Assault Bonuses:

Role Bonus: 5% reduction to PG/CPU cost of light/sidearm weapons

Amarr: +2% damage to laser weapons.

Mimatar: +2% damage to projectile and explosive weapons.

Gallente: +2% damage to hybrid GÇô blaster weapons.

Caldari: +2% damage to hybrid GÇô railgun weapons.

b]Commando Bonuses[/b]:
Role Bonus: +5% magazine (clip) size of light/sidearm weapons
per level.

Amarr:
5% reduction to laser weaponry heat build-up per level.

Mimitar:
+2% to splash damage per level.

Gallente:
+5% to reload speed of Plasma weapons.

Caldari:
+3% to Rail weapon rate of fire per level.

Which is why Fox gave the Amarr Commando a heat reduction skill bonus, Atiim. It's right there in black and white.

I quite like the idea. However I would change the Caldari commando rate of fire bonus to a swarm launcher bonus, maybe reduced lock on time.

Commandos are naturally good AV suits, and I believe the Caldari's preferred weapon type are actually missiles more than rail weapons.

I read them both, and it doesn't change anything as you'll still overheat well before you reach the end of the magazine.

Also the caldari commando bonus is kinda OP compared to the bonuses you gave the other commandos, it will give them the best range and dps.

Here was my thinking on that. If Caldari get a bonus to rate of fire, that does not change the Kick or Charge time which are the balancing factors on the Rail Rifle.

Reducing Kick would be better for suppressive fire, but people never value Kick reduction as much as they value something that increases DPS directly.

Reducing Charge time would be fine for the Rail Rifle, but might be OP for the Charged Sniper Rifle. On the other hand the Charged Sniper Rifle now only has 3 rounds in the clip, so maybe that would be ok.

Reduced Swarm Launcher lock time would finally put the Swarm Launcher back in the hands of a Caldari suit, but it does not benefit the Rail Rifle at all. (Maybe if we combined the Charge Time and Lock Time bonuses?)

The Caldari bonus definitely deserves further discussion.

I'm thinking a bigger clip bonus and recoil reduction, the goal of the suit is to suppress and with how recoil works on the RR it will go crazy before half the clip has ran out, rof would hinder it's suppressive abilities by making this happen faster but some will just use the suit as a slayer and they will be buffed. But if we further increase the clip, and reduce recoil it will turn the RR into a true long.

So does the Burst HMG, which I use regularly. Even if you can't just hold the trigger down in a continuous spray down range, with proper heat management being able to fire more rounds before you are forced to reload is a good thing.

Besides, a heat reduction bonus applies equally well to both the Laser Rifle and the Scrambler Rifle, so if the clip size bonus is not as good for Amarr, it still probably balances out overall.

Everyone here is agree then that existing bonuses of the Assault suits (proposed here pass on to the Commando, essentially) are crappy bonuses?

Honestly I think people latch onto the Commando's flavor text a bit too much and focus on the 'suppression' word. I think the issue in my mind comes from the fact that adding a bonus doesn't necessarily turn a weapon into a suppression weapon. Like magazine size for a Plasma Rifle doesn't really make it better at suppressing weapon because you're still forced to be in close range, and the magazine size on the Plasma Rifle is plenty big as is. I mean, it's kind of hard to suppress an enemy who's weapon outranges you most of the time, you know?

Probably the only two true suppression weapons I can think of is the Laser Rifle and the Mass Driver. The laser rifle's range and DPS allow it to absolutely tear things apart given the right range, and acts as the perfect area denial/suppression weapon. The Mass Driver obviously has the capability of applying damage over a wide area and can push enemies out of an area with sustained fire. So bonuses to these weapons? Awesome. The problem is we dont have weapons for Caldari or Gallente that properly fill the suppression role, so its difficult to come up with bonuses to affect those weapons for each of the 4 Commandos. Plus since they get two weapons each that basically means that even with 4 suppression weapons, they're only getting half benefit. Get what I'm saying?

