DUST Search - Rest in Peace (Minmatar Scout)

Sir Dukey wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Sir Dukey wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Maybe you are the only one having that problem.... I'm speed tanking Amarr suits and having a wondrous time.

Speed tank a minmatar scout, run out of PG, not hide from simple scanners, use standard weapons on a proto suit, have a worthless cloak because everyone and their mother can pick you up with scanners. It doesn't work against good players. Maybe in pubs, but when you get into a competitive environment, everything that usually works and is funny against starterfits doesn't roll over so well when you verse good knowledgeable players. hell, I could go into a pub match and do good with melee but does it mean it's actually good and viable, no....

Cry me a river brother...... Good players do well regardless of what they use and don't have to make up excuses.

False. Against bad players they do good. When good players meet good players, the one with the better fit usually wins.

Example, herpy derpy decided to run a minmatar scout that ran 11m/s (Gasp), he runs into Derpy Herpy using a Prototype Amarr Scout with 2 complex precision enhancers and range amplifiers. Herpy Derpy doesn't see the Amarr Scout around the corner and runs straight into his super charged viziam ScR. Derpy Herpy saw Herpy Derpy coming from a mile away. Herpy Derpy continues using his fit, he is a good player, and usually goes 40-0 against starter fits, Derpy Herpy continues to use his fit and is also a good player that goes 40-0 against starter fits. In the end Derpy Herpy kills Herpy Derpy 12 times that match in his expensive suit and makes his cry. In this situation Herpy Derpy a good player was using a fit, according to Adamance logic he should have done good that match but Derpy Herpy was using a better fit and destroyed Herpy Derpy all match.

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Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1236	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:21:00 - [1] - Quote As soon as the new changes come in, you'll have to put on 2-3 damps to get under most scans. Also, since suits will have lower close up precision, rest in peace nova knives. Dampening should be king. The cloak nerf really hurt nova knives. Not only are you unaware of your surroudings while cloaked, you have to wait a long time just to get your knives out and then wait another second to charge them. Now with new changes coming you won't even be able to sneak up on people without gimping your whole fit to dampeners. P.S. a slow nova knife scout is a dead nova knife scout. Edit: biggest nerf to a nova knifer is history, not knowing the direction your enemy is facing especailly when you are running around with a 350 ehp (half a seconds worth of HP) scout suit trying to use an extremely CQC weapon against people who walk backwards as fast as you walk forward. #MinScoutOddDucklingOut. Chocolate Juice
Hakyou Brutor Titans of Phoenix 1796	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:28:00 - [2] - Quote I agree, except they will only be able to scan you within 5 meters... That's just barely longer than the range of the nova knifes themselves. Overall, CCP is nerfing scouts too much while letting heavies go free with their 1500 eHP and 700 DPS... Knight Soiaire = my bae
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5395	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:30:00 - [3] - Quote I don't see it that way at all. The min scout was crap against other scouts. Now the min scout can just bypass damps altogether and speed tank. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1236	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:33:00 - [4] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: I agree, except they will only be able to scan you within 5 meters... That's just barely longer than the range of the nova knifes themselves. Overall, CCP is nerfing scouts too much while letting heavies go free with their 1500 eHP and 700 DPS... I Agree, with the cloak nerf, scouts already feel like Pre-1.8. The range nerf to cloak has literally killed the use of range amps and precsion enhancers on scouts. There is no point to having 15 scan precision and 40m range if you are running around with 200 EHP and no cloak and can get picked off instantly by almost every weapon. Edit: the delay which was meant for the shotgun has done completely nothing to effectiveness of shotgun but devastated the nova knives and Rail rifle. Chocolate Juice
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1236	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:34:00 - [5] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't see it that way at all. The min scout was crap against other scouts. Now the min scout can just bypass damps altogether and speed tank. Speed tank for what? So it can be seen from 100m away and get insta dropped? Chocolate Juice
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 90	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:35:00 - [6] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't see it that way at all. The min scout was crap against other scouts. Now the min scout can just bypass damps altogether and speed tank. Yeah, we'll see what difference that 5m warning makes while I'm running at 10m/s. PSA: Tell players to terminate in order to access mCRUs.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 90	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:36:00 - [7] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't see it that way at all. The min scout was crap against other scouts. Now the min scout can just bypass damps altogether and speed tank. Speed tank for what? So it can be seen from 100m away and get insta dropped? You are obviously playing speed tanks wrong... PSA: Tell players to terminate in order to access mCRUs.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1236	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:37:00 - [8] - Quote Finn Colman wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't see it that way at all. The min scout was crap against other scouts. Now the min scout can just bypass damps altogether and speed tank. Yeah, we'll see what difference that 5m warning makes while I'm running at 10m/s. you act as if 5m is a permanent range and cannot be extended. Chocolate Juice
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 90	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:38:00 - [9] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Finn Colman wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't see it that way at all. The min scout was crap against other scouts. Now the min scout can just bypass damps altogether and speed tank. Yeah, we'll see what difference that 5m warning makes while I'm running at 10m/s. you act as if 5m is a permanent range and cannot be extended. They cannot achieve 10m (unless it's a logi) which means that I will probably get to them before they see me. PSA: Tell players to terminate in order to access mCRUs.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1236	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:39:00 - [10] - Quote Finn Colman wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't see it that way at all. The min scout was crap against other scouts. Now the min scout can just bypass damps altogether and speed tank. Speed tank for what? So it can be seen from 100m away and get insta dropped? You are obviously playing speed tanks wrong... You are obviously never been in a PC. A Proto scanner will pick you up from a mile away and no weapon will hesitate to drop you in under a second. BTW- Aim Assist ruins the whole "Speed tank is viable" argument you guys come up with. Chocolate Juice

Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1236	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:41:00 - [11] - Quote Finn Colman wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Finn Colman wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't see it that way at all. The min scout was crap against other scouts. Now the min scout can just bypass damps altogether and speed tank. Yeah, we'll see what difference that 5m warning makes while I'm running at 10m/s. you act as if 5m is a permanent range and cannot be extended. They cannot achieve 10m (unless it's a logi) which means that I will probably get to them before they see me. from the time it takes you to run 10m is how long it takes me to drop twice over with an HMG. Oh btw, don't mind the fact that if you were running 10m/s, you'd probably get picked up by an active scanner from a hundred m away. Chocolate Juice
xavier zor Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 327	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:42:00 - [12] - Quote The stealth of scouts in general is dead....it is fine if only one person is within 7 metres of us but when does that ever happen? The moment we step into his 7 metre zone he will start back peddling from us and shoot our face off. If we manage to win, his buddies around him will know exactly what side of the wall i am hiding on and then HIS buddies will come help. What happened CCP? Why are you giving everyone wall hacks? If this is to nerf the SCRUB shotgun-scout method just nerf it a different way. I am respecting out of scout unless this is changed 1.10 will kill stealthy scouts time to respec into an assault :D
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15575	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:43:00 - [13] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Finn Colman wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Finn Colman wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't see it that way at all. The min scout was crap against other scouts. Now the min scout can just bypass damps altogether and speed tank. Yeah, we'll see what difference that 5m warning makes while I'm running at 10m/s. you act as if 5m is a permanent range and cannot be extended. They cannot achieve 10m (unless it's a logi) which means that I will probably get to them before they see me. from the time it takes you to run 10m is how long it takes me to drop twice over with an HMG. Oh btw, don't mind the fact that if you were running 10m/s, you'd probably get picked up by an active scanner from a hundred m away. Maybe you are the only one having that problem.... I'm speed tanking Amarr suits and having a wondrous time. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 90	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:44:00 - [14] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Finn Colman wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't see it that way at all. The min scout was crap against other scouts. Now the min scout can just bypass damps altogether and speed tank. Speed tank for what? So it can be seen from 100m away and get insta dropped? You are obviously playing speed tanks wrong... You are obviously never been in a PC. A Proto scanner will pick you up from a mile away and no weapon will hesitate to drop you in under a second. BTW- Aim Assist ruins the whole "Speed tank is viable" argument you guys come up with. True, I never have played PC. It sounds much too boring. I only ever run speed tanked Min suits (including my sentinel). I have understood for quite some time what the consequences of getting caught are, and so I do my best to avoid getting spotted, and when scanned I usually try to escape the area. PSA: Tell players to terminate in order to access mCRUs.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1236	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:45:00 - [15] - Quote xavier zor wrote: The stealth of scouts in general is dead....it is fine if only one person is within 7 metres of us but when does that ever happen? The moment we step into his 7 metre zone he will start back peddling from us and shoot our face off. If we manage to win, his buddies around him will know exactly what side of the wall i am hiding on and then HIS buddies will come help. What happened CCP? Why are you giving everyone wall hacks? If this is to nerf the SCRUB shotgun-scout method just nerf it a different way. I am respecting out of scout unless this is changed The whole problem with scouts was the shotgun. I don't think anyone ever complained about stuff other than the shotgun/cloak combo. The new delay hasn't nerfed the shotgun but has nerfed all the other weapons like plasma cannon, nova knives and other weapons that need a charge up. Chocolate Juice
