DUST Search - minmatar scouts need a slight buff

Radec fett wrote:

The minmatar scout, this suit fills the role of an assassin, but with the recent updates regarding ewar, the minmatar scouts role has gotten a lot harder due to the fact that if u are 6 to 10m of your target they will detect u. Now this wouldn't be a problem to the other-áscouts but to the minmatar scout that runs knifes that need to be charged to atleast down most adv. suits, it is a problem, some ppl would say: "thats enough time for u to kill them" when in reality its a lot harder. Sure u can kill a distracted target but a target thats running around or not engaging any targets will most of the time see u on their radar due to the fact that u need to be 2.50m to land a nova knife hit, now I normally run damps but now u need at least 1 complex dampener and an extra basic dampener to remain invisible to most targets, this is bad for the minmatar scout because we already have the lowest ehp and a high risk role, and now we need to give up another slot to be able to accomplish this CQC role properly.

In the past there have been multiple threads about giving the minmatar scout a dampening bonus, this probably means giving up one of our current bonuses which are hacking speed and nk damage bonus, I like both of these bonuses but I feel like the minmatar needs to exchange that hacking speed for a dampening bonus this will help by allowing to get close while not being detected.

The new ewar system is great, but I feel that the minmatar scout needs to be looked at. For a scout with a shotgun, getting close to its target and attacking it isn't a problem because the shotgun has more range and doesn't need to charged in any way like the nova knifes.

The minmatar scout is the least used scout according to multiple threads, so we got the threads that say they are the least used scouts and the threads that say they need a buff, what else do u need to realize that they need to be looked at CCP?

Lets keep this thread on topic pls and look for ways to make this dropsuit's role more efficient.

