DUST Search - Scan Range Effectively Halved

Bethhy wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

I think they just want to get something put in place that they CAN hotfix.

My hope is that when the data comes back about what they broke they can amend their new system to bring things back in line.

My fear is that the system is so complex that re balencing one thing breaks something elsewhere, and they are forever in a circle of fix one thing, breaking another etc.

Dude I Have been here since replication.

Do you know how many times they have changed scanning statistics and the tac-net?

Rattati has spent near a year on hotfixes alone, tweaking stats.

Regardless of how broken their messed up mechanics are... Starting by nerfing something by 50% is Mind boggling..

Let alone in a place like DUST 514... Where it has been the number 1 mistake of development in this game. Nerfing things by 50% while buffing several other things in the same field of gameplay.

Which is happening again right before our eyes.

Like the last 2 years of DUST development has never happened.

WITH people defending it.

Like again, Shaking my head in disbelief.

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Clone D Grundstein Automation 970	Posted - 2014.12.07 03:32:00 - [1] - Quote Current scan range will be effectively halved in 1.10. What scouts can currently detect at 20 meters, they will be able to detect at 10 meters in 1.10. While scan range will extend to 20 meters, the precision has been nerfed between 10 - 20 meters. Excerpts from http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/12/uprising-1.10-overview-patch-notes/ Scan Precision: - Light Frames: Scout: Close/Medium/Far = 20/40/52 Scan Range: - Light Frames: Scout: Close/Medium/Far = 4/10/20 ISK Trader channel: blitz
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2439	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:06:00 - [2] - Quote I don't understand any of this. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 523	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:07:00 - [3] - Quote So?
Clone D Grundstein Automation 970	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:11:00 - [4] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: I don't understand any of this. Currently, by default, a scout has a scan precision of 40db out to 20 meters. After 1.10, by default, a scout has a scan precision of 40db between 5-10 meters. This is another nerf that severely reduces the effectiveness of a lonewolf player. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Clone D Grundstein Automation 970	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:12:00 - [5] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: So? If you don't understand why it's a big deal, then don't worry about it. ISK Trader channel: blitz
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6394	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:14:00 - [6] - Quote Apparently they want Logis to be the scanning suit now. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 523	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:15:00 - [7] - Quote Clone D wrote: Jack 3enimble wrote: So? If you don't understand why it's a big deal, then don't worry about it. LOL. Trust me i do understand. A little crystal balling tells me you're specced into scouts
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2300	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:22:00 - [8] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Apparently they want Logis to be the scanning suit now. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. Logis being support role so they should get some EWAR. Not to replace scouts, but to support whoever there supporting. But with the recent buff to scanners.... i dont know. PSN Sil4ntChaozz HAWK, NINJA, ASSASSIN, STORMTROOPER Being a better Me not a better you
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6394	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:26:00 - [9] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Apparently they want Logis to be the scanning suit now. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. Logis being support role so they should get some EWAR. Not to replace scouts, but to support whoever there supporting. But with the recent buff to scanners.... i dont know. They went too far with the EWAR changes IMO. Its one thing to give medium frames a greater stake in EWAR, its another thing for them to gain so much ground that they are in danger of becoming better scouts than scouts. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Clone D Grundstein Automation 970	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:27:00 - [10] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: Clone D wrote: Jack 3enimble wrote: So? If you don't understand why it's a big deal, then don't worry about it. LOL. Trust me i do understand. A little crystal balling tells me you're specced into scouts I specced into everything and play all roles. It's just another way that soloists are being nerfed nerfed nerfed from every angle. Yes, people claim it is a team game. Yes, I squad up regularly. I experience extreme technical difficulties when I activate voice such as frame rate drop and lag, which makes playing in a squad a mere social experience. If I want better frame rates, higher performance, and a significantly more enjoyable gaming experience then I am forced to play solo without voice. Squad members continue to share TACNET info about passively scanned hostiles, while soloists now deal with 1/2 the range that was previously available at the 40db precision level. ISK Trader channel: blitz

