DUST Search - why all the upset about bandwidth

Clone D wrote:

ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:

Clone D wrote:

We're going to have less uplink deployment in safe, durable areas due to disappearing uplinks when logis swap out to perform other functions, or due to demoralization and people giving up on deploying uplinks, or due to more foot soldiers carrying 1 uplink and deploying it in a hazardous zone where it could easily be camped or REd.

We're going to have more uplink destruction due to new OBs.

It's going to become REDLINE MADNESS. Less uplinks + more uplink destruction.

I predict that any slightly asymetrically matched games will end in redlining the losing team, resulting in even more redlining than we already experience today.

my suit has a basic uplink currently as i'm training out my bad habits by using basic gear and my uplinks have no end to players using them. this says to me 90% of the other uplinks on the field are completely useless anyway. i am doing my job getting players into battle at the right location. to say spam is the only way to get players into a fight is just absolute nonsense.

there is a lot of panic about this and it only revolves around a single person dropping all his equipment and most of it in useless locations on the field and then changing suit straight away. as for redline madness it cannot happen anymore due to the new spawn locations both in and out of the redline and with cloaks there will always be an uplink somewhere to use. its a little nieve to assume every player will instantly give up and remain in the redline because they can't get an uplink.

players will adapt as they always have.

as for the new orbitals. you forgot to consider the new stats to equipment making them harder to detect. there will be less equipment and in most cases will be needing strategic placement but it will be harder to see

Do you personally stay near your ground-deployed uplinks, watch over them, protect them, ensure they aren't getting camped, or REd? If so, then you are doing a good job providing a safe place to spawn in. If not, then it is a hazard to spawn from those uplinks that can easily be exploited by hostiles.

Uplinks that are deployed in spaces that are unreachable by foot soldiers are much more secure and durable. I don't hear soldiers that spawn on top of a building or high structure complaining that they got camped. I do hear complaints of camping around CRUs and ground-deployed uplinks all of the time.

If my team gets redlined, then I will fly out and drop 1 uplink at about 5 separate (100+ meters apart) strategic locations. Why? Because nobody else had the sense to maintain battlefield mobility in the form of secure, durable uplinks.