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Radec fett 4	Posted - 2014.12.21 19:02:00 - [1] - Quote The minmatar scout, this suit fills the role of an assassin, but with the recent updates regarding ewar, the minmatar scouts role has gotten a lot harder due to the fact that if u are 6 to 10m of your target they will detect u. Now this wouldn't be a problem to the other-áscouts but to the minmatar scout that runs knifes that need to be charged to atleast down most adv. suits, it is a problem, some ppl would say: "thats enough time for u to kill them" when in reality its a lot harder. Sure u can kill a distracted target but a target thats running around or not engaging any targets will most of the time see u on their radar due to the fact that u need to be 2.50m to land a nova knife hit, now I normally run damps but now u need at least 1 complex dampener and an extra basic dampener to remain invisible to most targets, this is bad for the minmatar scout because we already have the lowest ehp and a high risk role, and now we need to give up another slot to be able to accomplish this CQC role properly. In the past there have been multiple threads about giving the minmatar scout a dampening bonus, this probably means giving up one of our current bonuses which are hacking speed and nk damage bonus, I like both of these bonuses but I feel like the minmatar needs to exchange that hacking speed for a dampening bonus this will help by allowing to get close while not being detected. The new ewar system is great, but I feel that the minmatar scout needs to be looked at. For a scout with a shotgun, getting close to its target and attacking it isn't a problem because the shotgun has more range and doesn't need to charged in any way like the nova knifes. The minmatar scout is the least used scout according to multiple threads, so we got the threads that say they are the least used scouts and the threads that say they need a buff, what else do u need to realize that they need to be looked at CCP? Lets keep this thread on topic pls and look for ways to make this dropsuit's role more efficient. All u will see is 2 slashes across your screen only to realize you have been killed by me,the minmatar scout with knives
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 1474	Posted - 2014.12.21 19:15:00 - [2] - Quote The best way to buff the Minmatar Scout would be to reduce the PG usage of Kinetic Catalyzers. Someone's gotta tell the stupids that their ideas are bad, and I guess it's my job...
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4836	Posted - 2014.12.21 19:27:00 - [3] - Quote No... no they don't (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1342	Posted - 2014.12.21 20:26:00 - [4] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: No... no they don't Amarr scum. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Iron Toast Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2014.12.22 20:30:00 - [5] - Quote I'd rather have a slight speed boost so they are the fastest. Gallente can be faster right now.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6768	Posted - 2014.12.22 20:35:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Toast wrote: I'd rather have a slight speed boost so they are the fastest. Gallente can be faster right now. They can't, but I think the difference is like 0.1 or 0.01 so its negligible. The problem is that being faster has always been called "game breaking." As a Minja for almost 2 years, at this point I would like to see some of the things that really need fixing to be fixed, and then we will have a better understanding of where we are, and what we can adjust on the Minmatar Scout so that it performs better without being over powered. If there is one thing I hate more than being UP its being FotM. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Iron Toast Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2014.12.22 21:17:00 - [7] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Iron Toast wrote: I'd rather have a slight speed boost so they are the fastest. Gallente can be faster right now. They can't, but I think the difference is like 0.1 or 0.01 so its negligible. The problem is that being faster has always been called "game breaking." As a Minja for almost 2 years, at this point I would like to see some of the things that really need fixing to be fixed, and then we will have a better understanding of where we are, and what we can adjust on the Minmatar Scout so that it performs better without being over powered. If there is one thing I hate more than being UP its being FotM. Protofits gives the gallente scout 11.11 m/s and the min scout 10.87 m/s max. That's four kincats on the gal and 3 on the min. I haven't run the gal, so I don't know if the difference is actually noticible.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1134	Posted - 2014.12.23 03:29:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Toast wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Iron Toast wrote: I'd rather have a slight speed boost so they are the fastest. Gallente can be faster right now. They can't, but I think the difference is like 0.1 or 0.01 so its negligible. The problem is that being faster has always been called "game breaking." As a Minja for almost 2 years, at this point I would like to see some of the things that really need fixing to be fixed, and then we will have a better understanding of where we are, and what we can adjust on the Minmatar Scout so that it performs better without being over powered. If there is one thing I hate more than being UP its being FotM. Protofits gives the gallente scout 11.11 m/s and the min scout 10.87 m/s max. u wot m8? Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Talon Paetznick II Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 73	Posted - 2014.12.23 04:18:00 - [9] - Quote slap an extra 1% move and sprint speed (per level) on min scout operation basicly level five = basic kin I am scout and the bane of heavys since 1.6
Hector Carson Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 123	Posted - 2014.12.23 04:20:00 - [10] - Quote Radec fett wrote: The minmatar scout, this suit fills the role of an assassin, but with the recent updates regarding ewar, the minmatar scouts role has gotten a lot harder due to the fact that if u are 6 to 10m of your target they will detect u. Now this wouldn't be a problem to the other-áscouts but to the minmatar scout that runs knifes that need to be charged to atleast down most adv. suits, it is a problem, some ppl would say: "thats enough time for u to kill them" when in reality its a lot harder. Sure u can kill a distracted target but a target thats running around or not engaging any targets will most of the time see u on their radar due to the fact that u need to be 2.50m to land a nova knife hit, now I normally run damps but now u need at least 1 complex dampener and an extra basic dampener to remain invisible to most targets, this is bad for the minmatar scout because we already have the lowest ehp and a high risk role, and now we need to give up another slot to be able to accomplish this CQC role properly. In the past there have been multiple threads about giving the minmatar scout a dampening bonus, this probably means giving up one of our current bonuses which are hacking speed and nk damage bonus, I like both of these bonuses but I feel like the minmatar needs to exchange that hacking speed for a dampening bonus this will help by allowing to get close while not being detected. The new ewar system is great, but I feel that the minmatar scout needs to be looked at. For a scout with a shotgun, getting close to its target and attacking it isn't a problem because the shotgun has more range and doesn't need to charged in any way like the nova knifes. The minmatar scout is the least used scout according to multiple threads, so we got the threads that say they are the least used scouts and the threads that say they need a buff, what else do u need to realize that they need to be looked at CCP? Lets keep this thread on topic pls and look for ways to make this dropsuit's role more efficient. I may be a scout hater, but I have to agree Minmatars do need a little bit of a slight buff there getting too easy to kill lately My Corp fights for whoever has money, Primarily PC battles

