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        |  Aeon Amadi
 Chimera Core
 
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      | Posted - 2014.12.20 16:20:00 -
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 Im on my phone so bear with me on the formatting and general typing.
 
 Idea is effectively to offer up a subscription method for players. $14.95 a month, as per the usual rate of other games. Scaling system rewards concurrent membership rates and longer subscription durations with better value/rewards. For example:
 
 Month One:
 5 Salvage keys, 30d Active Booster, 30d Passive Booster, 5% discount toward visual customization items.
 
 Month Six:
 30 salvage keys, 30d Active Booster, 30d Passive Booster, 30% discounted visual customization items.
 
 The sky is the limit with what the subscription provides. Could be stuff that is already in game, just bundled together, or we could offer more interesting perks including (but not limited to):
 
 Exclusive Visual Customization items
 Bi-yearly or Yearly Respecs
 Exclusive Forum Icons
 Exclusive Titles
 Expanded forum signature
 Discounted aurum purchases or visual customization
 Bundled keys/boosters
 Exclusive deals/offers/promos
 
 
 Discuss.
 
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        |  Hector Carson
 Fraternity of St. Venefice
 Amarr Empire
 
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      | Posted - 2014.12.20 16:48:00 -
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 Then the game wouldn't be free anymore and it would also give people who pay an unfair advantage, I would have to vote no to this.
 
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        |  Slave of MORTE
 Eyniletti Rangers
 Minmatar Republic
 
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      | Posted - 2014.12.20 17:01:00 -
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 Hell no dust is not worth 15 bucks a month
 
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        |  Breakin Stuff
 Goonfeet
 Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
 
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      | Posted - 2014.12.20 17:11:00 -
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 Hector Carson wrote:Then the game wouldn't be free anymore and it would also give people who pay an unfair advantage, I would have to vote no to this. I think the sub would be optional if I read the way he talks correctly.
 
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        |  Hector Carson
 Fraternity of St. Venefice
 Amarr Empire
 
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      | Posted - 2014.12.20 17:26:00 -
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 Breakin Stuff wrote:Hector Carson wrote:Then the game wouldn't be free anymore and it would also give people who pay an unfair advantage, I would have to vote no to this. I think the sub would be optional if I read the way he talks correctly. I would still say no, it would still create and unfair advantage in gaming
 
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        |  xAckie
 Ghost. Mob
 
 469
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.20 18:59:00 -
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 Hector Carson wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Hector Carson wrote:Then the game wouldn't be free anymore and it would also give people who pay an unfair advantage, I would have to vote no to this. I think the sub would be optional if I read the way he talks correctly. I would still say no, it would still create and unfair advantage in gaming 
 
 it would still be f2p and i dont see where he p2w is.
 
 though i wouldnt subscribe
 
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        |  Aeon Amadi
 Chimera Core
 
 7541
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.20 21:06:00 -
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 Hector Carson wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Hector Carson wrote:Then the game wouldn't be free anymore and it would also give people who pay an unfair advantage, I would have to vote no to this. I think the sub would be optional if I read the way he talks correctly. I would still say no, it would still create and unfair advantage in gaming 
 By rewarding players who choose to pay a premium every month that they were going to pay anyway...? You do realize that $15 is like 31,000 aurum, which could afford you the stuff listed in Month One -right now- with current in-game prices and youd still have some Aurum left over..... The only difference is Id have a forum avatar that shows other players that I am dishing out $15 a month consistently and Id get a discount (if that was something CCP wanted to do) BECAUSE I chose to support the game monthly..... Which, as stated, I am going to do anyway.
 
 I dont see how this gives anyone an unfair advantage being as the **** is already in game anyway.
 
