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calvin b
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
2297
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Posted - 2014.12.15 04:12:00 -
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I have enough ISK to last a very long time but there is a glaring problem with ISK payout. Even if you run cheap gear (25K) you will barely break even or go in the hole in some matches. There is very little left and this is the problem for new players. They want to see a return for their work. Why go out and bust your ass only to get 20K ISK in the good. Its the feeling I worked hard and I got rewarded accordingly.
Vote yes or no for ISK increase.
Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
5067
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Posted - 2014.12.15 04:25:00 -
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Very much yes. |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
3924
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Posted - 2014.12.15 04:28:00 -
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I don't need ISK but I don't mind getting more =ƒÿç
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6412
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Posted - 2014.12.15 05:30:00 -
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I tend to get from 275k to 375k. If I'm not running anything more than advanced then I will go positive. If I am running standard, then I will definitely go positive.
I don't see an issue. The only problem is that people are continuing to field equipment that they cannot risk losing.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
10480
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Posted - 2014.12.15 05:37:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I tend to get from 275k to 375k. If I'm not running anything more than advanced then I will go positive. If I am running standard, then I will definitely go positive.
I don't see an issue. The only problem is that people are continuing to field equipment that they cannot risk losing.
And that's the problem. They haven't realized yet that they need to balance their income with their expenses. As a skilled vet for over 2 years, I have learned that if you can master lower-tier gear then you will do fine with it and often times don't feel compelled to use higher-tier gear because you're doing well while on the cheap. Especially when running ambushes which offer the highest ISK/hour rate.
Ambush = For when you want to get more ISK. Skirmish = For when you want to get more SP. Domination = Fight Club
PS: Daily Missions also help with getting more ISK.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1333
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Posted - 2014.12.15 05:50:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I have enough ISK to last a very long time but there is a glaring problem with ISK payout. Even if you run cheap gear (25K) you will barely break even or go in the hole in some matches. There is very little left and this is the problem for new players. They want to see a return for their work. Why go out and bust your ass only to get 20K ISK in the good. Its the feeling I worked hard and I got rewarded accordingly.
Vote yes or no for ISK increase.
Yes, I am tired of hearing poor people beg.
Once you give a payout raise people will just whine that they still cant afford to run their proto suits that have no cores behind them and come back begging for more. A vicious cycle indeed.
HMM maybe I will change my vote NO since poor people gonna poor people.
GIT GUD
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
5071
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Posted - 2014.12.15 05:52:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I tend to get from 275k to 375k. If I'm not running anything more than advanced then I will go positive. If I am running standard, then I will definitely go positive.
I don't see an issue. The only problem is that people are continuing to field equipment that they cannot risk losing. And that's the problem. They haven't realized yet that they need to balance their income with their expenses. As a skilled vet for over 2 years, I have learned that if you can master lower-tier gear then you will do fine with it and often times don't feel compelled to use higher-tier gear because you're doing well while on the cheap. Especially when running ambushes which offer the highest ISK/hour rate. Ambush = For when you want to get more ISK. Skirmish = For when you want to get more SP. Domination = Fight Club PS: Daily Missions also help with getting more ISK. The first rule about Domination, is we don't talk about Domination. |
calvin b
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
2298
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Posted - 2014.12.15 06:19:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I tend to get from 275k to 375k. If I'm not running anything more than advanced then I will go positive. If I am running standard, then I will definitely go positive.
I don't see an issue. The only problem is that people are continuing to field equipment that they cannot risk losing.
Its not about losing the equipment. Its about the reward vs. the risk.
Example: I hire you to carry light bulbs across a mine field while people randomly shoot at you. If you survive and none of the bulbs are broken you get 250K dollars. Now for every bulb broken you lose just 20K dollars. Do you think its worth it to cross and deliver any cargo across a mine field while being shot at, no. In dust your the clone that must go out and die if needed over and over while trying to win. Work hard for little pay is the reason for this thread.
Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD RUST415
509
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Posted - 2014.12.15 06:34:00 -
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Hell they seem to have gotten worse not better as of late.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Sequal Rise
Les Desanusseurs
441
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Posted - 2014.12.15 06:46:00 -
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Bradric Banewolf wrote:Hell they seem to have gotten worse not better as of late. Yes... and yes to the OP^^
Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
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V1RONXSS
X-SENSE Security
27
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Posted - 2014.12.15 08:10:00 -
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No. Currently isk payouts seems to be fair. Well i still run 60% drogonfly or raven suits and do not care about Proto, i heard there good payouts in PC matches, join and make some money if u so in need of them. Also for ppl like u CCP relised Apex. All in your hands.
