DUST Search - Proof That Armor Triumphs Over Shields...

Buwaro Draemon wrote:

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:

shields work well if you play as intended with caldari/minmatar.

Caldari, Primary racial enemy is Gallente specialize in short range high damage weaponry. keep at range and receive small amounts of damge from your enemys wepaons as you're outside their optimal range.

Minmatar, Primary racial enemy Amarr. slow dumb, cumbersome opponents, use fast hit/run tactics taking short amounts of high damage with fast recharges of shields.

yeah soemtimes a suit doesn't have the racial weaponry but if you see a lot of reds using Combat rifles, change to heavy shields, if they're using BAR change to armour tanked rail rifle. as i've said in many posts before. DUST is rock, paper, scissors (lizzard, spock) don't come QQ'ing because your scrub FOTM is gettign its ass kicked, look at whats killing you and find the rock to crush their scissors

Gallente suit will beat out a shied suit at ranges where it matters. If a cal suit is subject to camping at 80m from an objective, they will never cap it.

This isn't eve...where all that you have to do is kill another ship. So, sure....a caldari ship can stay out of range of a gallente ship and be successful because all that matters is ship destruction, right? In fps, you have to cap letters and defend them.

To put this into perspective

I have my Gallente Assault suit into level 4 and my Caldari Assault into level 1.

All armor skills for infantry in level 5 and all shield skills in infantry level 3.

Last week I got a 'Pyrus' ADV Cal suit. Since it is an Aurum suit I could use it even if I have level 1 in CalAssault.

I slapped in an ADV Rail Rifle toppled with 2 Enhanced Shield Extenders and 1 enhanced energizer and 1 enhanced recharger. On lows I put 2 enhanced regulators.

I went 20/1 with that suit sticking to it's supposed fighting style which is long range.

On my GalAssault I the most I can get in an average match is 15, on a good match is 20+ but also dying 5+ times

If you want to use a Caldari suit for close range combat then you will be at a disadvantage ofcourse.

Now, I will admit that Skirmish and Domination game modes are not good for the suit because if you want to win you gotta hack the objective. In Ambush these suits shine a little more since the only objective is too kill.

Now, I believe that when Skirmish 1.0 makes its long awaited return, Caldari suits would start to shine even better.

But for now also look at the kill feed. All you see is:
Combat Rifles
Rail Rifles
Assault Rail Rifles
HMGs
Breach ARs
Shotguns

Now, 4 of those are anti-armor weapons and absolutely wreak armor.
2 of them are Anti-Shield but one needs for you to get extremely close and the other well, it's not that OP.

Now, you should feel ashamed that I can use shield suits better than you, and I have been running all armor suits and Gallente suits 90% of the time ever since Uprising launched.

