i am looking forward to it.

so it kills off spam. im a full time logi and get between 500-2000 wp per match and thats with a Shaman suit and i don't spam at all. if you feel you require spam in order to feel like you are performing well, then perhaps the issue is with you and not the game

as for losing equipment if you change suit with a lower bandwidth then so be it. you can't use RE when you change gear and has that ever been an issue. you running out there and spamming 9 uplinks/hives then changing into an assault etc is not only spam but its taking away from those players who have their entire role based around using that equipment. its not fair on them if you spam all that equipment then change out leaving them who have to keep their logi suit the whole fight with much less demand on them yet most players feel a logi killing a player has always been an issue. i see bandwidth as the reverse on that issue.

you should not be allowed to have the best of both worlds. it should be 1 or the other and bandwidth will do this.

im looking forward to the increased carry capacity and as a fulltime logi being able to move my equipment with me as the fight progresses finally. bandwidth is going to be a breath of fresh air for those serious about being a logi and not just milking it for wp

For me its not bad because its killing spam. It is bad because it is locking people into a role when we simply do not have enough players in a match to do that. With only 16 v 16 it is important for people to be able to change roles to what is needed.

What happens when the person that has uplinks out feels the need to go A/V due to being killed by a tank? The whole team gets screwed and potentially the match lost unless he has made an A/V suit on a logi which will be terrible in most cases thanks to their poor speed and inability to defend against any attacking infantry.

the whole change out to fulfill a different role is just that. a different role with different features. you can try and maintain your old role while doing you new role but would suffer in some way. is this not something reasonable to expect. currently you do not suffer anything by changing suit yet benefit more than those who don't change suits. this is a big issue to me.

This would be great if we had 30 - 40 people per side and not 1/4 of the team either AFK or total newbs thrown in by Scotty. With 16 v 16 it is totally necessary to be able to switch to whatever is neeeded.

nothing is stopping anyone switching roles to whatever is needed. all bandwidth does is gives you a risk and means you don't have 2 perfect roles when you do so

We're going to have less uplink deployment in safe, durable areas due to disappearing uplinks when logis swap out to perform other functions, or due to demoralization and people giving up on deploying uplinks, or due to more foot soldiers carrying 1 uplink and deploying it in a hazardous zone where it could easily be camped or REd.

We're going to have more uplink destruction due to new OBs.

It's going to become REDLINE MADNESS. Less uplinks + more uplink destruction.

I predict that any slightly asymetrically matched games will end in redlining the losing team, resulting in even more redlining than we already experience today.

Proto stomping teams will gain a giant advantage as they generally spawn less and have the ability to better protect 1 or 2 dedicated logis.

New berries who have little knowledge of this slightly over complicated mechanic are not going to be able to manage efficiently leading to worse stomps when Scotty does what he does worst. I have already seen some interesting questions when trying to explain to new(ish) players and when I proposed the question of how this mechanic would be explained there was little response. Simply put this is very bad for NPE.

We're going to have less uplink deployment in safe, durable areas due to disappearing uplinks when logis swap out to perform other functions, or due to demoralization and people giving up on deploying uplinks, or due to more foot soldiers carrying 1 uplink and deploying it in a hazardous zone where it could easily be camped or REd.

We're going to have more uplink destruction due to new OBs.

It's going to become REDLINE MADNESS. Less uplinks + more uplink destruction.

I predict that any slightly asymetrically matched games will end in redlining the losing team, resulting in even more redlining than we already experience today.

i am looking forward to it.

so it kills off spam. im a full time logi and get between 500-2000 wp per match and thats with a Shaman suit and i don't spam at all. if you feel you require spam in order to feel like you are performing well, then perhaps the issue is with you and not the game

as for losing equipment if you change suit with a lower bandwidth then so be it. you can't use RE when you change gear and has that ever been an issue. you running out there and spamming 9 uplinks/hives then changing into an assault etc is not only spam but its taking away from those players who have their entire role based around using that equipment. its not fair on them if you spam all that equipment then change out leaving them who have to keep their logi suit the whole fight with much less demand on them yet most players feel a logi killing a player has always been an issue. i see bandwidth as the reverse on that issue.

you should not be allowed to have the best of both worlds. it should be 1 or the other and bandwidth will do this.

im looking forward to the increased carry capacity and as a fulltime logi being able to move my equipment with me as the fight progresses finally. bandwidth is going to be a breath of fresh air for those serious about being a logi and not just milking it for wp

my suit has a basic uplink currently as i'm training out my bad habits by using basic gear and my uplinks have no end to players using them. this says to me 90% of the other uplinks on the field are completely useless anyway. i am doing my job getting players into battle at the right location. to say spam is the only way to get players into a fight is just absolute nonsense.

there is a lot of panic about this and it only revolves around a single person dropping all his equipment and most of it in useless locations on the field and then changing suit straight away. as for redline madness it cannot happen anymore due to the new spawn locations both in and out of the redline and with cloaks there will always be an uplink somewhere to use. its a little nieve to assume every player will instantly give up and remain in the redline because they can't get an uplink.

players will adapt as they always have.

as for the new orbitals. you forgot to consider the new stats to equipment making them harder to detect. there will be less equipment and in most cases will be needing strategic placement but it will be harder to see

This would be great if we had 30 - 40 people per side and not 1/4 of the team either AFK or total newbs thrown in by Scotty. With 16 v 16 it is totally necessary to be able to switch to whatever is neeeded.

