Because Gunlogis are invincible as ever.

And I just figured out you still exist.

Why. Why the hell hasn't a confessed killer been dealt with?

Because HAVs can still cut and run, and/or have a heavy pop out with an HMG.

Because it's a fun example of emergent gameplay.

Because scrubs like this ^ need it as a crutch

I still love my jlavs i also haven't really had a problem with them i blew one up thus morning as he was carrearing at me like a batout of hell jhe must have had help as I got 8 equipment destruction point messages as well lol.

Not arguing the point. But until a 1v1 between AV/V is only mildly stacked in the favor of vehicles rather than an obnoxious pendulum there is a place for the JLAV.

But given that it can take two full magazines to breach a gunnlogi this is not currently the case. Especially with the HMG sentinel drivers poptarting.

Maddies are more sane at one full magazine (don't miss) you still have the sentinel poptart.

Until these issues are fixed I will support keeping JLAVs on the field.

JLAVs are love.

JLAVs are life.

And to the nerd saying gunnlogis are easy... Gunnlogis under 20 mil SP are easy. Let's not make any mistake.

25 mil gunlogis will take 2-3 AV to bring down because of just how heavily they can be tanked.

Upper end gunnlogis are out of balance.

Simply put, because it's valid gameplay.

Correct they are easy almost as easy as back in the day where I alone could keep most pubs clean of anything

This is getting ridiculous again ..i hope ccp fixes vehicles and removes JLAVs soon

I've always been against Jlav, but if you call a tank just to camp in your redline you actually deserve it.

This is not an argument against JLAVS.
It is, however, a good argument against free LAVs.

JLAV is FULL risk, by virtue of costing you an entire fitting (generally around the 40k mark) and having a possibility of failing.
LAV handling isn't exactly the best in the game. You can die by driving out too early or too late or by missing the tank or by having AV randomly shoot at you... Or by hitting a random rock.

And if you want to raise your probability of success, you need to dish out money for some additional LAV modules, like nitro.

It's the incarnation of risk/reward. You make your death inevitable and use it to do a lot of damage.
Hell, the HAV driver has an easier time escaping than the LAV driver. If they see the hit coming but can't counter anymore, they can just let their fatsuit teleport out of the vehicle.

JLAV is the vehicle version of sniping, with the difference that you can't hide behind the redline or even any cover at all.

I just realize I commented without answering your original question. Yes, dropships should be able to crush things, so long as the damage is mutual and they show up on radar like a Christmas tree. (Merry Christmas, btw.)

With respect to tank balance, I favor slower, more ehp, more expensive tanks. I have trouble feeling bad for tankers whose losses are cheaper than mine when I go AV. Tanks should be end-game force multipliers for well coordinated teams; not newb-friendly hot rods with a get out of trouble nitro button. Any tanker who gets in nade range of two or three enemy AV infantry should die if he isn't accompanied by friendly anti-personnel infantry. Solo tankers speeding around the map are every bit as cheesy as JLAVs.

So in that case it would take 6-7 people in order to pull that off. About how much would it take for a single person to perform the same job?

The tears here are almost as good as last year's.

Let me see if I understand your argument.

You want tanks/AV balanced so that instead of being easy, its somewhat more difficult to kill a tanker who lingers right next to AV infantry for 30 seconds?

If the game were balanced for that circumstance, it would be impossible to kill tankers who don't linger next to AV infantry.

That has very little to do with improving tank/AV balance. I'd support removing JLAVs from the game, as soon as AV infantry has a way to counter tanks just driving away from any troublesome infantry. The JLAVs are used, because there's no other way to catch or trap good tankers, the ones who use their superior mobility. Introduce webber AV nades, webber swarms, or webber plasma cannons, or make flux nades briefly slow tanks down to scout sprinting speeds, ANYTHING to (not take away completely, but) counter the ability of tankers to just drive away from AV infantry, and no one will need to resort to JLAVs to deal with more competent tankers.

I agree that BPOs, that are actually useful as AV, aren't a great way to achieve balance. But currently, they might be the only way to catch good tankers, i.e. the ones that don't just sit there letting AV infantry hose them. Maybe CCP has the numbers on forge/swarm fits lost vs. tanks lost, so that they understand that the balance is better with JLAVs than it would be without them. How can we know? Perhaps CCP will share those numbers with us.

This late into the game and people still care about ISK Price?

JLAVs could cost 100mil ISK and it would still kill you. Gameplay wise you'd still be unaffected by how much ISK was spent on the JLAV so what's the point in complaining about it?

Just because no one ever said I have to doesn't mean I can't or Won't.

Killing HAVs is as valid gameplay as the drive away return drive away WP farming Yo yo.

It's just that one of them actually kills the nerd behind the wheel. Which is the objective. You just have to go through a glacis plate to do it.

this is what people fail to realize when they bang the ISK spent drum.

a 20m Interceptor or assault ship hull can spend maybe 10-15 more million to create a solid murder fit in Null and go find a Battleship (which is usually poorly equipped to handle fast moving interceptors) that is engaged, tackle and tear it down piece by piece. Bonus points if you're in an amarr assault ship neuting it to death.

Average T2 fit Battleship: 450-600m ISK

You got ganked for the cost of your ammo for three days.

And tanks usually die as a consequence of multiple people using their AV fits, which have a combined cost that routinely exceeds the value of the tank. Comparing the cost of your single AV fit, which has almost no chance of killing a well driven tank without cooperation from the rest of your team, isn't a useful comparison. If 4 or 5 people have to use AV fits to get 3 or 4 of them in position to do damage quickly enough to kill a good tank driver, the cost of all their fits is properly compared against the cost of the tank.

The way to fix your argument is to present a balanced solution that works against tankers that aren't lousy, i.e. tanks that don't get chased down and cornered by a lone AV infantry.