The "Chiki Briki v Damki" Starter Pack.
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abdullah muzaffar
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
94
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Posted - 2014.12.15 08:12:00 -
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Yes. Not everyone can buy bpos. |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6414
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Posted - 2014.12.15 10:35:00 -
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calvin b wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I tend to get from 275k to 375k. If I'm not running anything more than advanced then I will go positive. If I am running standard, then I will definitely go positive.
I don't see an issue. The only problem is that people are continuing to field equipment that they cannot risk losing. Its not about losing the equipment. Its about the reward vs. the risk. Example: I hire you to carry light bulbs across a mine field while people randomly shoot at you. If you survive and none of the bulbs are broken you get 250K dollars. Now for every bulb broken you lose just 20K dollars. Do you think its worth it to cross and deliver any cargo across a mine field while being shot at, no. In dust your the clone that must go out and die if needed over and over while trying to win. Work hard for little pay is the reason for this thread. Real life Gëá Game
This is because of game balance.
If CCP decided to add three zeros to payouts and three zeros to prices, would you feel better?
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game RUST415
896
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Posted - 2014.12.15 10:59:00 -
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abdullah muzaffar wrote:Yes. Not everyone can buy bpos. faction warfare is that way <------
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Robocop Junior
research lab
959
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Posted - 2014.12.15 11:07:00 -
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Yes please, just dropped 50 in skirm, minus the 60k for 5 deaths a whopping 360k profit. I can afk in ambush with uplinks and make half that for doing nothing, such bs.
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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Jack the Rlpper
Fearless Infinity
15
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Posted - 2014.12.15 11:18:00 -
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I vote yes to increased payouts |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6416
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Posted - 2014.12.15 11:30:00 -
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Jack the Rlpper wrote:I vote yes to increased payouts This is not a direct democracy. You do not get to vote.
Put your flags up in the sky.
And wave them side to side.
Show the world where you're from.
Show the world we are one.
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G Felix
Titans of Phoenix
376
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Posted - 2014.12.15 11:32:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I tend to get from 275k to 375k. If I'm not running anything more than advanced then I will go positive. If I am running standard, then I will definitely go positive.
I don't see an issue. The only problem is that people are continuing to field equipment that they cannot risk losing. And that's the problem. They haven't realized yet that they need to balance their income with their expenses. As a skilled vet for over 2 years, I have learned that if you can master lower-tier gear then you will do fine with it and often times don't feel compelled to use higher-tier gear because you're doing well while on the cheap. Especially when running ambushes which offer the highest ISK/hour rate. Ambush = For when you want to get more ISK. Skirmish = For when you want to get more SP. Domination = Fight Club PS: Daily Missions also help with getting more ISK. The first rule about Domination, is we don't talk about Domination.
I am so angry you beat me to this. Touche sir, touche.
Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
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Starlight Burner
ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance
51
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Posted - 2014.12.15 11:46:00 -
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Yes to increase payouts.
Yes, I have Amar Assault APEX BPO. but I too bust my ass off and get paid **** for doing so.
Either payouts need an increase or CCP needs to look at how people get paid for their efforts.
This shared pool payouts is stupid as ****.
Thank god for CCP Rattati!!
Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
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Sinboto Simmons
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
6754
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Posted - 2014.12.15 12:43:00 -
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signing yes.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1
Born of the Brutor tribe
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance
283
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Posted - 2014.12.15 12:59:00 -
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Run front line suits in a few ambush matches.
Or learn the magic of militia and basic fittings.
G.L.O.R.Y Soldier,
I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3
-Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
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Sequal Rise
Les Desanusseurs
443
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Posted - 2014.12.15 13:18:00 -
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boba's fetta wrote:abdullah muzaffar wrote:Yes. Not everyone can buy bpos. faction warfare is that way <------ 10M Isk+ all the isk lost during the FW battles + all the time spent in the merc quarter waiting for a battle, in order to buy a bad fitted suit which is crappier than any standard suit? No thanks.
Assault, Logi, Scout, Heavy.. What do you need?
