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Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7360	Posted - 2014.11.27 09:38:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. I'm willing to wager $10 that CCP Shanghai is working on another project (not Legion) at this point. Long-Term Roadmap Nothing to show for Legion
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 546	Posted - 2014.11.27 09:43:00 - [2] - Quote And this is general discussion about DUST 514 how? Story of your life
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7360	Posted - 2014.11.27 09:47:00 - [3] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: And this is general discussion about DUST 514 how? Wow, do I really need to explain this..? Okay, so if the development studio that's working on Dust 514 and Project Legion is working on another project.... then that means that they're not working on either of those things anymore. Which means all the revenue (money, if you didn't know) you're dumping into the game is being spent on something that has absolutely nothing to do with it's (Dust's) longevity. On the train now? Kthnx. Lot of the community left after the Legion announcement because it basically meant they were abandoning Dust 514. And other then the work Rattati/Logibro and the gang have been shelling out, they pretty much have. Imagine if they came out and said they were working on something else instead..? Get it now? Long-Term Roadmap Nothing to show for Legion
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact 6127	Posted - 2014.11.27 09:53:00 - [4] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Aoena Rays wrote: And this is general discussion about DUST 514 how? Wow, do I really need to explain this..? Okay, so if the development studio that's working on Dust 514 and Project Legion is working on another project.... then that means that they're not working on either of those things anymore. Which means all the revenue (money, if you didn't know) you're dumping into the game is being spent on something that has absolutely nothing to do with it's (Dust's) longevity. On the train now? Kthnx. Lot of the community left after the Legion announcement because it basically meant they were abandoning Dust 514. And other then the work Rattati/Logibro and the gang have been shelling out, they pretty much have. Imagine if they came out and said they were working on something else instead..? Get it now? Every time i see a post by you it reminds me of this guy. http://i.imgur.com/AcQFf6b.jpg But i still read them, keep it up. Chat: NEG1 Pub EVE 21 Day Trial Viktor's ISK Services
Immortal John Ripper 25841	Posted - 2014.11.27 10:24:00 - [5] - Quote Mandatory taco post. Delete Minmatar from the game.
General John Ripper 25850	Posted - 2014.11.27 10:24:00 - [6] - Quote Mandatory taco post. Delete Minmatar from the game.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17839	Posted - 2014.11.27 11:00:00 - [7] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Mandatory taco post. Mandatory Bacon Counter Post. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2591	Posted - 2014.11.27 13:05:00 - [8] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Aoena Rays wrote: And this is general discussion about DUST 514 how? Wow, do I really need to explain this..? Okay, so if the development studio that's working on Dust 514 and Project Legion is working on another project.... then that means that they're not working on either of those things anymore. Which means all the revenue (money, if you didn't know) you're dumping into the game is being spent on something that has absolutely nothing to do with it's (Dust's) longevity. On the train now? Kthnx. Lot of the community left after the Legion announcement because it basically meant they were abandoning Dust 514. And other then the work Rattati/Logibro and the gang have been shelling out, they pretty much have. Imagine if they came out and said they were working on something else instead..? Get it now? Every time i see a post by you it reminds me of this guy. http://i.imgur.com/AcQFf6b.jpg But i still read them, keep it up. LMAO! However Aeon has a point. Though I think we excepted this (Aeon's point) a long time ago right? "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2078	Posted - 2014.11.27 13:47:00 - [9] - Quote There are very few gaming companies of a reasonable size that don't have multiple projects on the go. The vast majority never get past the concept stage so are never spoken of publicly. I'd be rather alarmed at such an isolationist view if CCP chose not to keep their options open. Poor business sense to put all your eggs in one basket I'd have thought. So as my real life job is being a bookie I'd have to give you very short odds on that bet. Odds on in fact. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 1005	Posted - 2014.11.27 14:11:00 - [10] - Quote Really no announcements about Legion or Dust this fanfest?!!! Seriously wtf are they doing over at Shanghai? Why can't they see that the community is starving for news about Legion? Now I'm just closer to saying "fk it I'm going to invest in Star Citizen" and eventually forget about this nightmare trip that has been SoonTM. They're pretty much asking the community to leave but hand over some of your money on the way out. Should Legion be on the ps4?

axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 377	Posted - 2014.11.27 18:15:00 - [11] - Quote Its sad I spend money on this game in hopes they continue to improve and or start legion..... And for no news to be said at fanfest is pretty pathetic I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17850	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:10:00 - [12] - Quote 12$ of every EA game sold at full price (60$) goes into games that never get born/announced/greenlit/alphaed/vsliced/launched. If one thing EA has been known to do is run a business, successfully rather. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
SuperMido Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 83	Posted - 2014.11.27 21:51:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: 12$ of every EA game sold at full price (60$) goes into games that never get born/announced/greenlit/alphaed/vsliced/launched. If one thing EA has been known to do is run a business, successfully rather. Dont even try...If CCP really abandoned Legion as well, then one thing, they can GO **** THEMSELVES....
SuperMido Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 83	Posted - 2014.11.27 21:55:00 - [14] - Quote da GAND wrote: Really no announcements about Legion or Dust this fanfest?!!! Seriously wtf are they doing over at Shanghai? Why can't they see that the community is starving for news about Legion? Now I'm just closer to saying "fk it I'm going to invest in Star Citizen" and eventually forget about this nightmare trip that has been SoonTM. They're pretty much asking the community to leave but hand over some of your money on the way out. Same here, been following up with StarCitizen, and so far I've invested $80 into it. Lol. But still, StarCitizen is not exactly what i was looking for, even with the whole FPS part of it. I just dont like how its going to be instanced gameplay with major focus on PvE. Was really hoping Legion would be officially announced this fanfest. To me, Dust 514's original concept is a dream come true in gaming, and was hoping CCP would accomplish it with Legion :(
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 1007	Posted - 2014.11.27 22:41:00 - [15] - Quote SuperMido wrote: da GAND wrote: Really no announcements about Legion or Dust this fanfest?!!! Seriously wtf are they doing over at Shanghai? Why can't they see that the community is starving for news about Legion? Now I'm just closer to saying "fk it I'm going to invest in Star Citizen" and eventually forget about this nightmare trip that has been SoonTM. They're pretty much asking the community to leave but hand over some of your money on the way out. Same here, been following up with StarCitizen, and so far I've invested $80 into it. Lol. But still, StarCitizen is not exactly what i was looking for, even with the whole FPS part of it. I just dont like how its going to be instanced gameplay with major focus on PvE. Was really hoping Legion would be officially announced this fanfest. To me, Dust 514's original concept is a dream come true in gaming, and was hoping CCP would accomplish it with Legion :( Agreed I really would like to see that accomplished with Legion and Valkyrie added as gateways into New Eden. The whole instanced thing in Star Citizen is a bit of a problem for me but it'll still be what I'll go to if CCP or just Legion flops. Which is..... I'd like to say unlikely but without seeing anything for Legion for way too long I just can't say that. Should Legion be on the ps4?
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5181	Posted - 2014.11.28 15:11:00 - [16] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Hey guys, We are not planning to make any announcements about or show anything new for DUST 514 or Project Legion at Fanfest, but CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge will be on hand to talk to attendees and participate in all the usual activities with everyone such as pub crawls and roundtables. I'm willing to wager $10 that CCP Shanghai is working on another project (not Legion) at this point. Well then it must be a dam cool project considering how cheerful CPM1 members have been recently. Consider how CPM0 was acting this time last year, versus how CPM1 are acting now? What is behind the NDA? Do you think it is good news or bad news? Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5181	Posted - 2014.11.28 15:23:00 - [17] - Quote If the EVE Keynote announces that EVE players will be given the ability to get out of their pods, get into a dropsuit, and participate in land battlesGÇª I will be pissing myself laughing. That would be neither a DUST nor Legion announcement! Or, they may have changed the name againGÇª Or, they just want to talk to members under the radar without the media hype of a Key Note. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
DaReaperPW Net 7 40	Posted - 2014.11.28 16:34:00 - [18] - Quote SuperMido wrote: da GAND wrote: Really no announcements about Legion or Dust this fanfest?!!! Seriously wtf are they doing over at Shanghai? Why can't they see that the community is starving for news about Legion? Now I'm just closer to saying "fk it I'm going to invest in Star Citizen" and eventually forget about this nightmare trip that has been SoonTM. They're pretty much asking the community to leave but hand over some of your money on the way out. Same here, been following up with StarCitizen, and so far I've invested $80 into it. Lol. But still, StarCitizen is not exactly what i was looking for, even with the whole FPS part of it. I just dont like how its going to be instanced gameplay with major focus on PvE. Was really hoping Legion would be officially announced this fanfest. To me, Dust 514's original concept is a dream come true in gaming, and was hoping CCP would accomplish it with Legion :( Legion could still be announced at fan fest. you don;t need a keynote for it to announce it. You merely have Rouge get on stage during CCP presents which is the last keynote on the last day and go 'Hi guys, just so you know we have green lite project legion.. thanks' simple. They said they are not planning on making any announcements. That doesn't mean they won;t. But we will see what happens. And besides as already said if CCP Shanghai is focused on another project, then dust and legion are dead. So why would you make that bet or hope for that if you enjoy your game?
