DUST Search - If shield tanking is so cool and fine as you say,

Cat Merc wrote:

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Was fighting a Cal Scout.
His shields recharged fully before I could reload my Plasma Rifle.

Clearly shields are UP and need a buff.

You had to have missed them for around 5 seconds then. Not sure if actually that bad or lying to make a point... any damage including 0 damage and the shields stop resetting. They also take 3 seconds to begin recharging or 4 seconds if on delay assuming the guy had no extenders on. If you empty 36/60 PR rounds and didn't kill them you deserved to lose the encounter anyways.

Sure, because you can hit 100% of your shots when a Cal Scout is strafing and jump around like a hyped rabbit.

Anyway what actually happened was that I just engaged his friend, so I was out of ammo, so I switched to my Ion Pistol.
It decided to overheat on me before I could finish off his last bit of armor, and by the time it came out of overheat he already regained a bit of shields, meaning I couldn't kill him with the last few shots.
So I switched my Plasma Rifle and reloaded, as I did that his shields got back up to full.

Well yeah when you actually define it that's what happened and in no way shows that shields are op... I don't expect 100% accuracy that's lunacy but assuming it was the standard variant PR that's at least around 30 damage at standard level with a 33 damage hit on shields. Assuming the guy was shield tanked to the max that's around 15/60 shots needing to land to kill him, the fact that you didn't finish his shields was what did you in though on the reload as his shield delay would be 3 seconds assuming he had no regulators. In any case, the scenario you provide was absolutely reasonable for you to lose the fight if you didn't even have a full magazine. Can't expect to win every >1v1.

Well, first I made sure to stop his shield regen with my last few Ion Pistol shots.

Second, I didn't lose it. The dude was terrible.
While this entire fight was going on, a shotgun scout was chasing me around and trying to kill me.
He kept missing, and when I finally got the Cal Scout after 10 seconds of running around, I finished him off.

It was hilarious.

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Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 587	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:30:00 - [1] - Quote then why is 90% of the player base armor tanked? How would you explain that? Yup, the other 10% has plates on their lows as well. lol Take a bow
hfderrtgvcd 1503	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:32:00 - [2] - Quote Actually 97.3% of suits on the battlefield are caldari assaults. See how easy it is to pull numbers out of my ass? You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 674	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:37:00 - [3] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: then why is 90% of the player base armor tanked? How would you explain that? Yup, the other 10% has plates on their lows as well. lol Because it's not fine and cool just most of us have given up on any hope and switched to armor tanking. I typically stack damage mods and maybe some regen on a Caldari (At least when I used to have Caldari suits before I respecced) because extenders just aren't worth it. Who cares if you have 700 shields if one charged ScR shot or 1.5 seconds of fire from a BAR/LR strip them off you and om nom your low armor. There's a reason Caldari suits are pretty rare. I run the Covenant C-1 BPO and I feel bad everytime I kill a non scout caldari suit above STD level, it's just a waste of isk. If you've got time to hide in a corner and wait for your shield regen to quick in and then hide until they are completely repleted (As splash damage from a 0 damage forge gun resets shield regen on dropsuits) then you have time to armor rep and can poke in and out of cover while doing it. Simply put they are just no good. Caldari Scouts are only good because of their voodoo bullet dodging magic. No one really cares though because Amarr bitched until they were made identical to the Gallente as armor tankers and Minmitar well we can more effectively use the only good mods (As more than 3 damage mods is a waste anyways due to stacking penalties) and armor tank better than the Caldari. Most of the player base doesn't care about shield tanking because thanks to "lore" changes only 1 race even cares about shields.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 674	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:37:00 - [4] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Actually 97.3% of suits on the battlefield are caldari assaults. See how easy it is to pull numbers out of my ass? If you are going to **** post can you at least not do so with a massive gap?
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 6723	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:39:00 - [5] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Actually 97.3% of suits on the battlefield are caldari assaults. See how easy it is to pull numbers out of my ass? If you are going to **** post can you at least not do so with a massive gap? Good to know I'm not the only one who hates that. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 Born of the Brutor tribe
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3968	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:41:00 - [6] - Quote Because in a direct encounter, HP is king. Direct encounters happen frequently in CQC situations. Nearly all objectives are situated in CQC areas. Therefor HP is king in most situations that matter. Armor has more HP than shields. Also, Flux Grenades. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law 587	Posted - 2014.12.12 22:42:00 - [7] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Actually 97.3% of suits on the battlefield are caldari assaults. See how easy it is to pull numbers out of my ass? Of course it is, but whereas my statement is valid outside of numbers, yours is not Take a bow
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13775	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:05:00 - [8] - Quote Was fighting a Cal Scout. His shields recharged fully before I could reload my Plasma Rifle. Clearly shields are UP and need a buff. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1921	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:08:00 - [9] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Because in a direct encounter, HP is king. Direct encounters happen frequently in CQC situations. Nearly all objectives are situated in CQC areas. Therefor HP is king in most situations that matter. Armor has more HP than shields. Also, Flux Grenades. You also have to take into account that for the longest time shields were more pointless than putting an afterburner on a tank so most people are skilled into armor and aren't willing to pay for a respec. [RYJC]
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1646	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:09:00 - [10] - Quote you can be slow if you want but i prefer to use range, if you're running away slowly and i;m fast with the same amount of HP and i;m killing ou from range then whos the real winner?? i get slayed with 1000 armour in amarr sentinel, with 874 shield in cal sent i can actually move, mobility and strafing win firefights, scout or heavy, that;s why good min heavies slay, because theyre mobileand nimbmle. #yes im drunk DUST VIDEOS

Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 361	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:09:00 - [11] - Quote Maybe it has something to do with Complex Shield Extenders buffing less then Militia Armor plates. And Repair Tools being unable to repair shields, and nanohives being unable to repair shields The State will always survive.
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1646	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:10:00 - [12] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Actually 97.3% of suits on the battlefield are caldari assaults. See how easy it is to pull numbers out of my ass? If you are going to **** post can you at least not do so with a massive gap? Good to know I'm not the only one who hates that. what... do you mean? DUST VIDEOS
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6318	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:10:00 - [13] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: then why is 90% of the player base armor tanked? How would you explain that? Yup, the other 10% has plates on their lows as well. lol Because im amarr. THATS why i armor tank. Caldari Assault is by far my fav suit looks like, and Regen wise (My Ck.0 assault had +450 EHP 105 shield regen per sec + 300 Armor at 7.5 rep per sec) Man, that shield regen.... <3 Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3085	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:11:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Was fighting a Cal Scout. His shields recharged fully before I could reload my Plasma Rifle. Clearly shields are UP and need a buff. Was fighting a Gal Assault. He regained 200 armor by the time i decloaked. Clearly armor is UP and needs a buff. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 678	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:13:00 - [15] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Was fighting a Cal Scout. His shields recharged fully before I could reload my Plasma Rifle. Clearly shields are UP and need a buff. You had to have missed them for around 5 seconds then. Not sure if actually that bad or lying to make a point... any damage including 0 damage and the shields stop resetting. They also take 3 seconds to begin recharging or 4 seconds if on delay assuming the guy had no extenders on.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13776	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:21:00 - [16] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Was fighting a Cal Scout. His shields recharged fully before I could reload my Plasma Rifle. Clearly shields are UP and need a buff. Was fighting a Gal Assault. He regained 200 armor by the time i decloaked. Clearly armor is UP and needs a buff. A Gal Assault that has 100 less HP than a Cal Assault It takes about 6.6 seconds to regen that amount of HP with 30hp/s. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 600	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:22:00 - [17] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: then why is 90% of the player base armor tanked? How would you explain that? Yup, the other 10% has plates on their lows as well. lol So scrubby players can boost WP's sitting in the redline with Armor stack + logi combo's Dealing justice with a swift punch in the balls, now in battles near you! Lord of the Links
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13776	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:23:00 - [18] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Was fighting a Cal Scout. His shields recharged fully before I could reload my Plasma Rifle. Clearly shields are UP and need a buff. You had to have missed them for around 5 seconds then. Not sure if actually that bad or lying to make a point... any damage including 0 damage and the shields stop resetting. They also take 3 seconds to begin recharging or 4 seconds if on delay assuming the guy had no extenders on. If you empty 36/60 PR rounds and didn't kill them you deserved to lose the encounter anyways. Sure, because you can hit 100% of your shots when a Cal Scout is strafing and jump around like a hyped rabbit. Anyway what actually happened was that I just engaged his friend, so I was out of ammo, so I switched to my Ion Pistol. It decided to overheat on me before I could finish off his last bit of armor, and by the time it came out of overheat he already regained a bit of shields, meaning I couldn't kill him with the last few shots. So I switched my Plasma Rifle and reloaded, as I did that his shields got back up to full. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8812	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:25:00 - [19] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Was fighting a Cal Scout. His shields recharged fully before I could reload my Plasma Rifle. Clearly shields are UP and need a buff. Was fighting a Gal Assault. He regained 200 armor by the time i decloaked. Clearly armor is UP and needs a buff. A Gal Assault that has 100 less HP than a Cal Assault I'm still trying to get over the fact that a Gallente Assault somehow got 60 armor hp/s. Clearly DEVHAX! CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13776	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:25:00 - [20] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Was fighting a Cal Scout. His shields recharged fully before I could reload my Plasma Rifle. Clearly shields are UP and need a buff. Was fighting a Gal Assault. He regained 200 armor by the time i decloaked. Clearly armor is UP and needs a buff. A Gal Assault that has 100 less HP than a Cal Assault I'm still trying to get over the fact that a Gallente Assault somehow got 60 armor hp/s. Clearly DEVHAX! Apparently the decloak takes 6 seconds. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6373	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:26:00 - [21] - Quote I be shield tanking; they be hatin'. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 678	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:29:00 - [22] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Was fighting a Cal Scout. His shields recharged fully before I could reload my Plasma Rifle. Clearly shields are UP and need a buff. You had to have missed them for around 5 seconds then. Not sure if actually that bad or lying to make a point... any damage including 0 damage and the shields stop resetting. They also take 3 seconds to begin recharging or 4 seconds if on delay assuming the guy had no extenders on. If you empty 36/60 PR rounds and didn't kill them you deserved to lose the encounter anyways. Sure, because you can hit 100% of your shots when a Cal Scout is strafing and jump around like a hyped rabbit. Anyway what actually happened was that I just engaged his friend, so I was out of ammo, so I switched to my Ion Pistol. It decided to overheat on me before I could finish off his last bit of armor, and by the time it came out of overheat he already regained a bit of shields, meaning I couldn't kill him with the last few shots. So I switched my Plasma Rifle and reloaded, as I did that his shields got back up to full. Well yeah when you actually define it that's what happened and in no way shows that shields are op... I don't expect 100% accuracy that's lunacy but assuming it was the standard variant PR that's at least around 30 damage at standard level with a 33 damage hit on shields. Assuming the guy was shield tanked to the max that's around 15/60 shots needing to land to kill him, the fact that you didn't finish his shields was what did you in though on the reload as his shield delay would be 3 seconds assuming he had no regulators. In any case, the scenario you provide was absolutely reasonable for you to lose the fight if you didn't even have a full magazine. Can't expect to win every >1v1.
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 600	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:30:00 - [23] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Was fighting a Cal Scout. His shields recharged fully before I could reload my Plasma Rifle. Clearly shields are UP and need a buff. Was fighting a Gal Assault. He regained 200 armor by the time i decloaked. Clearly armor is UP and needs a buff. A Gal Assault that has 100 less HP than a Cal Assault I'm still trying to get over the fact that a Gallente Assault somehow got 60 armor hp/s. Clearly DEVHAX! Reptool yo! Dealing justice with a swift punch in the balls, now in battles near you! Lord of the Links
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1648	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:36:00 - [24] - Quote amarr assault is king, alpha fast enough to kill before you can blink, low slots to rep as much as a shield based suit, ferroscale plates for mobility. it will never become fotm (scr + amarr asaault) because you still need skill. i went 28-2 yesterday with elm laser rifle, fotm scrubs better stay away, amarr is for the true kings of new eden. DUST VIDEOS
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13776	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:37:00 - [25] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Cat Merc wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Was fighting a Cal Scout. His shields recharged fully before I could reload my Plasma Rifle. Clearly shields are UP and need a buff. You had to have missed them for around 5 seconds then. Not sure if actually that bad or lying to make a point... any damage including 0 damage and the shields stop resetting. They also take 3 seconds to begin recharging or 4 seconds if on delay assuming the guy had no extenders on. If you empty 36/60 PR rounds and didn't kill them you deserved to lose the encounter anyways. Sure, because you can hit 100% of your shots when a Cal Scout is strafing and jump around like a hyped rabbit. Anyway what actually happened was that I just engaged his friend, so I was out of ammo, so I switched to my Ion Pistol. It decided to overheat on me before I could finish off his last bit of armor, and by the time it came out of overheat he already regained a bit of shields, meaning I couldn't kill him with the last few shots. So I switched my Plasma Rifle and reloaded, as I did that his shields got back up to full. Well yeah when you actually define it that's what happened and in no way shows that shields are op... I don't expect 100% accuracy that's lunacy but assuming it was the standard variant PR that's at least around 30 damage at standard level with a 33 damage hit on shields. Assuming the guy was shield tanked to the max that's around 15/60 shots needing to land to kill him, the fact that you didn't finish his shields was what did you in though on the reload as his shield delay would be 3 seconds assuming he had no regulators. In any case, the scenario you provide was absolutely reasonable for you to lose the fight if you didn't even have a full magazine. Can't expect to win every >1v1. Well, first I made sure to stop his shield regen with my last few Ion Pistol shots. Second, I didn't lose it. The dude was terrible. While this entire fight was going on, a shotgun scout was chasing me around and trying to kill me. He kept missing, and when I finally got the Cal Scout after 10 seconds of running around, I finished him off. It was hilarious. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 682	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:39:00 - [26] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: amarr assault is king, alpha fast enough to kill before you can blink, low slots to rep as much as a shield based suit, ferroscale plates for mobility. it will never become fotm (scr + amarr asaault) because you still need skill. i went 28-2 yesterday with elm laser rifle, fotm scrubs better stay away, amarr is for the true kings of new eden. Well right now the BAR is king so I see more BAR + Amarr assault but before the BAR buff the most common assault I ever saw was the ScR + Amarr assault. Not sure if you just started playing or what but June-October was Amarr assault ScR all day erryday everywhere. Only reason the ScR only got 50 less RPM was because Rattatai said it was performing on par. But considering how rare shield tanking is ScR shouldn't be on par... but I digress...
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 682	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:43:00 - [27] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Cat Merc wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Was fighting a Cal Scout. His shields recharged fully before I could reload my Plasma Rifle. Clearly shields are UP and need a buff. You had to have missed them for around 5 seconds then. Not sure if actually that bad or lying to make a point... any damage including 0 damage and the shields stop resetting. They also take 3 seconds to begin recharging or 4 seconds if on delay assuming the guy had no extenders on. If you empty 36/60 PR rounds and didn't kill them you deserved to lose the encounter anyways. Sure, because you can hit 100% of your shots when a Cal Scout is strafing and jump around like a hyped rabbit. Anyway what actually happened was that I just engaged his friend, so I was out of ammo, so I switched to my Ion Pistol. It decided to overheat on me before I could finish off his last bit of armor, and by the time it came out of overheat he already regained a bit of shields, meaning I couldn't kill him with the last few shots. So I switched my Plasma Rifle and reloaded, as I did that his shields got back up to full. Well yeah when you actually define it that's what happened and in no way shows that shields are op... I don't expect 100% accuracy that's lunacy but assuming it was the standard variant PR that's at least around 30 damage at standard level with a 33 damage hit on shields. Assuming the guy was shield tanked to the max that's around 15/60 shots needing to land to kill him, the fact that you didn't finish his shields was what did you in though on the reload as his shield delay would be 3 seconds assuming he had no regulators. In any case, the scenario you provide was absolutely reasonable for you to lose the fight if you didn't even have a full magazine. Can't expect to win every >1v1. Well, first I made sure to stop his shield regen with my last few Ion Pistol shots. Second, I didn't lose it. The dude was terrible. While this entire fight was going on, a shotgun scout was chasing me around and trying to kill me. He kept missing, and when I finally got the Cal Scout after 10 seconds of running around, I finished him off. It was hilarious. Doesn't change the fact that your example was an intentional misrepresentation . Leet skills or not you still prefaced this whole explanation with shields being UP a facetious claim, as you defined it by the fact that a cal scout could regen through your reload. Which wasn't even a true statement.
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14381	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:44:00 - [28] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Was fighting a Cal Scout. His shields recharged fully before I could reload my Plasma Rifle. Clearly shields are UP and need a buff. Of all the lies and fabrications within this thread, this is probably the most blatant. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 397	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:49:00 - [29] - Quote I just tried it and its fine. Destinys 10 year plan was great.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13777	Posted - 2014.12.12 23:53:00 - [30] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Doesn't change the fact that your example was an intentional misrepresentation . Leet skills or not you still prefaced this whole explanation with shields being UP a facetious claim, as you defined it by the fact that a cal scout could regen through your reload. Which wasn't even a true statement. It did though, I stopped his shield regen with my Ion Pistol, switched to my Plasma Rifle, reloaded, and he was already up. In what context it happened doesn't honestly matter. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++



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