Kuruld Sengar Kuruld Galain 87	Posted - 2014.12.23 04:32:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Toast wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Iron Toast wrote: I'd rather have a slight speed boost so they are the fastest. Gallente can be faster right now. They can't, but I think the difference is like 0.1 or 0.01 so its negligible. The problem is that being faster has always been called "game breaking." As a Minja for almost 2 years, at this point I would like to see some of the things that really need fixing to be fixed, and then we will have a better understanding of where we are, and what we can adjust on the Minmatar Scout so that it performs better without being over powered. If there is one thing I hate more than being UP its being FotM. Protofits gives the gallente scout 11.11 m/s and the min scout 10.87 m/s max. That's four kincats on the gal and 3 on the min. I haven't run the gal, so I don't know if the difference is actually noticible. 11.12 on the min scout...
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1134	Posted - 2014.12.23 10:01:00 - [12] - Quote I think the best way to buff minnie scouts is to give them a higher base sprint speed. Just make it a little easier to reach the speed cap, or at least to get closer to it. Having to only fit 2 complex kincats to hit the speed cap as opposed to 3 would be a godsend, and it would help scouts that run ewar a ton as well. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 150	Posted - 2014.12.23 12:44:00 - [13] - Quote Doesn't need a buff your crazy Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1389	Posted - 2014.12.23 13:49:00 - [14] - Quote * Reduce PG requirements of KinCats and Codebreakers * Reduce backpedal speed from 100% of forward movement speed
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 459	Posted - 2014.12.23 15:04:00 - [15] - Quote More speed...just more. They have way less ehp, so they need to be faster. I may not have a mic, but trust me, you NEED me in your squad if you want to win. When I'm on a roll, I'm unstoppable.
Kaeru Nayiri OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 384	Posted - 2014.12.23 17:41:00 - [16] - Quote I honestly do not think Min Scout needs any buffs other than a reduction of back peddle speed across the board. Don't touch cpu or pg of the suit or any mods or give it any extra speed or shield or armor or bonus. Just reduce back peddle speed across the board and never touch the min scout again. Just my opinion !
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 763	Posted - 2014.12.23 17:47:00 - [17] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: * Reduce PG requirements of KinCats and Codebreakers * Lower backpedal speed from 100% of forward movement speed Honestly if players just had lower backpedal speed than that's all that would be needed to make Minjas more viable. You don't need to charge your swings on suits that are aware of you just keep swinging and if they can't backpedal at 100% it should become much easier. Charging is for people not paying attention as you could hear knives being charged even before the scan update. I know I always spin around the second I hear a knife charge, often times to finding a teammate trolling me...
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 695	Posted - 2014.12.23 17:51:00 - [18] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Iron Toast wrote: I'd rather have a slight speed boost so they are the fastest. Gallente can be faster right now. They can't, but I think the difference is like 0.1 or 0.01 so its negligible. The problem is that being faster has always been called "game breaking." As a Minja for almost 2 years, at this point I would like to see some of the things that really need fixing to be fixed, and then we will have a better understanding of where we are, and what we can adjust on the Minmatar Scout so that it performs better without being over powered. If there is one thing I hate more than being UP its being FotM. This is my biggest worry about a minja buff. They will got too far hen we see the nerf hammer. I'm already starting to worry about my min assault. Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 695	Posted - 2014.12.23 17:56:00 - [19] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: * Reduce PG requirements of KinCats and Codebreakers * Lower backpedal speed from 100% of forward movement speed This would buff all suits and not just the minja Would be better to increase minja's PG and speed Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 764	Posted - 2014.12.23 17:59:00 - [20] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Iron Toast wrote: I'd rather have a slight speed boost so they are the fastest. Gallente can be faster right now. They can't, but I think the difference is like 0.1 or 0.01 so its negligible. The problem is that being faster has always been called "game breaking." As a Minja for almost 2 years, at this point I would like to see some of the things that really need fixing to be fixed, and then we will have a better understanding of where we are, and what we can adjust on the Minmatar Scout so that it performs better without being over powered. If there is one thing I hate more than being UP its being FotM. This is my biggest worry about a minja buff. They will got too far hen we see the nerf hammer. I'm already starting to worry about my min assault. Why would you have to worry about the min assault? It's flexible but that's not OP. It excels at nothing but a slight speed buff. It's not our fault if Gallente, Caldari, and Amarr slap on several armor plates to make themselves slow. They can use ferroscale just like us.