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        |  Meee One
 Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
 
 1403
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.20 21:43:00 -
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 Aeon Amadi wrote:Hector Carson wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Hector Carson wrote:Then the game wouldn't be free anymore and it would also give people who pay an unfair advantage, I would have to vote no to this. I think the sub would be optional if I read the way he talks correctly. I would still say no, it would still create and unfair advantage in gaming By rewarding players who choose to pay a premium every month that they were going to pay anyway...? You do realize that $15 is like 31,000 aurum, which could afford you the stuff listed in Month One -right now- with current in-game prices and youd still have some Aurum left over..... The only difference is Id have a forum avatar that shows other players that I am dishing out $15 a month consistently and Id get a discount (if that was something CCP wanted to do) BECAUSE I chose to support the game monthly..... Which, as stated, I am going to do anyway.  I dont see how this gives anyone an unfair advantage being as the **** is already in game anyway. The unfair advantage would be "lol look at me i pay for stuff,stfu free player".(using forum changes)
 This would begin the rift to free players being ignored.
 
 Then it'll become "give us payers our own section of the forum,and make it so peasants can't see it let alone comment on it".
 
 Then it goes to threats such as "stop listening to the poor people or i'll stop buying". (as has been done before)
 
 As to in-game benefits?
 Those are ok.
 Discounts would be obvious,but only after a X month subscription.
 
 Just no to any 'flashy' changes,it just starts the 'us vs them' mindset.
 
 
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        |  Aeon Amadi
 Chimera Core
 
 7548
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.20 22:03:00 -
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 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
 
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        |  Cat Merc
 Fatal Absolution
 General Tso's Alliance
 
 14010
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.20 22:20:00 -
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 Aeon Amadi wrote:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope Aeon Right Now
 
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        |  Aeon Amadi
 Chimera Core
 
 7549
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.20 22:47:00 -
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 Cat Merc wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Aeon Right Nowhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope 
 Infowars couldn't have come up with a more amusing conspiracy theory.
 
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        |  tander09
 KILL-EM-QUICK
 RISE of LEGION
 
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      | Posted - 2014.12.21 00:31:00 -
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 Go play EVE online pleb, we don't need your elitist ways here!
 
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        |  Aeon Amadi
 Chimera Core
 
 7551
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 01:01:00 -
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 tander09 wrote:Go play EVE online pleb, we don't need your elitist ways here! 
 Man, I was wrong when I went about all my pay-to-win arguments.
 
 I should have said:
 
 "Oh, it's absolutely okay to have BPO's, Boosters, Market Agents, Salvage Boxes, etc in the game. That's is totally okay. What is -NOT- okay is the people with the money to pay for those items. Those people are OP and they should have never been allowed to have money to spend on a video game they enjoy playing."
 
 Because that's what this sounds like.
 
 You guys realize how ridiculous fighting this is? It's pay-to-win because I suggested that we have better bundled items - ITEMS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE GAME - to more accommodate a subscription-like theme. To encourage players to buy these items (that they already do) with some sort of consistency. But that will lead to some craziness like segregation between players who pay for the game (to continue existing and developing) and players that don't?
 
 Your problem isn't with the items, it's with the fact that people want to buy the items... I don't... I can't even begin to understand this logic. I truly can't.
 
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        |  Aeon Amadi
 Chimera Core
 
 7551
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 01:16:00 -
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 Just to give you all an idea of how -INSANE- you sound, here are some other popular free-to-play games with Subscription Premiums:
 
 Planetside 2: Membership Benefits
 
 Warframe: Prime Access
 
 Defiance: Patron Benefits
 
 Star Wars: Subscriber Perks
 
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        |  Breakin Stuff
 Goonfeet
 Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
 
 5891
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 01:35:00 -
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 People will fight monetization tooth and nail because they don't want to pay and they don't want anyone else to do it either.
 
