy. Let's not make any mistake. 25 mil gunlogis will take 2-3 AV to bring down because of just how heavily they can be tanked. Upper end gunnlogis are out of balance.
No, they are still easy. You're just, as I said before, doing it wrong.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
5101
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:52:00 -
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Simply put, because it's valid gameplay.
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2669
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:54:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Simply put, because it's valid gameplay.
Already explained to you why it is not.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4068
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:36:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Simply put, because it's valid gameplay.
It's not valid if it takes a **** on risk/reward balance. That would be like saying that in EVE I should be able to ram a Marauder Battleship with my Rookie ship and blow it up.
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
3492
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:47:00 -
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I've always been against Jlav, but if you call a tank just to camp in your redline you actually deserve it.
Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:15:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:True Adamance wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Because Gunlogis are invincible as ever. Yet I'm trying to fix Gunnlogi. What the **** are you doing about JLAV's? JLAVs are love. JLAVs are life. And to the nerd saying gunnlogis are easy... Gunnlogis under 20 mil SP are easy. Let's not make any mistake. 25 mil gunlogis will take 2-3 AV to bring down because of just how heavily they can be tanked. Upper end gunnlogis are out of balance. No, they are still easy. You're just, as I said before, doing it wrong.
Correct they are easy almost as easy as back in the day where I alone could keep most pubs clean of anything
This is getting ridiculous again ..i hope ccp buffs vehicles and removes JLAVs soon
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2670
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:32:00 -
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Slave of MORTE wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:True Adamance wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Because Gunlogis are invincible as ever. Yet I'm trying to fix Gunnlogi. What the **** are you doing about JLAV's? JLAVs are love. JLAVs are life. And to the nerd saying gunnlogis are easy... Gunnlogis under 20 mil SP are easy. Let's not make any mistake. 25 mil gunlogis will take 2-3 AV to bring down because of just how heavily they can be tanked. Upper end gunnlogis are out of balance. No, they are still easy. You're just, as I said before, doing it wrong. Correct they are easy almost as easy as back in the day where I alone could keep most pubs clean of anything This is getting ridiculous again ..i hope ccp fixes vehicles and removes JLAVs soon
Fixed
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Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2670
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:33:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:I've always been against Jlav, but if you call a tank just to camp in your redline you actually deserve it.
If you're actually in the redline, you deserve to get EVE OB'ed
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Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
558
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:53:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Simply put, because it's valid gameplay. It's not valid if it takes a **** on risk/reward balance. That would be like saying that in EVE I should be able to ram a Marauder Battleship with my Rookie ship and blow it up. Running up and putting remotes directly on an HAV? Risky, postentially costly, high reward. Valid Gameplay. Setting up a minefield? Not as risky, not as rewarding due to ease of avoidance, moderate reward. Valid Gameplay. Strapping remotes to a free LAV, swapping to a cheaper suit, ramming an enemy HAV. Low risk, low cost, high reward. Bullshit Gameplay. Don't sit there and tell me "It's a valid tactic" when it completely disregards the core principle of a game like this. You should know better than that, Xel.
This is not an argument against JLAVS.
It is, however, a good argument against free LAVs.
JLAV is FULL risk, by virtue of costing you an entire fitting (generally around the 40k mark) and having a possibility of failing.
LAV handling isn't exactly the best in the game. You can die by driving out too early or too late or by missing the tank or by having AV randomly shoot at you... Or by hitting a random rock.
And if you want to raise your probability of success, you need to dish out money for some additional LAV modules, like nitro.
It's the incarnation of risk/reward. You make your death inevitable and use it to do a lot of damage.
Hell, the HAV driver has an easier time escaping than the LAV driver. If they see the hit coming but can't counter anymore, they can just let their fatsuit teleport out of the vehicle.
JLAV is the vehicle version of sniping, with the difference that you can't hide behind the redline or even any cover at all. |
Godin Thekiller
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
2670
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Posted - 2014.12.22 17:59:00 -
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Sole Fenychs wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Simply put, because it's valid gameplay. It's not valid if it takes a **** on risk/reward balance. That would be like saying that in EVE I should be able to ram a Marauder Battleship with my Rookie ship and blow it up. Running up and putting remotes directly on an HAV? Risky, postentially costly, high reward. Valid Gameplay. Setting up a minefield? Not as risky, not as rewarding due to ease of avoidance, moderate reward. Valid Gameplay. Strapping remotes to a free LAV, swapping to a cheaper suit, ramming an enemy HAV. Low risk, low cost, high reward. Bullshit Gameplay. Don't sit there and tell me "It's a valid tactic" when it completely disregards the core principle of a game like this. You should know better than that, Xel. This is not an argument against JLAVS. It is, however, a good argument against free LAVs. JLAV is FULL risk, by virtue of costing you an entire fitting (generally around the 40k mark) and having a possibility of failing. LAV handling isn't exactly the best in the game. You can die by driving out too early or too late or by missing the tank or by having AV randomly shoot at you... Or by hitting a random rock. And if you want to raise your probability of success, you need to dish out money for some additional LAV modules, like nitro. It's the incarnation of risk/reward. You make your death inevitable and use it to do a lot of damage. Hell, the HAV driver has an easier time escaping than the LAV driver. If they see the hit coming but can't counter anymore, they can just let their fatsuit teleport out of the vehicle. JLAV is the vehicle version of sniping, with the difference that you can't hide behind the redline or even any cover at all.
Put RE's inside LAV
switch suits
uses a free LAV
Just broke the system. Quiet.
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
2903
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Posted - 2014.12.22 18:22:00 -
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They are literally zero risk.
Step One: Call in one of the craploads of BPO LAVs, some still available for purchase.
Step Two: Lay a crapload of REs on the thing.
Step Three: Swap to a Logistics APEX suit so you still have all of your bajillions of REs active.
Step Four: Enjoy your literally free bomb that can take out even Supply Depots (I would know, I've done it).
Anyone who has complained about dropship crushing or the old super-cloaked super-aware super-tanked shotgun scouts of old chucking frisbee-REs have absolutely no business defending a garbage mechanic such as JLAVs
And I'll be damned if I've ever considered JLAVs hard to pull off, I've done it numerous times, and it's stupid easy.
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Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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