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Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3556	Posted - 2014.12.13 13:24:00 - [1] - Quote I picked up Rattati's fitted dropsuit from the daily missions. Guess which race it was? Gallente....armor-based, of course. If I were a dev, my favorite suit would be the most effective and favorited as well :) > Check RND out here
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2904	Posted - 2014.12.13 13:31:00 - [2] - Quote Or it could be that he chose Galente when he first started because he liked the Bird. Or because he finds them the most interesting. Or because he is into the the freaky sex stuff that the Gallente are known for. Or because he just really hates the Caldari. Or because they wanted to have each officer suit be from all the different races. Hell, there was a 50% chance that whatever race he could possible choose to be able to fit the argument you are attempting to craft. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3556	Posted - 2014.12.13 13:34:00 - [3] - Quote Or, because he knows armor suits are the most beast fits > Check RND out here
pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1095	Posted - 2014.12.13 13:39:00 - [4] - Quote >Proof Are you serious? One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 374	Posted - 2014.12.13 13:46:00 - [5] - Quote Armour beats shied cqc and thats the way its supposed to be. shield is meant to take little damage at png range for caldari, and matari have peed to make up for it. Gassault Calogi - Ranked #763 on the forums `- Open Beta Vet - 32mil sp - - GFC, GJR Approved -`
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 594	Posted - 2014.12.13 14:31:00 - [6] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: Armour beats shied cqc and thats the way its supposed to be. shield is meant to take little damage at png range for caldari, and matari have peed to make up for it. Could you stop repeating this in every shields-related thread please? We all know you don't want shield tanking to be balanced with armor tanking, don't bother repeating it. Take a bow
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14409	Posted - 2014.12.13 15:13:00 - [7] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: Armour beats shied cqc and thats the way its supposed to be. shield is meant to take little damage at png range for caldari, and matari have peed to make up for it. Confirming that you have no idea of what your talking about. At long ranges, Armor is far superior than Shields as they have Triage hives which can boost their HP/s from ~25HP/s to somewhere along the lines of 70-210HP/s without having to wait for a delay. That, and the increased eHP allows you to stand out of cover longer than Shields. Shields on the other hand, have their regen stopped if a round touches them (even if said round is dealing less than 1HP), meaning you have to wait even longer before you can exit cover. As for what wins in CQC, whether or not they're Armored or Shielded doesn't matter as it's the weapon used against you that determines that. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 699	Posted - 2014.12.13 15:24:00 - [8] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I picked up Rattati's fitted dropsuit from the daily missions. Guess which race it was? Gallente....armor-based, of course. If I were a dev, my favorite suit would be the most effective and favorited as well :) I wanted to know if it was equipped with a BAR as well? Because if so... well that makes sense...
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6374	Posted - 2014.12.13 15:45:00 - [9] - Quote Scotsman Ck.0. That is my rebuttal. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5512	Posted - 2014.12.13 17:39:00 - [10] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Scotsman Ck.0. That is my rebuttal. Excellent rebuttal. As someone who is specced into both Amarr and Caldari Assault, I don't feel either has a real advantage over the other as far as HP. Again, I think we need to look at reducing the racial damage bonuses on guns. 15% and 20% is getting a bit insane when you can increase those by another 15% with Proficiency skill. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2764	Posted - 2014.12.13 17:44:00 - [11] - Quote It has always been obvious. Armour suits benefit from triage hives and remote repair tools /thread. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