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Meeko Fent
True Illuminate
2296
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Posted - 2014.12.15 14:28:00 -
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calvin b wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I tend to get from 275k to 375k. If I'm not running anything more than advanced then I will go positive. If I am running standard, then I will definitely go positive.
I don't see an issue. The only problem is that people are continuing to field equipment that they cannot risk losing. Its not about losing the equipment. Its about the reward vs. the risk. Example: I hire you to carry light bulbs across a mine field while people randomly shoot at you. If you survive and none of the bulbs are broken you get 250K dollars. Now for every bulb broken you lose just 20K dollars. Do you think its worth it to cross and deliver any cargo across a mine field while being shot at, no. In dust your the clone that must go out and die if needed over and over while trying to win. Work hard for little pay is the reason for this thread. Let's say you have a magic that let's you summon any destroyed light bulb from the grave. Cause that's how starter fits work.
Meeko's Guide to playing Pubs ISK efficent
1)Run Standard 2)Don't die 3)Do something for free money 4)Do those missions too 5)Skill into the special suits. Their cheaper
Follow these rules and you should be easily able to go ISK positive easily.
Git good scrub.
I am the bluedot. And I will rise again.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
10484
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Posted - 2014.12.16 04:51:00 -
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calvin b wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I tend to get from 275k to 375k. If I'm not running anything more than advanced then I will go positive. If I am running standard, then I will definitely go positive.
I don't see an issue. The only problem is that people are continuing to field equipment that they cannot risk losing. Its not about losing the equipment. Its about the reward vs. the risk. Example: I hire you to carry light bulbs across a mine field while people randomly shoot at you. If you survive and none of the bulbs are broken you get 250K dollars. Now for every bulb broken you lose just 20K dollars. Do you think its worth it to cross and deliver any cargo across a mine field while being shot at, no. In dust your the clone that must go out and die if needed over and over while trying to win. Work hard for little pay is the reason for this thread.
I'm sorry, but that's a bad analogy. There is a way in which you can magically get rid of the $20,000 penalty by simply running Starter Fits which are 100% free and come with every character just like how Eve Online players are all born with a free Rookie Ship and 1 unit of Tritanium. There is a way to go completely ISK positive in Dust even in matches like Faction Warfare. The trick is getting the experience and unfortunately that experience is the result of dying a lot.
When you're in a weak suit, you start to learn how to pick your battles. You start to appreciate the importance of staying close to the herd even if that herd is nothing but a bunch of randoms because of the fact that there is always safety in numbers. Eventually you'll get to the point where you have become proficient with weak gear which invariably leads you to being able to have a better survival rate when you are using better and more expensive gear.
I have a certain doctrine I follow as a solo player which is as follows.
1. Always have a minimum balance as a reserve for those rainy days. 2. Always tell yourself how many times you can throw away an expensive fit before you have to switch to a cheaper one at the beginning of a match. 3. Always have a free fit standing by just in case you run out of options. 4. If the situation doesn't require using an expensive fitting, don't use it. 5. Set aside at least one day of the week to dedicate yourself to grinding Ambush matches in free or cheap gear so you can build up your minimum balance quickly.
As long as I stick to this doctrine, I'm good financially.
Off Topic: I have seen one Eve player beg in local for 5,000 ISK when all he had to do to get that ISK is warp to a nearby asteroid belt, kill an NPC rat, and then wait 15 minutes to collect the 5,000 ISK bounty. You often wonder what players do with their ISK if they have to beg.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5472
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Posted - 2014.12.16 06:18:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Run front line suits in a few ambush matches.
Or learn the magic of militia and basic fittings.
Heck yeah!
Gotta feed the best players' KDR
Only4-5KDRpubbiesCanRunADV24/7|PCplyrsRunPRO&smashSTD/MLTplyrs24/7. ThisIsHowIt'sAlwaysBeen,ThereforeMustStayThisWay.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5472
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Posted - 2014.12.16 06:27:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:calvin b wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I tend to get from 275k to 375k. If I'm not running anything more than advanced then I will go positive. If I am running standard, then I will definitely go positive.
