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THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:

gustavo acosta wrote:

THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote:

gustavo acosta wrote:

The reason why shield based weaponry does so much damage is because armor type weaponry does relatively little to shields.

Do you know how to fit a shield suit?

Did you get that backwards or are you just high as ****? The scrambler rifle exists and a milita can drop a proto cal assault in under two seconds if they know what they're doing. Oddly enough it'll take 50-75% of my arr clip to kill an apex amarr assault.

The mysteties of this game eh? Roll

My militia AR takes out proto like butter too, armor and shields, what's your point?

You might just have bad aim, bad fits, bad strafe, bad situational awareness. I don't know what you have, but from what I've experienced that -15% to shields really saves my min scout from getting instagibbed from hmgs, and my -20% on my gal assault really stops those scrambler riflers in their tracks, as long as I avoid armor based weapons on my gal assault I have an easy time taking everything else out.

My fits are about as effective as a regen tank caldari assault can get. My aim well enough to actively maintain a 3.0 kdr while running apex cal assaults/logis. Doesn't mean much when all shield based weapons are geared towards high alpha, and maintain a relatively high rof. Playing with a controller over a mouse pad I don't have the same strafing advantages but circling the analog stick is sufficient. The imbalance is obvious between the two tanking methods.

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Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 646	Posted - 2014.12.20 14:12:00 - [31] - Quote Arkena stop it 5 nobody gives a yuck if you get +20 hp/s with 2-3s at the cost of HP and your weapon sucks compared to their damage modded highest DPS weapons. Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2729	Posted - 2014.12.20 14:26:00 - [32] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote: The imbalance is obvious between the two tanking methods. You're right shield suits are too effective at armor tanking, they need a nerf IMO. Shield and armor in general need to be addressed. We have no parity.. They aren't even but with positives and negatives from each.. People would rather brick tank most suits then fit a specific tank and modules around it. Take the Gallente Assault suit for example. It was Meant to run Damage mods in it's high slots. Then stack with the Assault weapon bonus to make a formidable tow to toe slower moving assault suit. Much like what the Amarr Assault runs now. But instead with the naturally high shield values on the Gallente suits compared to the Amarr, it makes it a viable brick tank scenario. Not to mention that there is a natural high shield recharge rate on Gallente suits. Where Caldari Assaults couldn't run damage mods without sacrificing their main tank. But have mnore freedom with Kincats, Damps and then shield enhancing modules such as regulators. We gave all kinds of suits natural armor repair which is just backwards to creating balance. Gallente and Amarr should have the armor repair... Minmatar have enough slots to make it work.. Shield suits should get natural higher shield by a decent value.. A possible built in bonus to shield regulator efficacy, and shield regulators get buffed. This way DUST's weapon choice and suit choice actually matters... Shield and Armor suits on the battlefield matter and change the tactics and keeps the battlefield dynamic.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 5179	Posted - 2014.12.20 14:28:00 - [33] - Quote The ARR kicks ass on both shield AND armor suits, same as AR, but less so at armor, I've noticed. Prof for shield weapons are awesome against starting fights, but not ending them due to armor, unlike armor weapons. The current meta is armor so anti-armor weapons seem more viable. The militia ARR has no spool. Anti-armor weapons generally have more range than shield ones. Except the Laser Rifle, which kicks ass, but almost no one uses. Shield suits are faster due not wearing plates (which is what's supposed to happen), so they are able to rep their shields faster, and pop a compact if they really need armor. While, for example, on a Gallente frame, it would take 3x the amount of time to get our shields back to full, are slower, and our regeneration rate is slower as well (assuming using 5 Reactives we'd get around only 30-something/s). I've used Caldari Assaults with no armor buff mods and an ARR at 1 Operation in both the suit and weapon, and can say that if I were to have the same skills as my Gallente weaponry, it would most likely be having the same result against their counter-types: winning.