I mean let's be honest here, I love the Commando, it's awesome, but it should have never been born. Assaults should have always had two light weapons and filled that role from the start. However they do exist so we have to see what to do with them. I earnestly believe that Assaults and Commandos should just fill very similar roles. They're made to attack, but they do certain things a little differently. Commandos are slow with HP and plow up the middle, Assaults are faster with less HP (Well not really but Commandos need a buff) and flank around. I think it's fine if they both have a damage bonus, as they're both attackers, and then their secondary bonuses can modify the role in a unique way for each. I mean one idea that I'm a huge fan of is that the Assault's damage and weapon support bonuses allow it to fit and use racial weapons extremely efficiently by offsetting the downsides of the weapon and making it more flexible. The Commando on the other hand maintains one light weapon for Anti Infantry defense but also can carry a Light AV weapon, making it a dangerous AV platform without becoming overly weak against infantry. Granted that too would require more weapons, but I think you get my point.

Everyone here is agree then that existing bonuses of the Assault suits (proposed here pass on to the Commando, essentially) are crappy bonuses?

No, these changes are bad. I'm relatively content with how things are currently, though there are a few problems. Swapping the existing role bonuses on the two creates far more problems than it fixes.

Assaults are the go to slayers due to their slot versatility. Commandos are specialists that perform tasks well but do not manage prolonged engagements well, instead playing much better to hit and fade tactics.

Except unlike the Burst HMG, the reload in the SCR is extremely fast so you'll never worry about having a low or empty mag, especially considering how since players usually reloadafter every seizure.

Heat Reduction is fine, but what's the point of having two bonuses if the second one offers nothing in competitive scenarios?

You seem to be suggesting that we leave the bonuses the way they are and just give Assault suits a Damage bonus over top of what they have now. I have suggested this myself in the past, and I still donGÇÖt object to going that route.

In regard to my proposal here, do you think that instead of having a uniform role bonus for Commando we should give them two customized bonuses? Then we could give the Gallente Comando Assault Rifle range + Plasma weapon reload. That would give them more reach with the Assault Rifle to make up for their slower movement and allow the Assault Rifle to be more effective at area denial over open ground.

As to Caldari, while they donGÇÖt have a suppressive fire weapon, I see the Sniper Rifle as a very effective area denial weapon. You could argue that the Rail Rifle is adapt at area denial as well.

Yes I think Assault's current theme of bonuses works (Cal needs a lot of work, Gal might need some tweaking) but the concept is solid. I also think they would do will with a damage bonus as it would solidify their role as 'Slayers' and put the damn Slayer Logi fears to rest.

As for Bonuses, if you actually look at other roles, namely Scout and Sentinel, they each have 1-2 Role Bonuses and then 2 Racial Bonuses. One could argue that Assaults technically have 3 role bonuses but if thats true than Logis have like....7. I think it's safe to say that Assaults simply get 1 Role Bonus of "Weapon Fitting Reduction" just as Logis get "Equipment Fitting Reduction" That being said what you really have are Scouts and Sentinels with 1-2 Role and 2 Racial, where Commandos, Logis, and Assaults have only 1 Role and 1 Racial. I think therefor its reasonable that *all* classes get 2 racial bonuses.

So in this case Assaults would keep the Role Bonus (Weapon Fitting), Racial Weapon Support, as well Racial Weapon Damage. Commandos would maintain their Role Bonus (Reload Speed - Because that **** is kickass for AV weapons), Racial Damage, and then receive some additional Racial Bonus. That's the general principle of how I see it.

Sorry fox. Sh*t bonuses on assaults don't magically become good when you swap them to commandos.

On any weapon with less than 2 sec reload time reload speed is a wasted suit bonus.

I was operating under the assumption that a reload speed bonus would be a direct DPS increase to a weapon with a 1 round clip, however I am not overly experienced with the Plasma Cannon, having not used it in quite some time, so I could very well be wrong on that. If so, then Gallente should have a different bonus that increases DPS.

Any Plasma Cannon users want to tell me if a 25% reload speed bonus would be a sufficient buff to the Plasma Cannon?

Any suggestions for a different bonus?


I am also not apposed to Pokey Dravon's suggestion of leaving the bonuses essentially as they are and just adding a Damage Bonus for the Assault suits on top of what they already have. That was essentially what I was advocating 2 or 3 months ago.