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2549	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:29:00 - [11] - Quote A change was needed. But starting by Halfing things? Wtf is wrong with CCP.... Have they not learned anything from 2 years of doing this and wasting their time? Do they have that little ability to learn from past mistakes? Or are they destined to repeat the same **** over and over. When you have a hotfix structure already established... Why not just reduce statistics by 1/4 for now?..... 1/5 .... Hell, there are alot of fractions I can come up with for tweaking a number then just starting by nerfing it by 50%.... It just makes you shake your head in disbelief.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6396	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:31:00 - [12] - Quote Bethhy wrote: A change was needed. But starting by Halfing things? Wtf is wrong with CCP.... Have they not learned anything from 2 years of doing this and wasting their time? Do they have that little ability to learn from past mistakes? Or are they destined to repeat the same **** over and over. When you have a hotfix structure already established... Why not just reduce statistics by 1/4..... 1/5 .... Hell there are alot of fractions i can come up with for tweaking a number then just straight up nerfing it by 50%.... It just makes you shake your head in disbelief. I think they just want to get something put in place that they CAN hotfix. My hope is that when the data comes back about what they broke they can amend their new system to bring things back in line. My fear is that the system is so complex that re balencing one thing breaks something elsewhere, and they are forever in a circle of fix one thing, breaking another etc. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2219	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:34:00 - [13] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Apparently they want Logis to be the scanning suit now. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. Scanning as in...Passive? OR Active? I'd say its obvious they wanted Logis to wield the Bullhorn of Truth since when it was introduced. I Live for Tears
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6396	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:39:00 - [14] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Apparently they want Logis to be the scanning suit now. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. Scanning as in...Passive? OR Active? I'd say its obvious they wanted Logis to wield the Bullhorn of Truth since when it was introduced. Passive. They have significantly increased range. Compared to the Cal Scout, which is supposed to be the long range scanner, a Logi will be able to get just 3m shy of the Cal scout. Apparently 3m is enough to not bleed Cal Scouts of their role? Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2550	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:45:00 - [15] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I think they just want to get something put in place that they CAN hotfix. My hope is that when the data comes back about what they broke they can amend their new system to bring things back in line. My fear is that the system is so complex that re balencing one thing breaks something elsewhere, and they are forever in a circle of fix one thing, breaking another etc. Dude I Have been here since replication. Do you know how many times they have changed scanning statistics and the tac-net? Rattati has spent near a year on hotfixes alone, tweaking stats. Regardless of how broken their messed up mechanics are... Starting by nerfing something by 50% is Mind boggling.. Let alone in a place like DUST 514... Where it has been the number 1 mistake of development in this game. Nerfing things by 50% while buffing several other things in the same field of gameplay. Which is happening again right before our eyes. Like the last 2 years of DUST development has never happened. WITH people defending it. Like again, Shaking my head in disbelief.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2219	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:55:00 - [16] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Apparently they want Logis to be the scanning suit now. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. Scanning as in...Passive? OR Active? I'd say its obvious they wanted Logis to wield the Bullhorn of Truth since when it was introduced. Passive. They have significantly increased range. Compared to the Cal Scout, which is supposed to be the long range scanner, a Logi will be able to get just 3m shy of the Cal scout (assuming both are maxed). Apparently 3m is enough to not bleed Cal Scouts of their role? 3m, and the power to be invisible, and the lack of a burden to carry equip. They can fit the active scanner, and Cloak, and not have to even bother with things like hives or links, things logis are typically expected to carry. I Live for Tears
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4925	Posted - 2014.12.07 05:22:00 - [17] - Quote I know. They're removing the scouting from scouts, didn't you know?
Clone D Grundstein Automation 971	Posted - 2014.12.07 05:37:00 - [18] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I know. They're removing the scouting from scouts, didn't you know? I guess Ratatti plays a logi. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14188	Posted - 2014.12.07 06:21:00 - [19] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Apparently they want Logis to be the scanning suit now. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. Well it would make sense if you read the Logistics description. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Operative 1174 Uuali The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 163	Posted - 2014.12.07 06:37:00 - [20] - Quote Clone D wrote: Jack 3enimble wrote: Clone D wrote: Jack 3enimble wrote: So? If you don't understand why it's a big deal, then don't worry about it. LOL. Trust me i do understand. A little crystal balling tells me you're specced into scouts I specced into everything and play all roles. It's just another way that soloists are being nerfed nerfed nerfed from every angle. Yes, people claim it is a team game. Yes, I squad up regularly. I experience extreme technical difficulties when I activate voice such as frame rate drop and lag, which makes playing in a squad a mere social experience. If I want better frame rates, higher performance, and a significantly more enjoyable gaming experience then I am forced to play solo without voice. Squad members continue to share TACNET info about passively scanned hostiles, while soloists now deal with 1/2 the range that was previously available at the 40db precision level. I'm solo. Doesn't hurt me. Scan range and precision never has helped me. The lag usually negates it. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.

Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14188	Posted - 2014.12.07 06:39:00 - [21] - Quote Clone D wrote: Joel II X wrote: I know. They're removing the scouting from scouts, didn't you know? I guess Ratatti plays a logi. He plays as a Gallente Assault. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Clone D Grundstein Automation 972	Posted - 2014.12.07 06:43:00 - [22] - Quote Atiim wrote: Clone D wrote: Joel II X wrote: I know. They're removing the scouting from scouts, didn't you know? I guess Ratatti plays a logi. He plays as a Gallente Assault. While I did not know that, I was sarcastically implying that logis are being supercharged in 1.10. ISK Trader channel: blitz
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 1027	Posted - 2014.12.07 08:20:00 - [23] - Quote Bethhy wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I think they just want to get something put in place that they CAN hotfix. My hope is that when the data comes back about what they broke they can amend their new system to bring things back in line. My fear is that the system is so complex that re balencing one thing breaks something elsewhere, and they are forever in a circle of fix one thing, breaking another etc. Dude I Have been here since replication. Do you know how many times they have changed scanning statistics and the tac-net? Rattati has spent near a year on hotfixes alone, tweaking stats. Regardless of how broken their messed up mechanics are... Starting by nerfing something by 50% is Mind boggling.. Let alone in a place like DUST 514... Where it has been the number 1 mistake of development in this game. Nerfing things by 50% while buffing several other things in the same field of gameplay. Which is happening again right before our eyes. Like the last 2 years of DUST development has never happened. WITH people defending it. Like again, Shaking my head in disbelief. Totally agree. Under the guise of shaking up the meta. Shaking it so the wheels drop off is shaking it too hard. The cynic in me wants to think they are doing this to shake faux-scouts out of the dropsuit command skill tree with 36,000 AUR. The optimist in me hopes it will still have fun as a Minja. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Mordecai Snake Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 75	Posted - 2014.12.07 08:35:00 - [24] - Quote Logi's range is being nerfed too. From 15m to 12.5m
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5697	Posted - 2014.12.07 09:06:00 - [25] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Apparently they want Logis to be the scanning suit now. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. Scanning as in...Passive? OR Active? I'd say its obvious they wanted Logis to wield the Bullhorn of Truth since when it was introduced. Passive. They have significantly increased range. Compared to the Cal Scout, which is supposed to be the long range scanner, a Logi will be able to get just 3m shy of the Cal scout (assuming both are maxed). Apparently 3m is enough to not bleed Cal Scouts of their role? 3m, and the power to be invisible, and the lack of a burden to carry equip. They can fit the active scanner, and Cloak, and not have to even bother with things like hives or links, things logis are typically expected to carry. Don't forget those Passives are shared with the Heavy in square at the end of said Logi's ReptoolGÇª MOAR Ladders
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1136	Posted - 2014.12.07 09:55:00 - [26] - Quote Logi the new scout? I don't think so. Yeah, the logi might get a decent base scan range, but scouts still have a waaaaaay lower precision, and several scouts get bonuses to range/precision. Logis having range doesn't mean anything if they can't pick anything up. Not to mention logis can't hide for crap either since their profile blows as well. Logis will just be able to see heavies and mediums, scouts won't have to worry about anything they don't already worry about now: other scouts and proto gal logis. O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Varoth Drac Titans of Phoenix 452	Posted - 2014.12.07 10:45:00 - [27] - Quote It's not a 50% range nerf to scouts it's at 30% precision nerf to scans over half range. Scouts will no longer pick up mediums over 15m. I recommend a precision mod. Yes it's a scout nerf, but not as bad as halving range. All other suits are getting significant EWAR buffs. All good except short scans are too strong and range amps are too weak in 1.10. At least, that's what I predict.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 984	Posted - 2014.12.07 13:15:00 - [28] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: It's not a 50% range nerf to scouts it's at 30% precision nerf to scans over half range. Stated in the OP in not so many words. Varoth Drac wrote: Yes it's a scout nerf, but not as bad as halving range. What could once be detected out to 20 m can now be detected out to 10 m. That effectively halves range of 40db precision, stated in OP. ISK Trader channel: blitz
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2672	Posted - 2014.12.07 16:02:00 - [29] - Quote Bethhy wrote: A change was needed. But starting by Halfing things? Wtf is wrong with CCP.... Have they not learned anything from 2 years of doing this and wasting their time? Do they have that little ability to learn from past mistakes? Or are they destined to repeat the same ** over and over. When you have a hotfix structure already established... Why not just reduce statistics by 1/4 for now?..... 1/5 .... Hell, there are alot of fractions I can come up with for tweaking a number then just starting by nerfing it by 50%.... It just makes you shake your head in disbelief. Agreed. They are either A. Totally clueless and I mean literally CLUELESS about the impact their changes will have in game. OR B. Totally over zealous of their understanding of the game, thinking they can keep it under control. I suppose there is option C. CCP just likes to screw and troll with us which actually would not surprise me either. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big fk-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Duke Noobiam The Dukes of Death 284	Posted - 2014.12.07 18:11:00 - [30] - Quote Scouts who want to rule ewar will have to use precision enhancers now instead of stacking shield extenders. This is aligned with the goal of making scouts play as actual scouts rather than assault suits. Scouts have had too many advantages of late and this is another good step towards balancing them. BPO dropsuits owned: Sever M-1 logi, Quafe M-1 assault, Quafe M-1 scout, Raven C-1 assault, Dragonfly G-1 scout



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