 It's really not their choice or their business
 
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        |  Zindorak
 G0DS AM0NG MEN
 General Tso's Alliance
 
 1425
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 02:14:00 -
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 Slave of MORTE wrote:Hell no dust is not worth 15 bucks a month  Pretty much
 
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        |  TheD1CK
 Dead Man's Game
 RUST415
 
 1558
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 02:28:00 -
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 A subscription would have been much better than some of the items we have - APEX / Jara
 And if it was just handing out gear/vanity items they would give you the same advantage.
 I have never noticed CCP look into implementing subscriptions for Dust, so it seems unlikely
 Whether it's because they can't/won't or just don't want to sell a work in progress they have not done it
 
 If they want to make a regular income from a 'subscription' I would try another route
 and rent servers to corps, where they can alter map rotation/gamemode and whether it's open to public or not
 A private game would allow you more choices with gamemode etc but reward no SP/ISK
 Where leaving it on standard settings allows it to be a pub server..
 It would need work but it - Provides content - Provides $$$ for CCP
 
 I'd much rather scotty was fired and we had server options as in MGS4 and Battlefield.
 There would be all of the active pubs visible on a contracts menu, then highlight the altered modes
 We choose where to deploy, possibly be shown the ping along with player count and even average 'meta'
 
 If one of you can work this into a solid proposal, be my guest
 
 CCP won't care either way, but, we can dream
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        |  SponkSponkSponk
 WarRavens
 Capital Punishment.
 
 1118
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 02:48:00 -
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 I have no problem with paying a subscription fee for a game, provided:
 
 1. The subscription fee is worth the money spent (since it is after all a F2P game)
 2. The subscription fee isn't pay2win (notice how it may conflict with item #1) because I reserver the right to end my subscription without worrying about being roflstomped by those who are still subbed
 3. I can buy and sell subscription time to other players (even if indirectly through AUR)
 
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        |  Aeon Amadi
 Chimera Core
 
 7555
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 04:15:00 -
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 TheD1CK wrote:A subscription would have been much better than some of the items we have - APEX / Jara  And if it was just handing out gear/vanity items they would give you the same advantage. I have never noticed CCP look into implementing subscriptions for Dust, so it seems unlikely  Whether it's because they can't/won't or just don't want to sell a work in progress they have not done it If they want to make a regular income from a 'subscription' I would try another route and rent servers to corps, where they can alter map rotation/gamemode and whether it's open to public or not A private game would allow you more choices with gamemode etc but reward no SP/ISK Where leaving it on standard settings allows it to be a pub server.. It would need work but it - Provides content - Provides $$$ for CCP I'd much rather scotty was fired and we had server options as in MGS4 and Battlefield. There would be all of the active pubs visible on a contracts menu, then highlight the altered modes We choose where to deploy, possibly be shown the ping along with player count and even average 'meta' If one of you can work this into a solid proposal, be my guest CCP won't care either way, but, we can dream   
 That's not... really the way it works though. The battleservers allow players to fight against each other but beyond that we're all tied to a single server, the Eve server.
 
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        |  Meee One
 Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
 
 1404
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 04:27:00 -
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 Those are good examples because they DON'T tell you who's subbed.
 
 If you were to make it where their forum avatar was special because of the subscription,that's when the 'listen to me i paid money' attitude begins.
 
 However as i said before (which you obviously ignored).
  
 In-game benefits are fine.
 Out of game,such as the forums, would lead to an entitled attitude.
 
 I said this would be a good idea.
 And believe,if bundled right,could make CCP more money.
 
 Like X free instant boosts for a X month subscription.
 
 
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        |  Aeon Amadi
 Chimera Core
 
 7555
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 04:52:00 -
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 Meee One wrote:Those are good examples because they DON'T  tell you who's subbed. If you were to make it where their forum avatar was special because of the subscription,that's when the 'listen to me i paid money' attitude begins. However as i said before  (which you obviously  ignored).  In-game benefits are fine. Out of game,such as the forums, would lead to an entitled attitude. I said this would be a good  idea. And believe,if bundled right,could make CCP more money. Like X free instant boosts for a X month subscription. 
 If you had actually looked into the links given, you'd have instantly noticed that Warframe Prime Access gives exclusive profile icons....................
 