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ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1665	Posted - 2014.12.07 03:19:00 - [1] - Quote i am looking forward to it. so it kills off spam. im a full time logi and get between 500-2000 wp per match and thats with a Shaman suit and i don't spam at all. if you feel you require spam in order to feel like you are performing well, then perhaps the issue is with you and not the game as for losing equipment if you change suit with a lower bandwidth then so be it. you can't use RE when you change gear and has that ever been an issue. you running out there and spamming 9 uplinks/hives then changing into an assault etc is not only spam but its taking away from those players who have their entire role based around using that equipment. its not fair on them if you spam all that equipment then change out leaving them who have to keep their logi suit the whole fight with much less demand on them yet most players feel a logi killing a player has always been an issue. i see bandwidth as the reverse on that issue. you should not be allowed to have the best of both worlds. it should be 1 or the other and bandwidth will do this. im looking forward to the increased carry capacity and as a fulltime logi being able to move my equipment with me as the fight progresses finally. bandwidth is going to be a breath of fresh air for those serious about being a logi and not just milking it for wp All Hail Legion
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1665	Posted - 2014.12.07 03:36:00 - [2] - Quote the whole change out to fulfill a different role is just that. a different role with different features. you can try and maintain your old role while doing you new role but would suffer in some way. is this not something reasonable to expect. currently you do not suffer anything by changing suit yet benefit more than those who don't change suits. this is a big issue to me. All Hail Legion
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1665	Posted - 2014.12.07 03:46:00 - [3] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: the whole change out to fulfill a different role is just that. a different role with different features. you can try and maintain your old role while doing you new role but would suffer in some way. is this not something reasonable to expect. currently you do not suffer anything by changing suit yet benefit more than those who don't change suits. this is a big issue to me. This would be great if we had 30 - 40 people per side and not 1/4 of the team either AFK or total newbs thrown in by Scotty. With 16 v 16 it is totally necessary to be able to switch to whatever is neeeded. nothing is stopping anyone switching roles to whatever is needed. all bandwidth does is gives you a risk and means you don't have 2 perfect roles when you do so All Hail Legion
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1666	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:11:00 - [4] - Quote Clone D wrote: We're going to have less uplink deployment in safe, durable areas due to disappearing uplinks when logis swap out to perform other functions, or due to demoralization and people giving up on deploying uplinks, or due to more foot soldiers carrying 1 uplink and deploying it in a hazardous zone where it could easily be camped or REd. We're going to have more uplink destruction due to new OBs. It's going to become REDLINE MADNESS. Less uplinks + more uplink destruction. I predict that any slightly asymetrically matched games will end in redlining the losing team, resulting in even more redlining than we already experience today. my suit has a basic uplink currently as i'm training out my bad habits by using basic gear and my uplinks have no end to players using them. this says to me 90% of the other uplinks on the field are completely useless anyway. i am doing my job getting players into battle at the right location. to say spam is the only way to get players into a fight is just absolute nonsense. there is a lot of panic about this and it only revolves around a single person dropping all his equipment and most of it in useless locations on the field and then changing suit straight away. as for redline madness it cannot happen anymore due to the new spawn locations both in and out of the redline and with cloaks there will always be an uplink somewhere to use. its a little nieve to assume every player will instantly give up and remain in the redline because they can't get an uplink. players will adapt as they always have. as for the new orbitals. you forgot to consider the new stats to equipment making them harder to detect. there will be less equipment and in most cases will be needing strategic placement but it will be harder to see All Hail Legion
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1666	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:34:00 - [5] - Quote Clone D wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Clone D wrote: We're going to have less uplink deployment in safe, durable areas due to disappearing uplinks when logis swap out to perform other functions, or due to demoralization and people giving up on deploying uplinks, or due to more foot soldiers carrying 1 uplink and deploying it in a hazardous zone where it could easily be camped or REd. We're going to have more uplink destruction due to new OBs. It's going to become REDLINE MADNESS. Less uplinks + more uplink destruction. I predict that any slightly asymetrically matched games will end in redlining the losing team, resulting in even more redlining than we already experience today. my suit has a basic uplink currently as i'm training out my bad habits by using basic gear and my uplinks have no end to players using them. this says to me 90% of the other uplinks on the field are completely useless anyway. i am doing my job getting players into battle at the right location. to say spam is the only way to get players into a fight is just absolute nonsense. there is a lot of panic about this and it only revolves around a single person dropping all his equipment and most of it in useless locations on the field and then changing suit straight away. as for redline madness it cannot happen anymore due to the new spawn locations both in and out of the redline and with cloaks there will always be an uplink somewhere to use. its a little nieve to assume every player will instantly give up and remain in the redline because they can't get an uplink. players will adapt as they always have. as for the new orbitals. you forgot to consider the new stats to equipment making them harder to detect. there will be less equipment and in most cases will be needing strategic placement but it will be harder to see Do you personally stay near your ground-deployed uplinks, watch over them, protect them, ensure they aren't getting camped, or REd? If so, then you are doing a good job providing a safe place to spawn in. If not, then it is a hazard to spawn from those uplinks that can easily be exploited by hostiles. Uplinks that are deployed in spaces that are unreachable by foot soldiers are much more secure and durable. I don't hear soldiers that spawn on top of a building or high structure complaining that they got camped. I do hear complaints of camping around CRUs and ground-deployed uplinks all of the time. If my team gets redlined, then I will fly out and drop 1 uplink at about 5 separate (100+ meters apart) strategic locations. Why? Because nobody else had the sense to maintain battlefield mobility in the form of secure, durable uplinks. did you read the dev post on the new equipment or did you just automatically assume the worse. uplinks will have a scan radius the same as the CRUs so harder to camp unseen. also we will be able to carry more so players will be able to place those uplinks where required so wont need to protect their old ones no where near the action as they will be destroyed. by all means fit an uplink. fly it somewhere safe and deploy it. you only need one down to get players back into the fight and let the logistics that spawn in deal with dropping of extra uplinks. do you need to drop 5+ uplinks all over the map when 1 will do the job. if it fails by all means drop another somewhere else. you are a prime example of why we need bandwidth to combat this kind of spamming. this kind of spam is not needed. your in a dropship. why not actually use it to drop players off into battle. that is also an issue for dust. most dropships are only used for the purpose you suggest for dropping of uplinks in hard to reach places. it should be the dropship itself getting players into hard to reach places not the uplinks. All Hail Legion