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. 1929	Posted - 2014.11.29 15:50:00 - [19] - Quote LOL... I am Dust Free, found fun in gaming again, Destiny, hell yes, Planetside2? Makes dust look like what it is, crap.
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5457	Posted - 2014.11.29 16:42:00 - [20] - Quote I am honestly dumbfounded. An entire year after they announce ditching Dust 514 for a PC game that some of the current community may not even be able to play, they're not even going to say anything about Project: Legion either? Let's not forget that they had a panel or presentation of some kind for World of Darkness for at least the last few years before they canned that. Now a brand new project that they only announced last year gets completely ignored at the largest press event held by the company? Can CCP Shanghai even still be called part of CCP Global anymore? It sure doesn't feel like it. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4868	Posted - 2014.11.29 19:27:00 - [21] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: An entire year after they announce ditching Dust 514 for a PC game that some of the current community may not even be able to play Does it feel like they have ditched DUST 514? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Sigourney Reever Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 52	Posted - 2014.11.29 19:47:00 - [22] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: An entire year after they announce ditching Dust 514 for a PC game that some of the current community may not even be able to play Does it feel like they have ditched DUST 514? Yes, It feels like Dust514, the MMOFPS, deeply integrated within the EVE universe, has been ditched.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4869	Posted - 2014.11.29 19:53:00 - [23] - Quote Sigourney Reever wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: An entire year after they announce ditching Dust 514 for a PC game that some of the current community may not even be able to play Does it feel like they have ditched DUST 514? Yes, It feels like Dust514, the MMOFPS, deeply integrated within the EVE universe, has been ditched. Okay, I do feel your pain on that one, as I believe the biggest selling feature for DUST 514 is still a link to EVE. CCP's not against revisiting the EVE link, but they feel DUST (or Legion) needs to be a very good game independently first. (I think the EVE link will help it reach that point, IMHO.) But Uprising 1.9 would not have happened if DUST 514 had been ditched. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 191	Posted - 2014.11.29 20:02:00 - [24] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: And this is general discussion about DUST 514 how? It doesn't its in the project Legion forum.... pha! kids thesedays. -Trollmode on- They are still working on boots on the ground but its the incarna engine for eve players walking and fighting on planets/stations... for pure seemlessness with eve and valkyrie as shown in the prophecy trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFTUazuGdTw -trollmode off- (or is it?) Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4869	Posted - 2014.11.29 20:11:00 - [25] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: They are still working on boots on the ground but its the incarna engine for eve players walking and fighting on planets/stations... for pure seemlessness with eve and valkyrie as shown in the prophecy trailer. Valkyrie is actually written in Unreal 4, so... CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 191	Posted - 2014.11.29 20:13:00 - [26] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Lady MDK wrote: They are still working on boots on the ground but its the incarna engine for eve players walking and fighting on planets/stations... for pure seemlessness with eve and valkyrie as shown in the prophecy trailer. Valkyrie is actually written in Unreal 4, so... Yeah i know... it doesn't hurt to imagine though :) and at the rate CCP changes its mind.... my goodness it could be a completely different project by now lol. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2252	Posted - 2014.11.29 21:13:00 - [27] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Aoena Rays wrote: And this is general discussion about DUST 514 how? It doesn't its in the project Legion forum.... pha! kids thesedays. It was moved from GD Sure, no way of knowing that, but it wouldn't be hard to figure out that was the case. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 154	Posted - 2014.11.29 21:18:00 - [28] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Sigourney Reever wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: An entire year after they announce ditching Dust 514 for a PC game that some of the current community may not even be able to play Does it feel like they have ditched DUST 514? Yes, It feels like Dust514, the MMOFPS, deeply integrated within the EVE universe, has been ditched. Okay, I do feel your pain on that one, as I believe the biggest selling feature for DUST 514 is still a link to EVE. CCP's not against revisiting the EVE link, but they feel DUST (or Legion) needs to be a very good game independently first. (I think the EVE link will help it reach that point, IMHO.) But Uprising 1.9 would not have happened if DUST 514 had been ditched. Of course they "ditched" dust 514, otherwise why would they had halt content development for their game , make a new game on a different platform that supposedly be their original vision, and split the development team with others either leaving the company or getting pulled to a different studio? With the addition to making an advert to the game and never even using it and of course the recent announcement that Legion or Dust won't have any big focus during Fanfest, that should give a clue on what their focus and intentions are. It may not be completely abandoned, but they hardly committed to Dust like they supposedly was before.
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2252	Posted - 2014.11.29 21:51:00 - [29] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Does it feel like they have ditched DUST 514? Leaving a skeleton crew working on a game screams ditched game, not sure how you can say otherwise. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 193	Posted - 2014.11.30 08:04:00 - [30] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Lady MDK wrote: Aoena Rays wrote: And this is general discussion about DUST 514 how? It doesn't its in the project Legion forum.... pha! kids thesedays. It was moved from GD Sure, no way of knowing that, but it wouldn't be hard to figure out that was the case. I bow to your intelligence. Now feed me oh mighty troll feeder. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)

lateriss ObscuriLateris 15	Posted - 2014.12.01 16:34:00 - [31] - Quote Its a bummer we wont hear anything about Project Legion anytime soon. >...>
God Hates Lags Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1433	Posted - 2014.12.01 20:39:00 - [32] - Quote I wouldn't take that bet, but I'd imagine that about half of the shanghai team has been reallocated to improving Dust while a small subsection has been put on continuing to "explore" the possibility of Legion. Basically, my feeling is that the choice has been to make dust as much of a workable (meaning profitable) game as possible before any further work goes into Legion. Rail Rifle and Bolt Pistol Champion Fatal Absolution Director
Sigourney Reever Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 54	Posted - 2014.12.02 03:22:00 - [33] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Sigourney Reever wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: An entire year after they announce ditching Dust 514 for a PC game that some of the current community may not even be able to play Does it feel like they have ditched DUST 514? Yes, It feels like Dust514, the MMOFPS, deeply integrated within the EVE universe, has been ditched. Okay, I do feel your pain on that one, as I believe the biggest selling feature for DUST 514 is still a link to EVE. CCP's not against revisiting the EVE link, but they feel DUST (or Legion) needs to be a very good game independently first. (I think the EVE link will help it reach that point, IMHO.) But Uprising 1.9 would not have happened if DUST 514 had been ditched. 1.9 is just a more articulate monetization of existing assets. Until I hear anything from EVE devs regarding EVE: Legion, or the unified EVE Online (EVE/Valk/Legion) they seem to be setting up for, its dead. The only thing that really makes these games more interesting than others is EVE as represented in CCP's approach to sandbox multiplayer single shard gaming, player economy, etc. The funniest part is that they have the special sauce, they just never served us very much of it after running scared from Incarna. It's still the fulcrum by which CCP's fate pivots. Dust thus far has only delivered the 'module system' akin to EVE. After 5 years (1st gameplay demos in '09) and we're still tweaking a basic and functionally incomplete set. What did EVE look like 2 yrs after launch? (I found it in '07-'08) By that metric is Dust/Legion equally far along?