 EDIT: And this isn't even covering the fact that you would be able to spot a subscriber in-game just from their visual customization in the other games, among other obvious details... You're making a problem out of nothing and have absolutely no evidence to show that the community would instantly segregate itself if given such a minor silly perk as a different colored forum avatar...
 
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        |  Zepod
 Titans of Phoenix
 
 39
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 05:19:00 -
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 15$ a month for DUST?
 
 LMFAO 10/10
 
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        |  Miokai Zahou
 WarRavens
 Capital Punishment.
 
 425
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 06:29:00 -
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 I wouldn't mind paying $15 per month for Dust as long as it's worth subbing for.
 
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        |  Meee One
 Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
 
 1405
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 08:43:00 -
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 Aeon Amadi wrote:Meee One wrote:Those are good examples because they DON'T  tell you who's subbed. If you were to make it where their forum avatar was special because of the subscription,that's when the 'listen to me i paid money' attitude begins. However as i said before  (which you obviously  ignored).  In-game benefits are fine. Out of game,such as the forums, would lead to an entitled attitude. I said this would be a good  idea. And believe,if bundled right,could make CCP more money. Like X free instant boosts for a X month subscription. If you had actually looked into the links given, you'd have instantly noticed that Warframe Prime Access gives exclusive profile icons....................  EDIT: And this isn't even covering the fact that you would be able to spot a subscriber in-game just from their visual customization in the other games, among other obvious details... You're making a problem out of nothing and have absolutely no evidence to show that the community would instantly segregate itself if given such a minor silly perk as a different colored forum avatar... Lol.
 
 You sure do have a lot of "..." in your post,it shows your doubtful.
 
 Have you been on these forums long?
 Because before the FF 'announcement' there were players trying to get the forums separated based on AUR purchases.
  
 In game is where i will draw my line.
 Increased fittings? Sure
 Faster loyalty points gain (FW)? Ok
 Faster loyalty rank increase? Mm hmm
 Faster sp gain?Alright
 Unique areas besides the MQ to hang out in? Go for it
 
 Forums' changes? Hell to the no.
 It would be taken as an automatic 'listen to me,and ignore the poor guy' when it comes to suggestions and ideas and would negatively influence all future ideas put forward by the community.
 
 You want to see an example?
 Look at PC,all the 1337 corps clique up and no one else has a chance.
 
 That is exactly what these forums will become if changes like those are made.
 
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        |  True Adamance
 Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
 Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
 
 16180
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 08:58:00 -
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 Complaining about advantages in New Eden.
 
 Dust 514's community could not handle actually being a part of EVE Online.....
 
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        |  Breakin Stuff
 Goonfeet
 Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
 
 5903
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 09:03:00 -
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 Meee One wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Hector Carson wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Hector Carson wrote:Then the game wouldn't be free anymore and it would also give people who pay an unfair advantage, I would have to vote no to this. I think the sub would be optional if I read the way he talks correctly. I would still say no, it would still create and unfair advantage in gaming By rewarding players who choose to pay a premium every month that they were going to pay anyway...? You do realize that $15 is like 31,000 aurum, which could afford you the stuff listed in Month One -right now- with current in-game prices and youd still have some Aurum left over..... The only difference is Id have a forum avatar that shows other players that I am dishing out $15 a month consistently and Id get a discount (if that was something CCP wanted to do) BECAUSE I chose to support the game monthly..... Which, as stated, I am going to do anyway.  I dont see how this gives anyone an unfair advantage being as the **** is already in game anyway. The unfair advantage would be "lol look at me i pay for stuff,stfu free player".(using forum changes) This would begin the rift to free players being ignored. Then it'll become "give us payers our own section of the forum,and make it so peasants can't see it let alone comment on it". Then it goes to threats such as "stop listening to the poor people or i'll stop buying". (as has been done before) As to in-game benefits? Those are ok. Discounts would be obvious,but only after a X month subscription. Just no to any 'flashy' changes,it just starts the 'us vs them' mindset. 
 this kind of rampant paranoia is based on hilariously flimsy logic.
 