thehellisgoingon The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 55	Posted - 2014.12.13 17:48:00 - [12] - Quote One flux grenade will flux you shields cats up
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3563	Posted - 2014.12.13 23:39:00 - [13] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Scotsman Ck.0. That is my rebuttal. Who's Scotsman.....and who is taking the reigns of development now? > Check RND out here
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4215	Posted - 2014.12.13 23:57:00 - [14] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I picked up Rattati's fitted dropsuit from the daily missions. Guess which race it was? Gallente....armor-based, of course. If I were a dev, my favorite suit would be the most effective and favorited as well :) XD the best proof. I remember liking RatTitties just because of his suit. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3615	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:20:00 - [15] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Scotsman Ck.0. That is my rebuttal. Excellent rebuttal. Have any of you actually seen Scotsman Ck.0 fit lol? It totally sucks...that suit couldn't stand a chance vs other suits. Rattati's suit is actually practical....you can do some work with his suit. Scotsman's suit is just good for afk farming in the redline. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4275	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:23:00 - [16] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Scotsman Ck.0. That is my rebuttal. Excellent rebuttal. Have any of you actually seen Scotsman Ck.0 fit lol? It totally sucks...that suit couldn't stand a chance vs other suits. Rattati's suit is actually practical....you can do some work with his suit. Scotsman's suit is just good for afk farming in the redline. Is GM Scotsman still around? Maybe he could tweak his suit not to be a LawlCK.0 "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6612	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:31:00 - [17] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Scotsman Ck.0. That is my rebuttal. Excellent rebuttal. Have any of you actually seen Scotsman Ck.0 fit lol? It totally sucks...that suit couldn't stand a chance vs other suits. Rattati's suit is actually practical....you can do some work with his suit. Scotsman's suit is just good for afk farming in the redline. Is GM Scotsman still around? Maybe he could tweak his suit not to be a LawlCK.0 Guys, it's lack of understanding such as this that makes people disrespect the Gallente. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 478	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:35:00 - [18] - Quote You do know that Rattati's preffered race is Gallente right? He even said so when he was introduced as the new Dev responsible for Dust's management. So yeah, if there is going to be a suit dedicated to Rattati of course it should be Gallente Side effects of playing Dust: Emotional trauma, Anger Management issues, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and Depression
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3615	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:35:00 - [19] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Scotsman Ck.0. That is my rebuttal. Excellent rebuttal. Have any of you actually seen Scotsman Ck.0 fit lol? It totally sucks...that suit couldn't stand a chance vs other suits. Rattati's suit is actually practical....you can do some work with his suit. Scotsman's suit is just good for afk farming in the redline. Is GM Scotsman still around? Maybe he could tweak his suit not to be a LawlCK.0 Guys, it's lack of understanding such as this that makes people disrespect the Gallente. What do you mean? We're all praising the gallente...because it's so much superior. Scotsman Ck.0 is horrible Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3615	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:36:00 - [20] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: You do know that Rattati's preffered race is Gallente right? He even said so when he was introduced as the new Dev responsible for Dust's management. So yeah, if there is going to be a suit dedicated to Rattati of course it should be Gallente That is my point as well..of course it's the preferred race. He knows what the suit is capable of because he's behind the scenes. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here