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1236	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:49:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Maybe you are the only one having that problem.... I'm speed tanking Amarr suits and having a wondrous time. Speed tank a minmatar scout, run out of PG, not hide from simple scanners, use standard weapons on a proto suit, have a worthless cloak because everyone and their mother can pick you up with scanners. It doesn't work against good players. Maybe in pubs, but when you get into a competitive environment, everything that usually works and is funny against starterfits doesn't roll over so well when you verse good knowledgeable players. hell, I could go into a pub match and do good with melee but does it mean it's actually good and viable, no.... Chocolate Juice
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15576	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:50:00 - [17] - Quote Finn Colman wrote: True, I never have played PC. It sounds much too boring. I only ever run speed tanked Min suits (including my sentinel). I have understood for quite some time what the consequences of getting caught are, and so I do my best to avoid getting spotted, and when scanned I usually try to escape the area. Dude it's pretty freaking boring. Just a bunch of up jumped ass hats fighting over the high ground on each map, using the same generic strategies and fits that were determined to be the best. You gain nothing special by holding districts, very little real EVE interaction, and your districts are in the ass end of nowhere...Molden Heath. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15576	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:50:00 - [18] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: True Adamance wrote: Maybe you are the only one having that problem.... I'm speed tanking Amarr suits and having a wondrous time. Speed tank a minmatar scout, run out of PG, not hide from simple scanners, use standard weapons on a proto suit, have a worthless cloak because everyone and their mother can pick you up with scanners. It doesn't work against good players. Maybe in pubs, but when you get into a competitive environment, everything that usually works and is funny against starterfits doesn't roll over so well when you verse good knowledgeable players. hell, I could go into a pub match and do good with melee but does it mean it's actually good and viable, no.... Cry me a river brother...... Good players do well regardless of what they use and don't have to make up excuses. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1236	Posted - 2014.12.08 03:53:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: True Adamance wrote: Maybe you are the only one having that problem.... I'm speed tanking Amarr suits and having a wondrous time. Speed tank a minmatar scout, run out of PG, not hide from simple scanners, use standard weapons on a proto suit, have a worthless cloak because everyone and their mother can pick you up with scanners. It doesn't work against good players. Maybe in pubs, but when you get into a competitive environment, everything that usually works and is funny against starterfits doesn't roll over so well when you verse good knowledgeable players. hell, I could go into a pub match and do good with melee but does it mean it's actually good and viable, no.... Cry me a river brother...... Good players do well regardless of what they use and don't have to make up excuses. False. Against bad players they do good. When good players meet good players, the one with the better fit usually wins. Example, herpy derpy decided to run a minmatar scout that ran 11m/s (Gasp), he runs into Derpy Herpy using a Prototype Amarr Scout with 2 complex precision enhancers and range amplifiers. Herpy Derpy doesn't see the Amarr Scout around the corner and runs straight into his super charged viziam ScR. Derpy Herpy saw Herpy Derpy coming from a mile away. Herpy Derpy continues using his fit, he is a good player, and usually goes 40-0 against starter fits, Derpy Herpy continues to use his fit and is also a good player that goes 40-0 against starter fits. In the end Derpy Herpy kills Herpy Derpy 12 times that match in his expensive suit and makes his cry. In this situation Herpy Derpy a good player was using a fit, according to Adamance logic he should have done good that match but Derpy Herpy was using a better fit and destroyed Herpy Derpy all match. Chocolate Juice
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6427	Posted - 2014.12.08 04:30:00 - [20] - Quote First of all, the worst time for Minjas was between Alpha and Charlie. Even worse than 1.0 to 1.8 IMO. I am not sure what is going to happen in 1.10, but I don't think it is going to be good, least of all for Minjas (especially those without other viable suits). Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"

Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 90	Posted - 2014.12.08 05:03:00 - [21] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: True Adamance wrote: Maybe you are the only one having that problem.... I'm speed tanking Amarr suits and having a wondrous time. Speed tank a minmatar scout, run out of PG, not hide from simple scanners, use standard weapons on a proto suit, have a worthless cloak because everyone and their mother can pick you up with scanners. It doesn't work against good players. Maybe in pubs, but when you get into a competitive environment, everything that usually works and is funny against starterfits doesn't roll over so well when you verse good knowledgeable players. hell, I could go into a pub match and do good with melee but does it mean it's actually good and viable, no.... Cry me a river brother...... Good players do well regardless of what they use and don't have to make up excuses. False. Against bad players they do good. When good players meet good players, the one with the better fit usually wins. Example, herpy derpy decided to run a minmatar scout that ran 11m/s (Gasp), he runs into Derpy Herpy using a Prototype Amarr Scout with 2 complex precision enhancers and range amplifiers. Herpy Derpy doesn't see the Amarr Scout around the corner and runs straight into his super charged viziam ScR. Derpy Herpy saw Herpy Derpy coming from a mile away. Herpy Derpy continues using his fit, he is a good player, and usually goes 40-0 against starter fits, Derpy Herpy continues to use his fit and is also a good player that goes 40-0 against starter fits. In the end Derpy Herpy kills Herpy Derpy 12 times that match in his expensive suit and makes his cry. In this situation Herpy Derpy a good player was using a fit, according to Adamance logic he should have done good that match but Derpy Herpy was using a better fit and destroyed Herpy Derpy all match. Yes, I suppose there are always the worst case scenarios. PSA: Tell players to terminate in order to access mCRUs.
Ace Boone Capital Acquisitions LLC 541	Posted - 2014.12.08 05:17:00 - [22] - Quote As an ex-min scout, I'll say this to clear things up. If you speed tank, you're gonna have about 300ish eHP, a standard weapon and probably enhanced shield modules. If you speed tank, you're gonna get either hit by an active scanner from a mile away, or picked up by passives and ganked. If you dampen enough to avoid scans, you're gonna have no speed and low eHP, which is gonna get you killed in most combat situations where speed would help you escape. If you attempt to wear a cloak, there is a huge delay between uncloaking, pulling out your nova knives, and charging them up to kill someone. All of while, you are on their scans because you have to be within 5m of someone to nova knife them, and they just blast you because you have 300HP on a shield tanked fit. Lol, CCP has made the min scout a joke and no one can defend it. It is the absolute worst scout after this patch. Only loyal to the republic. I'm nothing more than bittervet without a PS3.
xavier zor Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 329	Posted - 2014.12.08 05:25:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Finn Colman wrote: True, I never have played PC. It sounds much too boring. I only ever run speed tanked Min suits (including my sentinel). I have understood for quite some time what the consequences of getting caught are, and so I do my best to avoid getting spotted, and when scanned I usually try to escape the area. Dude it's pretty freaking boring. Just a bunch of up jumped ass hats fighting over the high ground on each map, using the same generic strategies and fits that were determined to be the best. You gain nothing special by holding districts, very little real EVE interaction, and your districts are in the ass end of nowhere...Molden Heath. If you play well in PC, you gain respect from players 1.10 will kill stealthy scouts time to respec into an assault :D
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 92	Posted - 2014.12.08 05:36:00 - [24] - Quote xavier zor wrote: True Adamance wrote: Finn Colman wrote: True, I never have played PC. It sounds much too boring. I only ever run speed tanked Min suits (including my sentinel). I have understood for quite some time what the consequences of getting caught are, and so I do my best to avoid getting spotted, and when scanned I usually try to escape the area. Dude it's pretty freaking boring. Just a bunch of up jumped ass hats fighting over the high ground on each map, using the same generic strategies and fits that were determined to be the best. You gain nothing special by holding districts, very little real EVE interaction, and your districts are in the ass end of nowhere...Molden Heath. If you play well in PC, you gain respect from players shrugs What do I care about the respect of a bunch of people I have never met. I'm here to have fun, regardless of what anyone thinks. PSA: Tell players to terminate in order to access mCRUs.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2305	Posted - 2014.12.08 05:42:00 - [25] - Quote Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand i will still run my minja in 1.10. Cause masochist FTW. PSN Sil4ntChaozz HAWK, NINJA, ASSASSIN, STORMTROOPER Being a better Me not a better you