 CCP doesn't listen to the people who pay them NOW, what makes you think a subscript will change that?
 
 
 
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        |  Aeon Amadi
 Chimera Core
 
 7555
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 09:24:00 -
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 Meee One wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Meee One wrote:Those are good examples because they DON'T  tell you who's subbed. If you were to make it where their forum avatar was special because of the subscription,that's when the 'listen to me i paid money' attitude begins. However as i said before  (which you obviously  ignored).  In-game benefits are fine. Out of game,such as the forums, would lead to an entitled attitude. I said this would be a good  idea. And believe,if bundled right,could make CCP more money. Like X free instant boosts for a X month subscription. If you had actually looked into the links given, you'd have instantly noticed that Warframe Prime Access gives exclusive profile icons....................  EDIT: And this isn't even covering the fact that you would be able to spot a subscriber in-game just from their visual customization in the other games, among other obvious details... You're making a problem out of nothing and have absolutely no evidence to show that the community would instantly segregate itself if given such a minor silly perk as a different colored forum avatar... Lol. You sure do have a lot of "..." in your post,it shows your doubtful. Have you been on these forums long? Because before the FF 'announcement' there were players trying to get the forums separated based on AUR purchases.  In game is where i will draw my line. Increased fittings? Sure Faster loyalty points gain (FW)? Ok Faster loyalty rank increase? Mm hmm Faster sp gain?Alright  Unique areas besides the MQ to hang out in? Go for it Forums' changes? Hell to the no. It would be taken as an automatic 'listen to me,and ignore the poor guy' when it comes to suggestions and ideas and would negatively influence all future ideas put forward by the community. You want to see an example? Look at PC,all the 1337 corps clique up and no one else has a chance. That is exactly what these forums will become if changes like those are made. 
 Not doubt so much as disbelief that someone could be so oversuspicious.
 
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        |  Meee One
 Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
 
 1407
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 15:35:00 -
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 True Adamance wrote:Complaining about advantages in New Eden.
 Dust 514's community could not handle actually being a part of EVE Online.....
 -or-
 Players care enough about newer players to prevent Dust from jumping in front of a train.
 
 Advantages are fine,advantages that drive away noobs are not,and does nothing but lower CCPs revenue income.
 
 
 Breakin Stuff wrote:this kind of rampant paranoia is based on hilariously flimsy logic.
 
 CCP doesn't listen to the people who pay them NOW, what makes you think a subscript will change that?
 
 
 You can only bite the hand that feeds you so many times before it closes.(unless they're paying you to bite them)
 
 
 Aeon Amadi wrote:Not doubt so much as disbelief that someone could be so oversuspicious.
 
 An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
 
 
 
 
 Tl;Dr FREEEEEDOM and equality
 
 
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        |  Aeon Amadi
 Chimera Core
 
 7556
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.12.21 17:02:00 -
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 Meee One wrote:*Starts music*True Adamance wrote:Complaining about advantages in New Eden.
 Dust 514's community could not handle actually being a part of EVE Online.....
 -or-  Players care enough about newer players to prevent Dust from jumping in front of a train. Advantages are fine,advantages that drive away noobs are not,and does nothing but lower CCPs revenue income. Breakin Stuff wrote:this kind of rampant paranoia is based on hilariously flimsy logic.
 
 CCP doesn't listen to the people who pay them NOW, what makes you think a subscript will change that?
 
 
 You can only bite the hand that feeds you so many times before it closes.(unless they're paying you to bite them) Aeon Amadi wrote:Not doubt so much as disbelief that someone could be so oversuspicious.
 An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Tl;Dr FREEEEEDOM and  equality 
 Sure, if there were any evidence that such a thing would happen.
 
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        |  Aqua-Regia
 
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      | Posted - 2014.12.21 23:39:00 -
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 Make it 5$ a month and no me me crap.
 
 Then maybe I say yes, if I have any idea wtf CCP trying to do with Dust180.
 
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