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1666	Posted - 2014.12.07 04:56:00 - [6] - Quote Clone D wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: If you are solo, why do you need to go and drop copious amounts of equip? There are already 2 folks on the team spending copious amounts of time dropping copious amounts of equip. They are dropping the Links and Hives for their squad, and for all to use. Of course, Having Hives for yourself is always smart, and having links is also a good idea. Tactical Flexibility. But ultimately, if your a solo logi (or trying to pretend to be one), You are going to do a **** job overall. The people you rep will love you, but the team overall gains nothing. If ground-deployed uplinks are left unattended, friendlies get camped and REd. Asking squadded logis to fly up and deploy links on high structures, separates them from their squad. Unless the squad sticks around and defends/guards the uplinks, they can be removed/camped/REd by hostiles. The job of deploying a single uplink to various strategic high structures, unreachable by enemy foot soldiers, is a job for a lonewolf. I don't know any lonewolves who will want to spend the entire remainder of the match in a logi outfit. So, for logis to do a good job, they had better deploy uplinks to secure, durable places. And the squad should stick around and protect uplinks that are in hazardous zones. Otherwise, the deployed uplinks are doing the team a disservice. i rarely die to an uplink camp. sorry but your view that this is something that is widely happening in dust is either a misconception or just extreme bad luck on your behalf or extreme good luck on my behalf. yet i rarely hear of anyone in my corp or circles experiencing this to make me feel it is something that is common do you sit on the building protecting your 5 uplinks scattered about the battlefield. the enemy can just as easily do what you did replacing yours with theirs or camping these uplinks which no one on your side can protect because they are unreachable and you were not there to protect them All Hail Legion
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1667	Posted - 2014.12.07 05:02:00 - [7] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Spamming is sometimes the only thing people are good at. people can call it what they want or make it seem like bandwidth is killing something warm and fluffy dust cannot live without but it all comes down to this statement really All Hail Legion
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1667	Posted - 2014.12.07 05:06:00 - [8] - Quote Clone D wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Clone D wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: If you are solo, why do you need to go and drop copious amounts of equip? There are already 2 folks on the team spending copious amounts of time dropping copious amounts of equip. They are dropping the Links and Hives for their squad, and for all to use. Of course, Having Hives for yourself is always smart, and having links is also a good idea. Tactical Flexibility. But ultimately, if your a solo logi (or trying to pretend to be one), You are going to do a **** job overall. The people you rep will love you, but the team overall gains nothing. If ground-deployed uplinks are left unattended, friendlies get camped and REd. Asking squadded logis to fly up and deploy links on high structures, separates them from their squad. Unless the squad sticks around and defends/guards the uplinks, they can be removed/camped/REd by hostiles. The job of deploying a single uplink to various strategic high structures, unreachable by enemy foot soldiers, is a job for a lonewolf. I don't know any lonewolves who will want to spend the entire remainder of the match in a logi outfit. So, for logis to do a good job, they had better deploy uplinks to secure, durable places. And the squad should stick around and protect uplinks that are in hazardous zones. Otherwise, the deployed uplinks are doing the team a disservice. ... So... Your saying, that for in order for Uplinks to work, you need to fly up and drop them in sniper perches, and then continue assaulting. And, so also apparently determined that a Scout, or a Assault, with their equipment, could NEVER be used to drop links where they are needed? Quite literally, the assault can drop all the uplinks it can deploy, and then go about its slaying. No drawback other then having to fit the damn things. An assault who drops uplinks and then goes about his slaying is doing his team a disservice by leaving ground-deployed uplinks to be camped/REd or destroyed by hostiles. If you deploy uplinks in a hazardous zone, stick around and protect them and the friendlies who deploy there. Otherwise, you're just creating a deathtrap that will help your team get cloned. what are you doing when you drop defenceless uplinks on a roof then leave to do your slaying All Hail Legion
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1668	Posted - 2014.12.07 05:21:00 - [9] - Quote Clone D wrote: Do you understand the idea of risk? Uplinks deployed on high structures, inaccessible to foot soldiers are at a low risk. Uplinks deployed on the ground are at a high risk. Personally protect high-risk uplinks that you deploy. No need to personally protect low-risk uplinks that you deploy. with the new features i will be essentially taking my uplinks with me... is that safe enough for you All Hail Legion
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1670	Posted - 2014.12.07 12:12:00 - [10] - Quote Clone D. you do not have to place 5 uplinks and be locked into a logistics suit. you can quite easily place 1 or 2 strategic uplinks and still be able to change to most suits and your links will remain for most of the fight. also why do you feel that it should be 1 persons responsibility to place all the strategic uplinks on the map. look at the old domi map with the central tower. before ladders people would fill dropships with multiple uplink users and drop them off on the pipes and buildings. that was a team effort is supplying those strategic items. . all of which would survive until the enemy would counter them. i have been killed far more times jumping off buildings with zero situation awareness of what's waiting below than i ever have spawning in on a ground uplink. there is a huge difference between safe/secure uplinks and efficient uplinks. some of your uplinks might get the odd players safely into the game but its my uplinks that get them into the fight. my uplinks are constantly burning out. to me thats efficiency not placing them somewhere they are not needed much at all All Hail Legion

ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1671	Posted - 2014.12.07 14:37:00 - [11] - Quote Clone D wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: i have been killed far more times jumping off buildings with zero situation awareness of what's waiting below than i ever have spawning in on a ground uplink. If you want to prevent zero situational awareneess, look around and down before you jump, my fellow merc. Intentionally face in the direction that makes the most sense when you land. This is far better than ground-spawn on top of a hostile RE. ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: there is a huge difference between safe/secure uplinks and efficient uplinks. some of your uplinks might get the odd players safely into the game but its my uplinks that get them into the fight. my uplinks are constantly burning out. to me thats efficiency not placing them somewhere they are not needed much at all I don't want to place uplinks where they are not needed. What would be the point of that? I'm glad that your ground-deployed uplinks help soldiers get into the fight, bro. That's important. But I also hope that somebody is protecting them, so they don't get camped/REd and destroyed by hostiles. please stop repeating this nonsense about how uplinks are always camped, its a rare occasion if that. it is of minor consequence. every one of your arguments is a repeat of this argument which rarely affects anyone. besides even if it where true the new uplinks after the patch will scan out enemy campers so this whole argument is BS. it is going to be even less likely for players to camp equipment. you are fixated on one aspect of the changes crying foul and ignoring all the other features which combat your issues All Hail Legion
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game RUST415 1686	Posted - 2014.12.09 03:42:00 - [12] - Quote anyone not in a logi suit doing logi tasks is not a logi. dumping copious amounts of gear and then changing suits is not being a logi. if you are a single equipment user then BW does not affect you. if you are a logibro BW does not affect you. if you spam gear and change suits then yes BW will affect you. this is not a nerf disguised as a buff. this has never been a buff, this has always been a fix to something that has been broken for a long time and that is spam you can call it strategic placing of multiple uplinks etc all you want but to any serious logibro its just spam for 1 purpose and that is to get the dropper WPs without any of the cost or risk real logis carry by not changing suits. not to mention it can prevent better use of permanent logistics own gear. i am a full time logi. i have 1 suit in my fittings list and its a mini logi. i never spam. i hit top 3 often because i use my equipment when it is needed generating me WP because of the quality of my placement and timing and not because of spamming a large quantity. its time for others to adapt and overcome as logis have had to do time and time again All Hail Legion