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2568	Posted - 2014.12.08 05:51:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Finn Colman wrote: True, I never have played PC. It sounds much too boring. I only ever run speed tanked Min suits (including my sentinel). I have understood for quite some time what the consequences of getting caught are, and so I do my best to avoid getting spotted, and when scanned I usually try to escape the area. Dude it's pretty freaking boring. Just a bunch of up jumped ass hats fighting over the high ground on each map, using the same generic strategies and fits that were determined to be the best. You gain nothing special by holding districts, very little real EVE interaction, and your districts are in the ass end of nowhere...Molden Heath. Gotta love a player who has spent nearly his entire existence in DUST playing PUB's and has this opinion. It's the very definition of ignorance... And they think it is defensible.. The best is when you say "The Same generic strategies and fits that were determined to be the best." I Wonder who determined? The best part is WHERE do these "Best fits" come from? Each hotfix and major content addition changes this so called "Best Fit" scenario... You will find most of the PC players warning about future changes giving those results with upcoming FOTM and theory crafting. Ever wonder where everyone sees and learns where the next FOTM is? Every Pub strategy... Even the lame fun ones... Come from PC.. I Wonder how boring Football gets running and practicing "the same generic set of strategies" "That were determined to be the best" Why would anyone want to play a competitive version of DUST with 15 of their friends vs another group of 16 mercenaries with the winner getting a big pile of ISK?... Let's go kill some starter fits in a PUB instead. Way more fun as you say.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 92	Posted - 2014.12.08 06:13:00 - [27] - Quote Bethhy wrote: True Adamance wrote: Finn Colman wrote: True, I never have played PC. It sounds much too boring. I only ever run speed tanked Min suits (including my sentinel). I have understood for quite some time what the consequences of getting caught are, and so I do my best to avoid getting spotted, and when scanned I usually try to escape the area. Dude it's pretty freaking boring. Just a bunch of up jumped ass hats fighting over the high ground on each map, using the same generic strategies and fits that were determined to be the best. You gain nothing special by holding districts, very little real EVE interaction, and your districts are in the ass end of nowhere...Molden Heath. Gotta love a player who has spent nearly his entire existence in DUST playing PUB's and has this opinion. It's the very definition of ignorance... And they think it is defensible.. The best is when you say "The Same generic strategies and fits that were determined to be the best." I Wonder who determined? The best part is WHERE do these "Best fits" come from? Each hotfix and major content addition changes this so called "Best Fit" scenario... You will find most of the PC players warning about future changes giving those results with upcoming FOTM and theory crafting. Ever wonder where everyone sees and learns where the next FOTM is? Every Pub strategy... Even the lame fun ones... Come from PC.. I Wonder how boring Football gets running and practicing "the same generic set of strategies" "That were determined to be the best" Why would anyone want to play a competitive version of DUST with 15 of their friends vs another group of 16 mercenaries with the winner getting a big pile of ISK?... Let's go kill some starter fits in a PUB instead. Way more fun as you say. Since when was there a cohesive strategy in pubs? I was never a fan of football. I've never really cared what the FOTM fits were. PC seems too serious for me really. The win has so much more value than in a pub that I would likely just get bogged down trying to win rather than really having fun. Entertainment value is entirely subjective, it is impossible to be wrong unless you are trying to decide for someone else. PSA: Tell players to terminate in order to access mCRUs.


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