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 309	Posted - 2014.12.20 14:34:00 - [34] - Quote Bam Nutshot wrote: My Assault railrifle still kicks ass so i don't care...Cal assault is awesome!! Strange, my ARR doesnt do ****. Switched to Militia Scrambler Rifle from Advanced Rail Rifle and got easier kills. Anyone else? The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 646	Posted - 2014.12.20 14:46:00 - [35] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: Bam Nutshot wrote: My Assault railrifle still kicks ass so i don't care...Cal assault is awesome!! Strange, my ARR doesnt do ****. Switched to Militia Scrambler Rifle from Advanced Rail Rifle and got easier kills. Anyone else? It's just that the ARR is the hardest weapon to manage. It instantly starts kicking once you start shooting you know. I suggest you to use the RR if you can't really manage it and you're a Caldari Assault. Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 310	Posted - 2014.12.20 14:51:00 - [36] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: Hansei Kaizen wrote: Bam Nutshot wrote: My Assault railrifle still kicks ass so i don't care...Cal assault is awesome!! Strange, my ARR doesnt do ****. Switched to Militia Scrambler Rifle from Advanced Rail Rifle and got easier kills. Anyone else? It's just that the ARR is the hardest weapon to manage. It instantly starts kicking once you start shooting you know. I suggest you to use the RR if you can't really manage it and you're a Caldari Assault. How do you manage it? Feels pretty unmanagable to me The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2730	Posted - 2014.12.20 14:55:00 - [37] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: Hansei Kaizen wrote: Bam Nutshot wrote: My Assault railrifle still kicks ass so i don't care...Cal assault is awesome!! Strange, my ARR doesnt do ****. Switched to Militia Scrambler Rifle from Advanced Rail Rifle and got easier kills. Anyone else? It's just that the ARR is the hardest weapon to manage. It instantly starts kicking once you start shooting you know. I suggest you to use the RR if you can't really manage it and you're a Caldari Assault. You put your crosshairs on your target... You have them light up... You LDS... Hold down your button and 80-90% Accuracy. It works like this with every weapon... The only thing that makes it different is in very CQC and having to do quick aim movements while hip firing. Once your Hipfire crosshairs Light up again and you can strafe back and forth( left and right) while keeping the target infront of you? you have 80% accuracy again. Again, works with every hit scan weapon in the game. DUST's aiming with a controller.. is simplistic and easy... COD is harder at end game... And that is sad.
THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK Direct Action Resources 281	Posted - 2014.12.20 15:04:00 - [38] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Cavani1EE7 wrote: Hansei Kaizen wrote: Bam Nutshot wrote: My Assault railrifle still kicks ass so i don't care...Cal assault is awesome!! Strange, my ARR doesnt do ****. Switched to Militia Scrambler Rifle from Advanced Rail Rifle and got easier kills. Anyone else? It's just that the ARR is the hardest weapon to manage. It instantly starts kicking once you start shooting you know. I suggest you to use the RR if you can't really manage it and you're a Caldari Assault. You put your crosshairs on your target... You have them light up... You LDS... Hold down your button and 80-90% Accuracy. It works like this with every weapon... The only thing that makes it different is in very CQC and having to do quick aim movements while hip firing. Once your Hipfire crosshairs Light up again and you can strafe back and forth( left and right) while keeping the target infront of you? you have 80% accuracy again. Again, works with every hit scan weapon in the game. DUST's aiming with a controller.. is simplistic and easy... COD is harder at end game... And that is sad. Last time I checked cod didn't have scouts hopped up on crack, dancing in front of you faster than your character can run. The One And Only
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 647	Posted - 2014.12.20 15:10:00 - [39] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: Cavani1EE7 wrote: Hansei Kaizen wrote: Bam Nutshot wrote: My Assault railrifle still kicks ass so i don't care...Cal assault is awesome!! Strange, my ARR doesnt do ****. Switched to Militia Scrambler Rifle from Advanced Rail Rifle and got easier kills. Anyone else? It's just that the ARR is the hardest weapon to manage. It instantly starts kicking once you start shooting you know. I suggest you to use the RR if you can't really manage it and you're a Caldari Assault. How do you manage it? Feels pretty unmanagable to me It feels unmanagable for me as well after 15-20 bullets, so I basically stop shooting and charging up again but it will significantly increase your TTK... hipfiring in CQC is pretty managable though and I can strike even 30-40 bullets without troubles, but as you know the ARR has a relatively low DPS so CQC isn't the best choice for it. The damage profile and the range are its best pros. Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3219	Posted - 2014.12.20 15:20:00 - [40] - Quote Gentlemen, gentlemen. The point of this thread was to make a point about how shield weapons are harder hitters in every way than armor weapons. We all know that shield tanking is worse than armor tanking, so lets talk about the issue at hand. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.

THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE Xer Cloud Consortium 82	Posted - 2014.12.20 15:50:00 - [41] - Quote If they buffed scrubs then the op would be good. K den. Assert dominance is actually a little kid. Assert pocket money. RealityGäó
THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK Direct Action Resources 281	Posted - 2014.12.20 15:53:00 - [42] - Quote THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE wrote: If they buffed scrubs then the op would be good. K den. I feel I'm either too stupid or too smart to understand what you're saying. The One And Only
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 224	Posted - 2014.12.20 16:03:00 - [43] - Quote i think the reason why some think the shield weapons are so strong is becuse it rips through that first layer of HP (shields) pretty quickly. for a shield tanker, their main HP type, shields, is the first thing to go. the armor tanker goes through their main HP type, armor, second. so when you fire, lets say, an SCR at a Caldari, the damage dealt is boosted and then resisted once you hit the armor layer, whereas if you shoot a at an Amarr, the damage is resisted and then boosted. its almost like a nut in a shell. now, lets look at the weapon characteristics SCR: most effective against shields, but high damage all around, so it seems like not as much damage is resisted vs armor. this is to counter Minmatar, who lean towards dual tanking. CR: Least effective vs shields, but most effective towards armor. however, this doesnt seem to be noticed as much because per shot, projectile weapons dont deal much damage per shot anyways. its more about spamming shots. it takes more individual shots to kill foes, this is why the Min Assault has a projectile weapon ammo boost. due to the low damage per shot, and resistance faced by shields, the damage is dealt at an even lower damage per shot ratio towards shield tankers. Hybrid weapons: ever remember reading the hint while the game is loading that hybrid weapons deal as much damage to shields and armor? this is a lie now because there are no pure hybrid weapons. they are now Hybrid-rail or Hybrid-blaster weapons. the idea is that hybrid-blaster weapons arent as effective against shields (damage profile-wise) as laser weapons, but face less resistance vs armor and vice-versa for hybrid-rail weapons and their Anti-armor counterpart, Projectile weapons. AR: a Hybrid-blaster rifle. damage is supposed to be distributed in a fashion similar to the CR, but at a less exagggerated rate. RR: a hybrid-rail rifle. damage is distributed at a rof that is slower than the AR. its supposed to suit its range, as its supposed to fit the more calm, tactical surpression style while the AR fits more of a, if i may, "CHARGE!!!!" style. Gallente-Fu Grand Master Gallente Federation Patriot
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 606	Posted - 2014.12.20 18:52:00 - [44] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Gentlemen, gentlemen. The point of this thread was to make a point about how shield weapons are harder hitters in every way than armor weapons. We all know that shield tanking is worse than armor tanking, so lets talk about the issue at hand. No, it's not. People don't know how to fit shield suits. If shield suits weren't heavy hitters like their armor counterparts(because every other weapon is an anti-armor weapons) then shields would become the stronger tank. If someone is using an anti-shield weapon shields should be butter, just like how people who use anti-armor weapons cut it like butter. The reason that armor suits seem more durable is because armor is meant to tank damage. Whereas shield suits are supposed to refrain from taking too much damage or their regen, their defining characteristic, becomes moot. If you do know how to fit a shield suit I'd imagine this is just another silly attempt to lobby for another buff that shields do not need. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 606	Posted - 2014.12.20 18:54:00 - [45] - Quote THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote: THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE wrote: If they buffed scrubs then the op would be good. K den. I feel I'm either too stupid or too smart to understand what you're saying. There is no such thing as being too smart to understand. Maybe you should read up on internet lingo, or basic sentence structure to learn how people might mess it up purposefully. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK Direct Action Resources 282	Posted - 2014.12.20 23:06:00 - [46] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote: THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE wrote: If they buffed scrubs then the op would be good. K den. I feel I'm either too stupid or too smart to understand what you're saying. There is no such thing as being too smart to understand. Maybe you should read up on internet lingo, or basic sentence structure to learn how people might mess it up purposefully. Someone's a ball buster, this is the second time you've taken such a comment seriously. The One And Only
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 607	Posted - 2014.12.21 00:29:00 - [47] - Quote THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote: THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE wrote: If they buffed scrubs then the op would be good. K den. I feel I'm either too stupid or too smart to understand what you're saying. There is no such thing as being too smart to understand. Maybe you should read up on internet lingo, or basic sentence structure to learn how people might mess it up purposefully. Someone's a ball buster, this is the second time you've taken such a comment seriously. if there's sumthing i know how to do GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2014.12.21 00:33:00 - [48] - Quote THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote: THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE wrote: If they buffed scrubs then the op would be good. K den. I feel I'm either too stupid or too smart to understand what you're saying. There is no such thing as being too smart to understand. Maybe you should read up on internet lingo, or basic sentence structure to learn how people might mess it up purposefully. Someone's a ball buster, this is the second time you've taken such a comment seriously. Actually, too smart to understand could mean they are maybe taking it to literally or because they can't look at it the way other people can...or something. Choo Choo
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 607	Posted - 2014.12.21 00:36:00 - [49] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Actually, too smart to understand could mean they are maybe taking it to literally or because they can't look at it the way other people can...or something. nah. if ya can't undurstend sumting den it meens u lak the meens of understinding. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3223	Posted - 2014.12.21 00:40:00 - [50] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Gentlemen, gentlemen. The point of this thread was to make a point about how shield weapons are harder hitters in every way than armor weapons. We all know that shield tanking is worse than armor tanking, so lets talk about the issue at hand. No, it's not. People don't know how to fit shield suits. If shield suits weren't heavy hitters like their armor counterparts(because every other weapon is an anti-armor weapons) then shields would become the stronger tank. If someone is using an anti-shield weapon shields should be butter, just like how people who use anti-armor weapons cut it like butter. The reason that armor suits seem more durable is because armor is meant to tank damage. Whereas shield suits are supposed to refrain from taking too much damage or their regen, their defining characteristic, becomes moot. If you do know how to fit a shield suit I'd imagine this is just another silly attempt to lobby for another buff that shields do not need. Then how do you fit your shield suit, Mr. Amarr Sentinel? "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.