Iron Toast Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2014.12.23 18:25:00 - [21] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Iron Toast wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Iron Toast wrote: I'd rather have a slight speed boost so they are the fastest. Gallente can be faster right now. They can't, but I think the difference is like 0.1 or 0.01 so its negligible. The problem is that being faster has always been called "game breaking." As a Minja for almost 2 years, at this point I would like to see some of the things that really need fixing to be fixed, and then we will have a better understanding of where we are, and what we can adjust on the Minmatar Scout so that it performs better without being over powered. If there is one thing I hate more than being UP its being FotM. Protofits gives the gallente scout 11.11 m/s and the min scout 10.87 m/s max. u wot m8? That's really funny. I actually used that exact fit cause it was easier than adding all the modules on my phone. I set the skills to max. I guess it just didn't update quite right. I stand corrected.
Radec fett 5	Posted - 2014.12.23 19:45:00 - [22] - Quote Alright so most ppl suggest more pg and speed. I agree to the speed buff because other scouts can be faster and still have more ehp. I believe Rattati said something about increasing the pg on the suit but I don't think it ever happened. All u will see is 2 slashes across your screen only to realize you have been killed by me,the minmatar scout with knives
jace silencerww D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 116	Posted - 2014.12.23 20:12:00 - [23] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Iron Toast wrote: I'd rather have a slight speed boost so they are the fastest. Gallente can be faster right now. They can't, but I think the difference is like 0.1 or 0.01 so its negligible. The problem is that being faster has always been called "game breaking." As a Minja for almost 2 years, at this point I would like to see some of the things that really need fixing to be fixed, and then we will have a better understanding of where we are, and what we can adjust on the Minmatar Scout so that it performs better without being over powered. If there is one thing I hate more than being UP its being FotM. I think Minnie should get some kind of buff but what?
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1396	Posted - 2014.12.23 20:43:00 - [24] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: * Reduce PG requirements of KinCats and Codebreakers * Lower backpedal speed from 100% of forward movement speed This would buff all suits and not just the minja Would be better to increase minja's PG and speed A given tweak may benefit one suit more than another; the MinScout benefits from these specific tweaks by the greatest proportion.
Radec fett 6	Posted - 2014.12.23 21:19:00 - [25] - Quote I still think they should buff the damp modules, it takes 1 complex damp and a basic damp to not get scanned by the assaults thats including the skill bonus of 10% and even so, other scouts will still detect u. So it takes 1 complex damp and at least 1 basic damp to remain undetected by an assault that hasn't skilled into precision, but it only takes 1 adv or complex precision module to detect a scout with the modules mentioned before. So as we can see stealth in this game has taken a beating, the gallente scout and caldari scout aren't affected as much because they have a damp bonus that allows them to use only 1 complex damp to remain invisible to the assaults radar, the amar has a precision bonus as well as more slots than the minscout allowing it to have a small amount of stealth while still having a good amount of armor. I would like either a damp bonus to minscout or a buff to damp modules, I think an extra 5% to all damp mods(basi/adv/pro). But this is just my opinion so who cares. Thoughts? All u will see is 2 slashes across your screen only to realize you have been killed by me,the minmatar scout with knives
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1141	Posted - 2014.12.24 00:30:00 - [26] - Quote You guys are right, disregard what I said about the speed bonus. Backpedal penalty is all we need, and it's something I've been wanting for months. Implement it properly and I will never complain about the state of the min scout again. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Dreis Shadowweaver Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1016	Posted - 2014.12.24 01:24:00 - [27] - Quote Umm... speed buff and a significant kincat pg reduction (to mirror or be slightly higher than cardiac regs) sounds good. Honestly, the Min Scout doesn't actually seem too bad... Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Please stop comparing DUST to TF2 -_-
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6798	Posted - 2014.12.24 01:28:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Toast wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: Iron Toast wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Iron Toast wrote: I'd rather have a slight speed boost so they are the fastest. Gallente can be faster right now. They can't, but I think the difference is like 0.1 or 0.01 so its negligible. The problem is that being faster has always been called "game breaking." As a Minja for almost 2 years, at this point I would like to see some of the things that really need fixing to be fixed, and then we will have a better understanding of where we are, and what we can adjust on the Minmatar Scout so that it performs better without being over powered. If there is one thing I hate more than being UP its being FotM. Protofits gives the gallente scout 11.11 m/s and the min scout 10.87 m/s max. u wot m8? That's really funny. I actually used that exact fit cause it was easier than adding all the modules on my phone. I set the skills to max. I guess it just didn't update quite right. I stand corrected. I can respect anyone who admits they are wrong. This game gets complicated and its easy to miss things. It took me a long time to figure some of this stuff out, and I still don't think I have it all. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6800	Posted - 2014.12.24 01:29:00 - [29] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: You guys are right, disregard what I said about the speed bonus. Backpedal penalty is all we need, and it's something I've been wanting for months. Implement it properly and I will never complain about the state of the min scout again. Beware your last statement. You never know what the future holds. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1144	Posted - 2014.12.24 01:33:00 - [30] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: You guys are right, disregard what I said about the speed bonus. Backpedal penalty is all we need, and it's something I've been wanting for months. Implement it properly and I will never complain about the state of the min scout again. Beware your last statement. You never know what the future holds. True. But I already die in less than a second anyway, as long as I can kill people more consistently then I don't mind what happens to the minscout. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.



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