Nirwanda Vaughns 1137	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:42:00 - [21] - Quote shields work well if you play as intended with caldari/minmatar. Caldari, Primary racial enemy is Gallente specialize in short range high damage weaponry. keep at range and receive small amounts of damge from your enemys wepaons as you're outside their optimal range. Minmatar, Primary racial enemy Amarr. slow dumb, cumbersome opponents, use fast hit/run tactics taking short amounts of high damage with fast recharges of shields. yeah soemtimes a suit doesn't have the racial weaponry but if you see a lot of reds using Combat rifles, change to heavy shields, if they're using BAR change to armour tanked rail rifle. as i've said in many posts before. DUST is rock, paper, scissors (lizzard, spock) don't come QQ'ing because your scrub FOTM is gettign its ass kicked, look at whats killing you and find the rock to crush their scissors Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3615	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:47:00 - [22] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: shields work well if you play as intended with caldari/minmatar. Caldari, Primary racial enemy is Gallente specialize in short range high damage weaponry. keep at range and receive small amounts of damge from your enemys wepaons as you're outside their optimal range. Minmatar, Primary racial enemy Amarr. slow dumb, cumbersome opponents, use fast hit/run tactics taking short amounts of high damage with fast recharges of shields. yeah soemtimes a suit doesn't have the racial weaponry but if you see a lot of reds using Combat rifles, change to heavy shields, if they're using BAR change to armour tanked rail rifle. as i've said in many posts before. DUST is rock, paper, scissors (lizzard, spock) don't come QQ'ing because your scrub FOTM is gettign its ass kicked, look at whats killing you and find the rock to crush their scissors Gallente suit will beat out a shied suit at ranges where it matters. If a cal suit is subject to camping at 80m from an objective, they will never cap it. This isn't eve...where all that you have to do is kill another ship. So, sure....a caldari ship can stay out of range of a gallente ship and be successful because all that matters is ship destruction, right? In fps, you have to cap letters and defend them. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1440	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:49:00 - [23] - Quote Or maybe he hates the scruby rail rifle and loves the balanced AR Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx 230	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:51:00 - [24] - Quote Strafing>armor "In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane" Homer J Simpson
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3615	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:52:00 - [25] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Or maybe he hates the scruby rail rifle and loves the balanced AR weapon is irrelevant....just because you're using a particular race's dropsuit doesn't mean that you have to be married to the weapon that has the racial bonus. Cal's racial bonus is reload speed to rail rifle....that is an insignificant bonus. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3615	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:52:00 - [26] - Quote JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: Strafing>armor Caldari and Gallente suits have the same strafing speed, soo..... Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1449	Posted - 2014.12.28 00:54:00 - [27] - Quote armor sucks if your slopping the MD.. i respeced back into shields on a proto min assault.. my old chrome fit was MD, shields, kincats on minmatar assault.. feels good to return to that. yea but for riflemen the armor fits are good.. for a new player his best option is to go enhanced armor plates on a gal assault/breach AR.. but if you MD then shields are preferable.. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 478	Posted - 2014.12.28 01:06:00 - [28] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: shields work well if you play as intended with caldari/minmatar. Caldari, Primary racial enemy is Gallente specialize in short range high damage weaponry. keep at range and receive small amounts of damge from your enemys wepaons as you're outside their optimal range. Minmatar, Primary racial enemy Amarr. slow dumb, cumbersome opponents, use fast hit/run tactics taking short amounts of high damage with fast recharges of shields. yeah soemtimes a suit doesn't have the racial weaponry but if you see a lot of reds using Combat rifles, change to heavy shields, if they're using BAR change to armour tanked rail rifle. as i've said in many posts before. DUST is rock, paper, scissors (lizzard, spock) don't come QQ'ing because your scrub FOTM is gettign its ass kicked, look at whats killing you and find the rock to crush their scissors Gallente suit will beat out a shied suit at ranges where it matters. If a cal suit is subject to camping at 80m from an objective, they will never cap it. This isn't eve...where all that you have to do is kill another ship. So, sure....a caldari ship can stay out of range of a gallente ship and be successful because all that matters is ship destruction, right? In fps, you have to cap letters and defend them. To put this into perspective I have my Gallente Assault suit into level 4 and my Caldari Assault into level 1. All armor skills for infantry in level 5 and all shield skills in infantry level 3. Last week I got a 'Pyrus' ADV Cal suit. Since it is an Aurum suit I could use it even if I have level 1 in CalAssault. I slapped in an ADV Rail Rifle toppled with 2 Enhanced Shield Extenders and 1 enhanced energizer and 1 enhanced recharger. On lows I put 2 enhanced regulators. I went 20/1 with that suit sticking to it's supposed fighting style which is long range. On my GalAssault I the most I can get in an average match is 15, on a good match is 20+ but also dying 5+ times If you want to use a Caldari suit for close range combat then you will be at a disadvantage ofcourse. Now, I will admit that Skirmish and Domination game modes are not good for the suit because if you want to win you gotta hack the objective. In Ambush these suits shine a little more since the only objective is too kill. Now, I believe that when Skirmish 1.0 makes its long awaited return, Caldari suits would start to shine even better. But for now also look at the kill feed. All you see is: Combat Rifles Rail Rifles Assault Rail Rifles HMGs Breach ARs Shotguns Now, 4 of those are anti-armor weapons and absolutely wreak armor. 2 of them are Anti-Shield but one needs for you to get extremely close and the other well, it's not that OP. Now, you should feel ashamed that I can use shield suits better than you, and I have been running all armor suits and Gallente suits 90% of the time ever since Uprising launched. Side effects of playing Dust: Emotional trauma, Anger Management issues, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and Depression