DaReaperPW Net 7 40	Posted - 2014.12.03 16:42:00 - [34] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Does it feel like they have ditched DUST 514? Leaving a skeleton crew working on a game screams ditched game, not sure how you can say otherwise. Glances at the dust roadmap.. i think your are wrong
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2256	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:33:00 - [35] - Quote DaReaperPW wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Leaving a skeleton crew working on a game screams ditched game, not sure how you can say otherwise. Glances at the dust roadmap.. i think your are wrong Nothing about my statement is wrong though. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
DaReaperPW Net 7 42	Posted - 2014.12.03 23:39:00 - [36] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: DaReaperPW wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Leaving a skeleton crew working on a game screams ditched game, not sure how you can say otherwise. Glances at the dust roadmap.. i think your are wrong Nothing about my statement is wrong though. working on a game =! ditched. but meh. your definition of ditched is prolly different then mine, but i'll agree to disagree =)
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5309	Posted - 2014.12.03 23:48:00 - [37] - Quote Welcome back Aeon. CCP has been putting more effort into Dust 514 recently. With such a lean dev team working on two games is a terrible use of resources. My guess is Legion is on ice for an indeterminate amount of time. My advice to you, playa...
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2014.12.03 23:54:00 - [38] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: DaReaperPW wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Leaving a skeleton crew working on a game screams ditched game, not sure how you can say otherwise. Glances at the dust roadmap.. i think your are wrong Nothing about my statement is wrong though. True it's still a skeleton crew, just because CCP are doing tentative updates doesn't mean they got many hires that replaced the original people . Most likely some Legion and Dust developers are going back and forth or something else.
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 157	Posted - 2014.12.03 23:56:00 - [39] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: DaReaperPW wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Leaving a skeleton crew working on a game screams ditched game, not sure how you can say otherwise. Glances at the dust roadmap.. i think your are wrong Nothing about my statement is wrong though. True it's still a skeleton crew, just because CCP are doing tentative updates doesn't mean they got many hires that replaced the original people . Most likely some Legion and Dust developers are going back and forth or something else.
Hakyou Brutor Titans of Phoenix 1730	Posted - 2014.12.04 01:09:00 - [40] - Quote Well, I'm okay with it. Ratatti and a few other devs have been doing much better in the last 6 months than original shanghai did in 2 1/2 years. Knight Soiaire = my bae

McFurious TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 804	Posted - 2014.12.07 13:18:00 - [41] - Quote CCP never fails to disappoint. I'll stick with Star Citizen. Legion is vaporware. Half Irish. Often angry. Grizzled Masshole Closed Beta Vet PC > Console
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1841	Posted - 2014.12.07 14:27:00 - [42] - Quote McFurious wrote: CCP never fails to disappoint. I'll stick with Star Citizen. Legion is vaporware. Correction: I'll stick with Perpetual Beta fueled by PC Gamer Xenophobia. Legion is vaporware. The horror! The horror! ( -íº -£-û -íº)
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1898	Posted - 2014.12.07 15:45:00 - [43] - Quote I took the time to write up a lengthy post regarding Legion's absence from Fanfest 2015, as well as listing every logical conclusion that can be reached from this decision. Check it out! (also whine for a PS4 build) The horror! The horror! ( -íº -£-û -íº)
Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5551	Posted - 2015.01.02 04:35:00 - [44] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: An entire year after they announce ditching Dust 514 for a PC game that some of the current community may not even be able to play Does it feel like they have ditched DUST 514? The funny thing about these posts being made before the Roadmap release is now there are even MORE questions. The biggest one being: if Dust 514 is now getting client updates again, what does this mean for Project Legion? I think pretty much all of us are in concurrence on the idea that if the game is going to do any better, it's going to need to eventually move to a different platform. Is this still the intention, or is the current waterfall of new AURUM content just a prelude to the home office deciding they've gotten all they can here and pulling the plug? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5166	Posted - 2015.01.02 05:38:00 - [45] - Quote Mobius, I feel the people working on DUST have a long-term commitment to their players. I think we're all very well aware that the PS3 platform has a limited lifespan, but obviously CCP is not ready to announce anything more in that department at this time. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7651	Posted - 2015.01.02 07:58:00 - [46] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius, I feel the people working on DUST have a long-term commitment to their players. I think we're all very well aware that the PS3 platform has a limited lifespan, but obviously CCP is not ready to announce anything more in that department at this time. CCP doesn't seem to be ready to announce anything at any time. Part of the reason for discontent within the community is because of the silence game they keep playing, something we expected would change after Fanfest because the big surprise was out. It doesn't seem like anything was learned from the mistakes at Fanfest. Aeon's Links In an effort to be "positive" I will agree to everything CCP does.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5167	Posted - 2015.01.02 14:46:00 - [47] - Quote The fact that CCP is smart enough to not be making a big deal at Fanfest this year is proof CCP has learned from the mistakes of the last two years of Fanfest. It's not a 'silence game', so much as they're not at a point where they have something they can announce. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5987	Posted - 2015.01.02 14:55:00 - [48] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: It's not a 'silence game', so much as they're not at a point where they have something they can announce. It's been a year, Soraya. You mean that in a year there hasn't been any measurable progress on Legion? If so, that's ******* terrifying. If so, we'll have an alpha sometime in Q4 2019. My advice to you, playa...
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5167	Posted - 2015.01.02 15:05:00 - [49] - Quote Just because there is nothing that can be announced doesn't mean it's not "measurable progress". CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5989	Posted - 2015.01.02 15:35:00 - [50] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Just because there is nothing that can be announced doesn't mean it's not "measurable progress". Measurable progress, in and of itself, is an announcement. My advice to you, playa...

steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3438	Posted - 2015.01.02 17:53:00 - [51] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Just because there is nothing that can be announced doesn't mean it's not "measurable progress". sadly soraya your having to fight CCPs rep here, history points to the fact that CCP are awful at making new games... i think the community can safely assume legion is not happening for a long time (years) because if it was impending we would be seeing something by now. with valk also coming up (if that ever comes out itself) its a smart assumption that required resources are focused their. i dont really have much faith in the company not to cashcow dust until the ps3 install base moves along. and then close the game down and just focus on EvE again with Valk being a one development due to novel tech making it being an easy sell. the community has nothing to base any good faith on from CCP or CPMs until that changes i cant see legion communty not being hostile to being told everything fine and working well. that has just simply never been the case with anything CCP has ever made. ....i dont really have a point here other than posts always come across as the community not being reasonable which in some cases probably fair but in this one... in regards to CCP developments and are we ever actually ever going to see any kind of progress outside of talk... all evidence points to it will be talk for years dont wait around You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2015.01.02 18:19:00 - [52] - Quote I assume that DUST will continue to evolve while the playerbase is around/paying for it. What CCP need to do in my opinion is let us know that Legion is being developed in parallel and will take over once DUSt has reached its logical conclusion and can be developed no further. But until we hear it from CCP wtf is going on over there? Cus what we heard last year was we are moving development to PC hoorah!! Even as someone who is primarily a PC gamer it was a touch confusing why they would do it.... having just started creating a community of console players. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7655	Posted - 2015.01.02 23:35:00 - [53] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Just because there is nothing that can be announced doesn't mean it's not "measurable progress". We have no doubt that they've made great strides but you can't say that they're not playing the Silent Game and then say that they just don't have anything they're ready to show. That's contradictory. The community should be involved as early as possible and it has shown time and time and time again that the earlier we are involved, the better off it'll be. CCP Rattati himself has shown that this has amazing results as we can often weigh in with community crowdsourced feedback. Do -NOT- let Legion be another "retrospect and hindsight" tragedy.. There are no more excuses for why this should happen. Aeon's Links In an effort to be "positive" I will agree to everything CCP does.
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3342	Posted - 2015.01.03 00:12:00 - [54] - Quote This is just another case of the CPM being apologists for CCP instead of representing the player base like they are supposed to.