DAAAA BEAST Corrosive Synergy 388	Posted - 2014.12.21 02:11:00 - [51] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: "Runs a scout twenty four seven constantly ganking people by shooting them in the back with ohk weapons, calls everyone else a scrub." "+50 Kill" MY DUST 514 VIDEOS Any ISK Donation helps ! :)
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 607	Posted - 2014.12.21 02:54:00 - [52] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Then how do you fit your shield suit, Mr. Amarr Sentinel? 1. I'm not an Amarr Sentinal by any means, whoever is your information broker should be fired, from a cannon. 2. simply very simply The principles used in these fittings can be applied to their min counterparts as well. GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
Grand Master Kubo PIanet Express Smart Deploy 266	Posted - 2014.12.21 03:14:00 - [53] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Powerh8er wrote: "Runs a scout twenty four seven constantly ganking people by shooting them in the back with ohk weapons, calls everyone else a scrub." Actually, I run an assault now. Scouts suck because CCP decided that alpha weapons were too good, so they gave everyone entitlement HP. But this coming from a guy complaining about heavies being underpowered, yeah Im sure you're real good....scrub. The definition of FOTM chaser.
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 608	Posted - 2014.12.21 03:15:00 - [54] - Quote Grand Master Kubo wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Powerh8er wrote: "Runs a scout twenty four seven constantly ganking people by shooting them in the back with ohk weapons, calls everyone else a scrub." Actually, I run an assault now. Scouts suck because CCP decided that alpha weapons were too good, so they gave everyone entitlement HP. But this coming from a guy complaining about heavies being underpowered, yeah Im sure you're real good....scrub. The definition of FOTM chaser. ^This GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3235	Posted - 2014.12.21 22:00:00 - [55] - Quote Grand Master Kubo wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Powerh8er wrote: "Runs a scout twenty four seven constantly ganking people by shooting them in the back with ohk weapons, calls everyone else a scrub." Actually, I run an assault now. Scouts suck because CCP decided that alpha weapons were too good, so they gave everyone entitlement HP. But this coming from a guy complaining about heavies being underpowered, yeah Im sure you're real good....scrub. The definition of FOTM chaser. The definition of being viable in PC... "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3235	Posted - 2014.12.21 22:01:00 - [56] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Then how do you fit your shield suit, Mr. Amarr Sentinel? 1. I'm not an Amarr Sentinal by any means, whoever is your information broker should be fired, from a cannon. 2. simply very simply The principles used in these fittings can be applied to their min counterparts as well. We don't have enough buffer to be able to fully shield tank. We have a ****** dual tank instead, which is annoying, but whatever. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 118	Posted - 2014.12.21 22:05:00 - [57] - Quote THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK wrote: gustavo acosta wrote: The reason why shield based weaponry does so much damage is because armor type weaponry does relatively little to shields. Do you know how to fit a shield suit? Did you get that backwards or are you just high as ****? The scrambler rifle exists and a milita can drop a proto cal assault in under two seconds if they know what they're doing. Oddly enough it'll take 50-75% of my arr clip to kill an apex amarr assault. The mysteties of this game eh? My militia AR takes out proto like butter too, armor and shields, what's your point? You might just have bad aim, bad fits, bad strafe, bad situational awareness. I don't know what you have, but from what I've experienced that -15% to shields really saves my min scout from getting instagibbed from hmgs, and my -20% on my gal assault really stops those scrambler riflers in their tracks, as long as I avoid armor based weapons on my gal assault I have an easy time taking everything else out. My fits are about as effective as a regen tank caldari assault can get. My aim well enough to actively maintain a 3.0 kdr while running apex cal assaults/logis. Doesn't mean much when all shield based weapons are geared towards high alpha, and maintain a relatively high rof. Playing with a controller over a mouse pad I don't have the same strafing advantages but circling the analog stick is sufficient. The imbalance is obvious between the two tanking methods. Its not a method, its a choice. Choose better.
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 615	Posted - 2014.12.21 22:18:00 - [58] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Powerh8er wrote: "Runs a scout twenty four seven constantly ganking people by shooting them in the back with ohk weapons, calls everyone else a scrub." Actually, I run an assault now. Scouts suck because CCP decided that alpha weapons were too good, so they gave everyone entitlement HP. But this coming from a guy complaining about heavies being underpowered, yeah Im sure you're real good....scrub. Im not the one crying about dying to "OP weapons" on the forums all the time am i?
gustavo acosta Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 609	Posted - 2014.12.21 23:20:00 - [59] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The definition of being viable in PC... >says he's viable in PC >isn't a heavy GimmeDatSuhWeet isk


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