Nirwanda Vaughns 1138	Posted - 2014.12.28 01:10:00 - [29] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: shields work well if you play as intended with caldari/minmatar. Caldari, Primary racial enemy is Gallente specialize in short range high damage weaponry. keep at range and receive small amounts of damge from your enemys wepaons as you're outside their optimal range. Minmatar, Primary racial enemy Amarr. slow dumb, cumbersome opponents, use fast hit/run tactics taking short amounts of high damage with fast recharges of shields. yeah soemtimes a suit doesn't have the racial weaponry but if you see a lot of reds using Combat rifles, change to heavy shields, if they're using BAR change to armour tanked rail rifle. as i've said in many posts before. DUST is rock, paper, scissors (lizzard, spock) don't come QQ'ing because your scrub FOTM is gettign its ass kicked, look at whats killing you and find the rock to crush their scissors Gallente suit will beat out a shied suit at ranges where it matters. If a cal suit is subject to camping at 80m from an objective, they will never cap it. This isn't eve...where all that you have to do is kill another ship. So, sure....a caldari ship can stay out of range of a gallente ship and be successful because all that matters is ship destruction, right? In fps, you have to cap letters and defend them. i've cut through plenty armour tankers with my caldari assault/commandos even with a basic RR. a breach or AR has its limits and yes caldari are supposed to sit at range and camp and yes technically this is EVE. the racial profiles and playstyles of the 4 races have been outlined fo rthe past 11yrs. get used to it, play the way that benefits the race and adapt to the enemy. pick your fights and run when you have to, seriously its not rocket science. your one suit can't take on the world, it takes time but if your racial preference is leavign you short then begin killign into a complimentary race. if you're caldari and need close quarters then choose minmatar for CQC weapons that can also use the shield skills you already have on their suits. Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3615	Posted - 2014.12.28 01:14:00 - [30] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: shields work well if you play as intended with caldari/minmatar. Caldari, Primary racial enemy is Gallente specialize in short range high damage weaponry. keep at range and receive small amounts of damge from your enemys wepaons as you're outside their optimal range. Minmatar, Primary racial enemy Amarr. slow dumb, cumbersome opponents, use fast hit/run tactics taking short amounts of high damage with fast recharges of shields. yeah soemtimes a suit doesn't have the racial weaponry but if you see a lot of reds using Combat rifles, change to heavy shields, if they're using BAR change to armour tanked rail rifle. as i've said in many posts before. DUST is rock, paper, scissors (lizzard, spock) don't come QQ'ing because your scrub FOTM is gettign its ass kicked, look at whats killing you and find the rock to crush their scissors Gallente suit will beat out a shied suit at ranges where it matters. If a cal suit is subject to camping at 80m from an objective, they will never cap it. This isn't eve...where all that you have to do is kill another ship. So, sure....a caldari ship can stay out of range of a gallente ship and be successful because all that matters is ship destruction, right? In fps, you have to cap letters and defend them. To put this into perspective I have my Gallente Assault suit into level 4 and my Caldari Assault into level 1. All armor skills for infantry in level 5 and all shield skills in infantry level 3. Last week I got a 'Pyrus' ADV Cal suit. Since it is an Aurum suit I could use it even if I have level 1 in CalAssault. I slapped in an ADV Rail Rifle toppled with 2 Enhanced Shield Extenders and 1 enhanced energizer and 1 enhanced recharger. On lows I put 2 enhanced regulators. I went 20/1 with that suit sticking to it's supposed fighting style which is long range. On my GalAssault I the most I can get in an average match is 15, on a good match is 20+ but also dying 5+ times If you want to use a Caldari suit for close range combat then you will be at a disadvantage ofcourse. Now, I will admit that Skirmish and Domination game modes are not good for the suit because if you want to win you gotta hack the objective. In Ambush these suits shine a little more since the only objective is too kill. Now, I believe that when Skirmish 1.0 makes its long awaited return, Caldari suits would start to shine even better. But for now also look at the kill feed. All you see is: Combat Rifles Rail Rifles Assault Rail Rifles HMGs Breach ARs Shotguns Now, 4 of those are anti-armor weapons and absolutely wreak armor. 2 of them are Anti-Shield but one needs for you to get extremely close and the other well, it's not that OP. Now, you should feel ashamed that I can use shield suits better than you, and I have been running all armor suits and Gallente suits 90% of the time ever since Uprising launched. I've had good scores with any suit....min, cal, and gal. You can do anything you want in most pubs if the competition level is at a minimum. My point is that armor suits are configured better for killing. Cal assault is at a disadvantage to armor suits 1v1. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here



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