I don't see an issue. The only problem is that people are continuing to field equipment that they cannot risk losing. Its not about losing the equipment. Its about the reward vs. the risk. Example: I hire you to carry light bulbs across a mine field while people randomly shoot at you. If you survive and none of the bulbs are broken you get 250K dollars. Now for every bulb broken you lose just 20K dollars. Do you think its worth it to cross and deliver any cargo across a mine field while being shot at, no. In dust your the clone that must go out and die if needed over and over while trying to win. Work hard for little pay is the reason for this thread. I'm sorry, but that's a bad analogy. There is a way in which you can magically get rid of the $20,000 penalty by simply running Starter Fits which are 100% free and come with every character just like how Eve Online players are all born with a free Rookie Ship and 1 unit of Tritanium. There is a way to go completely ISK positive in Dust even in matches like Faction Warfare. The trick is getting the experience and unfortunately that experience is the result of dying a lot. When you're in a weak suit, you start to learn how to pick your battles. You start to appreciate the importance of staying close to the herd even if that herd is nothing but a bunch of randoms because of the fact that there is always safety in numbers. Eventually you'll get to the point where you have become proficient with weak gear which invariably leads you to being able to have a better survival rate when you are using better and more expensive gear. I have a certain doctrine I follow as a solo player which is as follows. 1. Always have a minimum balance as a reserve for those rainy days. 2. Always tell yourself how many times you can throw away an expensive fit before you have to switch to a cheaper one at the beginning of a match. 3. Always have a free fit standing by just in case you run out of options. 4. If the situation doesn't require using an expensive fitting, don't use it. 5. Set aside at least one day of the week to dedicate yourself to grinding Ambush matches in free or cheap gear so you can build up your minimum balance quickly. As long as I stick to this doctrine, I'm good financially. Off Topic: I have seen one Eve player beg in local for 5,000 ISK when all he had to do to get that ISK is warp to a nearby asteroid belt, kill an NPC rat, and then wait 15 minutes to collect the 5,000 ISK bounty. You often wonder what players do with their ISK if they have to beg.
But honestly, how much do you play? I have you in my contacts from when we were in PRO together two years ago. I don't think I've seen you get more than a few hundred kills a month.
Solo players don't have to worry about ISK. Winning and losing doesn't matter. Squad players are expected to keep pushing for a win. A logi running free suits is hurting his squad. It really all snowballs from there. I wonder how many people go from "hey this game is fun, I'm going to join a corp and run in squads" to "F this, this is expensive" then become solo players and play sporadically if at all?
Bumping payouts would be good for the game. The accelerated SP acrual made the game a bit less grindy, increased payouts will make it more fun. I also think it would have an impact on veterans by increasing competition instead of the MLT gear turkey shoots seen so often.
Only4-5KDRpubbiesCanRunADV24/7|PCplyrsRunPRO&smashSTD/MLTplyrs24/7. ThisIsHowIt'sAlwaysBeen,ThereforeMustStayThisWay.
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CCP Rattati
C C P C C P Alliance
13676
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Posted - 2014.12.16 06:28:00 -
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CPM SirManBoy is advocating an increased Salvage method that is based on your contribution. Will not help hackers much but it might be something worth exploring.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
5094
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Posted - 2014.12.16 06:31:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:CPM SirManBoy is advocating an increased Salvage method that is based on your contribution. Will not help hackers much but it might be something worth exploring. Elaborate on that, please. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
5474
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Posted - 2014.12.16 06:34:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:CPM SirManBoy is advocating an increased Salvage method that is based on your contribution. Will not help hackers much but it might be something worth exploring.
I like his proposal, but I think support players would have to rely on donations from squad mates. Overall I don't think that's a bad thing though.
I had a match earlier where I finished #3 at 22-8. I was solo. The blues weren't pushing so I pulled out a proto suit. I ended up losing two. Combined with losing 6 20K heavy suits I lost 620K ISK and got paid 240K ISK for a net loss of 380K. I think that's ridiculous.
Only4-5KDRpubbiesCanRunADV24/7|PCplyrsRunPRO&smashSTD/MLTplyrs24/7. ThisIsHowIt'sAlwaysBeen,ThereforeMustStayThisWay.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
10492
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Posted - 2014.12.16 06:36:00 -
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@Thor
Perhaps you do have a point.
In regards to me, I don't focus too much on KDR. I focus on how much I earn compared to how much I spend. Also, since I'm a dedicated nova knifer with very specific targets to chase, you should understand why my kills are not as plentiful as you think. It's been like that long before I even joined PRO.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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