>Runs a scout twenty four seven
>constantly ganking people by shooting them in the back with ohk weapons
>calls everyone else a scrub

The reason why shield based weaponry does so much damage is because armor type weaponry does relatively little to shields.

Do you know how to fit a shield suit?

Did you get that backwards or are you just high as ****? The scrambler rifle exists and a milita can drop a proto cal assault in under two seconds if they know what they're doing. Oddly enough it'll take 50-75% of my arr clip to kill an apex amarr assault.

The mysteties of this game eh?

My militia AR takes out proto like butter too, armor and shields, what's your point?

You might just have bad aim, bad fits, bad strafe, bad situational awareness. I don't know what you have, but from what I've experienced that -15% to shields really saves my min scout from getting instagibbed from hmgs, and my -20% on my gal assault really stops those scrambler riflers in their tracks, as long as I avoid armor based weapons on my gal assault I have an easy time taking everything else out.

The imbalance is obvious between the two tanking methods.

You're right shield suits are too effective at armor tanking, they need a nerf IMO.

Lol.

Might as well nerf them scouts while we're at it. 50% strafe speed reduction per armor/shield equipped.

That'll teach them to stop strafin.

"Runs a scout twenty four seven constantly ganking people by shooting them in the back with ohk weapons, calls everyone else a scrub."

Shield suits aren't supposed to armor tank properly genius. It's more like letting scouts run around with HMGs.

What he means is, anti-shield based weaponry has higher DPS than any comparable Anti-Armor weapon.

CR is comparable to Burst AR- loses in DPS and damage a clip, and now, even in psuedo full auto.

RR is utter crap(But oddly, the ARR can instantly deal 2x my health in damage on the death screen before i can overheat a SCR.)

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Scr has quite possibly the highest alpha strike in the game, aside from Shotguns and Charged headshots(Alpha being a Charge and a followup or 3, as you can pull that off within .025 seconds) Along with 2nd highest range amongst rifles, AND has maybe the 3rd highest DPS in the entire game.

CR...fails horribly against caldari sentinels, and gallente logis with ARRs, screw having that +40% to armor, i'm still going to die horribly because the ARR can instagank me in CQC.

AR... Is actually in a good place, it's just the WTF tier DPS of hte Breach and(to a MUCH lesser extent) the burst. Actually i'm a little confused as to why the Burst has a 70 shot clip but fires 3 round bursts, and is supposed to follow the CR in terms of higher-ish DPS and lower damage a clip.

"There are multiple ways to deal with the breach or any other Ar while the scrambler rifle not so much."

That is because you're engaging the most powerful anti-shield suit with a shield based suit!
Even if you play smart, if he is aware of your presence and is as smart as you, he will destroy you.

You could think that your ARR is an anti-armor weapon so it should be balanced between the 2. But as you said, RR has a charge up while ScR extremely powerful charge shots on shield. So the ScR guy will win.

Beeing an amarr assault I have the harder time dealing with GalAss+ RR. They are, IMO the best anti amarr suits.

"Runs a scout twenty four seven constantly ganking people by shooting them in the back with ohk weapons, calls everyone else a scrub."

The reason why shield based weaponry does so much damage is because armor type weaponry does relatively little to shields.

Do you know how to fit a shield suit?

"There are multiple ways to deal with the breach or any other Ar while the scrambler rifle not so much."

That is because you're engaging the most powerful anti-shield suit with a shield based suit!
Even if you play smart, if he is aware of your presence and is as smart as you, he will destroy you.

You could think that your ARR is an anti-armor weapon so it should be balanced between the 2. But as you said, RR has a charge up while ScR extremely powerful charge shots on shield. So the ScR guy will win.

Beeing an amarr assault I have the harder time dealing with GalAss+ RR. They are, IMO the best anti amarr suits.

By that logic, a Rail weilding +20% dmg Cal Assault should be terrifying to Amarr suits.
It doesn't as you said yourself the threat is Gallente w/RR and your right..
The Armour tank suits are tougher and with high dmg weapons = rekt
(Bonus alterations on Cal Assault do not change the endurance of the suit = not a fix)

Both Armour tanks suits outclass the Shield suit, while Matari run free in the middle
Every weapon in the game has counters, The ScR performs at all ranges and it's main counters are itself
via overheat and whether the user is accurate or not, other than that you are left hoping he misses..

How many Shield threads will be bashed by Armour tankers
Shields need some work, whether to nerf dmg done to them, or buff their ability to take it.
The proof is when you deploy and Armour suits vastly outnumber the Shield options ...

I think minor changes will fix it
- The Plate nerf Rattati mentioned helps
- Buffs to Shield modules are welcome
- Fitting buff
- Shield weaponry alpha dmg

500 shields 194 armor vs 700+armir 300 shields

What needs to be fix is how effective ar's and scr's are vs shields...and a slight buff to caldari suits, 1 second less delay and 40 hp/s regen or 50 hp/s regen.

Maybe a slight extender buff, by 10.

Oh and increase cpu cost of extenders, then increase cpu or cal and min suits.

Extenders already eat more cpu and pg than plates, theres no need to nerf their consuption harder. They need a pg reduction is all.

So your answer to his question would be 'no', then.

You can quite happily have a shield suit with 630 shields, 50 HP/s regen, 2s delay, with a reactive plate if you want one.

The HP differences between a properly fit shield suit and the armour suit you described are 70 on the primary tank, 50 on the secondary. In return for this, you get vastly higher regeneration rates - recovery times for an armour tanker are over twice what they are for a shield tanker. Regen delay is negligible, the shield tanker will overtake armour regen in the third second. And you will be completely unencumbered, compared to the armour tanker which in your example may have as much as a 24% strafe penalty.

This is not unbalanced. Now we've established this, let's have a look at your buffing plans.



Okay. So, 760 shields, 50 HP/s regen rate, 2s delay, unencumbered, leaving two low slots open. Let's compare that to your armour fit, shall we?

760 shields vs 706 armour - Shield wins.
50 HP/s with 2s delay vs 20 HP/s - Shield wins. Let's not even pretend that the regen delay means anything when it takes literally three seconds for the shields to overtake.
0% movement penalty vs 12% sprint/forward + 24% strafe penalty - Shield wins.

So. Why would anyone use armour after such an unnecessary overbuffing of shields, exactly?

50 hp/s is nothing, you have delays and most weapons do more damage to shields. 1 damage stops your regen.

In eve caldari and gallente have almost samish hp.

armor has no delay.

I say buff extenders then increase thier cpu cost to discourage armor scrubs using them.

Yeah and break all current shield tanked fits. As it stands you have to optimize your equipment fitting skills to achieve a decent tank. I can't even run anything but a nanite injector, any increase to cpu would require a cpu buff to both cals and mins.

50 HP/s is huge. You recover in moments from all but the most catastrophic damage.


In EVE there are a huge number of different factors and you are also wrong, when armour bricks, shields does not keep up.


If you had bothered reading my post or knew how regen works, then you would know that regen delays are negligible. On a properly fit shield tank shield regen will overtake armour regen on the third second - if regen fit, you can recover in under 10 seconds from everything.