Do you personally stay near your ground-deployed uplinks, watch over them, protect them, ensure they aren't getting camped, or REd? If so, then you are doing a good job providing a safe place to spawn in. If not, then it is a hazard to spawn from those uplinks that can easily be exploited by hostiles.

Uplinks that are deployed in spaces that are unreachable by foot soldiers are much more secure and durable. I don't hear soldiers that spawn on top of a building or high structure complaining that they got camped. I do hear complaints of camping around CRUs and ground-deployed uplinks all of the time.

If my team gets redlined, then I will fly out and drop 1 uplink at about 5 separate (100+ meters apart) strategic locations. Why? Because nobody else had the sense to maintain battlefield mobility in the form of secure, durable uplinks.

If you are solo, why do you need to go and drop copious amounts of equip? There are already 2 folks on the team spending copious amounts of time dropping copious amounts of equip. They are dropping the Links and Hives for their squad, and for all to use.

Of course, Having Hives for yourself is always smart, and having links is also a good idea. Tactical Flexibility. But ultimately, if your a solo logi (or trying to pretend to be one), You are going to do a **** job overall. The people you rep will love you, but the team overall gains nothing.

Proto stompers are the ones who abuse equipment spam more than anyone else. They even use the lag that spam induces to their advantage.

If ground-deployed uplinks are left unattended, friendlies get camped and REd. Asking squadded logis to fly up and deploy links on high structures, separates them from their squad.

Unless the squad sticks around and defends/guards the uplinks, they can be removed/camped/REd by hostiles.

The job of deploying a single uplink to various strategic high structures, unreachable by enemy foot soldiers, is a job for a lonewolf. I don't know any lonewolves who will want to spend the entire remainder of the match in a logi outfit.

So, for logis to do a good job, they had better deploy uplinks to secure, durable places. And the squad should stick around and protect uplinks that are in hazardous zones. Otherwise, the deployed uplinks are doing the team a disservice.

If ground-deployed uplinks are left unattended, friendlies get camped and REd. Asking squadded logis to fly up and deploy links on high structures, separates them from their squad.

Unless the squad sticks around and defends/guards the uplinks, they can be removed/camped/REd by hostiles.

The job of deploying a single uplink to various strategic high structures, unreachable by enemy foot soldiers, is a job for a lonewolf. I don't know any lonewolves who will want to spend the entire remainder of the match in a logi outfit.

So, for logis to do a good job, they had better deploy uplinks to secure, durable places. And the squad should stick around and protect uplinks that are in hazardous zones. Otherwise, the deployed uplinks are doing the team a disservice.

Spamming is sometimes the only thing people are good at.

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So...

Your saying, that for in order for Uplinks to work, you need to fly up and drop them in sniper perches, and then continue assaulting.

And, so also apparently determined that a Scout, or a Assault, with their equipment, could NEVER be used to drop links where they are needed?

Quite literally, the assault can drop all the uplinks it can deploy, and then go about its slaying. No drawback other then having to fit the damn things.

An assault who drops uplinks and then goes about his slaying is doing his team a disservice by leaving ground-deployed uplinks to be camped/REd or destroyed by hostiles. If you deploy uplinks in a hazardous zone, stick around and protect them and the friendlies who deploy there. Otherwise, you're just creating a deathtrap that will help your team get cloned.

what are you doing when you drop defenceless uplinks on a roof then leave to do your slaying

An assault who drops uplinks and then goes about his slaying is doing his team a disservice by leaving ground-deployed uplinks to be camped/REd or destroyed by hostiles. If you deploy uplinks in a hazardous zone, stick around and protect them and the friendlies who deploy there. Otherwise, you're just creating a deathtrap that will help your team get cloned.

*facepalm*

So, what your saying, is that, when you drop your links on the roof of the spires on Line Harvest, you need to defend them.

Because you just said "job of deploying a single uplink to various strategic high structures, unreachable by enemy foot soldiers, is a job for a lonewolf".

And I just said how they are currently being done as such, and you said that that is irrelevent because you still have to defend to points. Even if they are in "high, unreachable structures". Which you just said they need to be placed in.

Your post is a walking oxymoron, and your just posting for the sake of trying to defend your broken position.

Do you understand the idea of risk? Uplinks deployed on high structures, inaccessible to foot soldiers are at a low risk. Uplinks deployed on the ground are at a high risk. Personally protect high-risk uplinks that you deploy. No need to personally protect low-risk uplinks that you deploy.

Do you understand the idea of risk? Uplinks deployed on high structures, inaccessible to foot soldiers are at a low risk. Uplinks deployed on the ground are at a high risk. Personally protect high-risk uplinks that you deploy. No need to personally protect low-risk uplinks that you deploy.

with the new features i will be essentially taking my uplinks with me... is that safe enough for you