DaReaperPW Net 7 68	Posted - 2015.01.03 02:35:00 - [55] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: This is just another case of the CPM being apologists for CCP instead of representing the player base like they are supposed to. you misunderstand the role of CPM. They are yoru voice to CCP, not the other way around. They can tell ccp to give us info till they are blue in the face, and ccp could EASILY give the CPM tons of info.. then merely go 'btw this is NDA' and CPM can;t say a word. CPM only represents you to ccp, that it. Its a one way street. And their hands are tied. Give them a break.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5196	Posted - 2015.01.03 03:19:00 - [56] - Quote Aeon, it's not really possible for me to explain further within the limits of the NDA. Would if I could. :/ Thanks, DaReaper. I try and say as much as I can get away with. ;) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7655	Posted - 2015.01.03 06:04:00 - [57] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Aeon, it's not really possible for me to explain further within the limits of the NDA. Would if I could. :/ Thanks, DaReaper. I try and say as much as I can get away with. ;) That's fine. It's not your job to tell us, it's your job to represent us and the questions we are asking. It's the developers' job to answer and explain further. Aeon's Links In an effort to be "positive" I will agree to everything CCP does.
Jathniel 1397	Posted - 2015.01.03 07:49:00 - [58] - Quote Well, it seems that's the conclusion of the matter. I played Dust and paid money into Dust, because I liked Dust, and I wanted to support Legion development. No word being given on either, tells me that nothing is being worked on. So I won't play Dust anymore. When and if they decide to takes Dust's future more seriously, by changing platform, or at least saying they are working on it... then I'll gladly play again. They have our emails, they can annouce their intentions at any time. Retired
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 1254	Posted - 2015.01.03 09:35:00 - [59] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Well, it seems that's the conclusion of the matter. I played Dust and paid money into Dust, because I liked Dust, and I wanted to support Legion development. No word being given on either, tells me that nothing is being worked on. So I won't play Dust anymore. When and if they decide to takes Dust's future more seriously, by changing platform, or at least saying they are working on it... then I'll gladly play again. They have our emails, they can annouce their intentions at any time. Just play it for fun! I spend money on dust to accrue sp and spec into fun things and enjoy myself! Ask yourself, when was the last time you were laughing over coms about pulling off some absurd fit, or giggling when someone is sent flying spectacularly by an explosion? I've had plenty of butt-hurt this week, but boy I had a ton of fun too! Play it because you like the game NOW. If you don't like it now, then don't play it. I meleed a full Fatal Absolution squad off of a roof in dom about three weeks ago, I was loosing my **** on coms I was laughing so hard, I was like, "There goes someone, I can smell it, he's in need of a good punching, and who am I to decline?* POW melee +50 xD Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3342	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:17:00 - [60] - Quote DaReaperPW wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: This is just another case of the CPM being apologists for CCP instead of representing the player base like they are supposed to. you misunderstand the role of CPM. They are yoru voice to CCP, not the other way around. They can tell ccp to give us info till they are blue in the face, and ccp could EASILY give the CPM tons of info.. then merely go 'btw this is NDA' and CPM can;t say a word. CPM only represents you to ccp, that it. Its a one way street. And their hands are tied. Give them a break. I think you misunderstand the CPM. They are supposed to be our voice to CCP, not the other way around. However, about 90% of Soraya's posts are defending CCP and why they aren't talking. He's not supposed to be a CCP apologist, it just gives the impression that the CPM are Shanghai's community rep team and little else. Its a poor focus of effort and I'm calling it where I see it.

steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3441	Posted - 2015.01.03 16:15:00 - [61] - Quote ZDub when have the CPM been anything else. they are focus group nothing more luckily this CPM cycle i feel safe enough that they get shooters at least...unlike the last CPM guys who where just EvE players :\ frankly the CPM are PR method of us giving them greif than us giving CCP hassle, i hardly doubt the CPM have any meaningful impact that could not be sourced by just straight up asking on the forums which is what rattia does and seems to be getting better results, lets be honest the CPM are a distraction group designed to make us feel like we are engaged in the process. You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5571	Posted - 2015.01.03 17:39:00 - [62] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Just because there is nothing that can be announced doesn't mean it's not "measurable progress". sadly soraya your having to fight CCPs rep here, history points to the fact that CCP are awful at making new games... i think the community can safely assume legion is not happening for a long time (years) because if it was impending we would be seeing something by now. with valk also coming up (if that ever comes out itself) its a smart assumption that required resources are focused their. i dont really have much faith in the company not to cashcow dust until the ps3 install base moves along. and then close the game down and just focus on EvE again with Valk being a one development due to novel tech making it an easy sell. the community has nothing to base any good faith on from CCP or CPMs until that changes i cant see legion communty not being hostile to being told everything fine and working well. that has just simply never been the case with anything CCP has ever made. ....i dont really have a point here other than your posts always come across as the community not being reasonable which in some cases probably fair but in this one... in regards to CCP developments and are we ever actually ever going to see any kind of progress outside of talk... all evidence points to it will be talk for years... dont wait around EVE Valkyrie is being produced by CCP Newcastle, a differnet division independent of both Reykjavik and Shanghai. CCP Shanghai has nothing to do with that game. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7660	Posted - 2015.01.03 22:01:00 - [63] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: ZDub when have the CPM been anything else. they are focus group nothing more luckily this CPM cycle i feel safe enough that they get shooters at least...unlike the last CPM guys who where just EvE players :\ frankly the CPM are PR method of us giving them greif than us giving CCP hassle, i hardly doubt the CPM have any meaningful impact that could not be sourced by just straight up asking on the forums which is what rattia does and seems to be getting better results, lets be honest the CPM are a distraction group designed to make us feel like we are engaged in the process. The CPM are incredibly powerful when implemented correctly. However, because we don't have anything like the CSM Minutes that Eve Online has (basically a giant transcript of the conversations that the CSM and CCP have during their bi-yearly meetings) we can't even provide civilian oversight of our elected representatives, something that I was going to press hard for had I been elected because it ties in with that whole "Community First" approach I had going on but c'est la vie. The problem with the current CPM, I find, is that they - from an outsider's view - appear to have issue prioritizing things that will benefit us in the long run. I personally think that the current CPM, as well as CCP, are playing checkers when they should be playing chess. In essence, they're clouded by the tunnel vision of the now rather than focusing on the things that are going to matter later. This is an amateur's theory, mind you, as I know just as much as the next guy in the community. But, consider the fact that we have yet to have any sort of drive for further community interaction by the CPM (third-party dev support, volunteer programs, etc). Apart from white-tagged (CPM made) consolidated threads asking for specialized feedback, there isn't much in the way of actually -INVOLVING- the community. This could either be because the correct questions aren't being asked by the CPM, CCP is stonewalling, or it legitimately cannot be done at current and we're simply not being informed of such. The latter is equally as dangerous as without being informed of such we continue to provide feedback on something that just isn't going to happen in the near future. Then, you have to consider the age old question: What is Dust 514 supposed to be? Tactical, twitch? MMO, lobby? Grind-game or story-teller? It's the one question that has yet to ever be answered but they still tell the press that they love hearing our feedback and continuing dialogue. Incidentally... We give them feedback on our ideal of what the game should be because we have nothing to really go off of otherwise. My biggest fear is that the current CPM simply aren't asking the hard questions and that they are only focused on the now. Worse yet, I fear that that is all CCP is allowing them to be. We'll never really know because it's all behind the curtains and there is yet to be a single person that's broken that mold. EDIT: Just wanted to mention the seemingly failed Community Crowdsourcing Trello which seems to have been completely abandoned and is now controlled by self-appointed moderators as a good example of what I'm trying to illustrate. Aeon's Links In an effort to be "positive" I will agree to everything CCP does.
Golden Day You Can Call Me Daddy 145	Posted - 2015.01.03 22:16:00 - [64] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: I assume that DUST will continue to evolve while the playerbase is around/paying for it. What CCP need to do in my opinion is let us know that Legion is being developed in parallel and will take over once DUSt has reached its logical conclusion and can be developed no further. But until we hear it from CCP wtf is going on over there? Cus what we heard last year was we are moving development to PC hoorah!! Even as someone who is primarily a PC gamer it was a touch confusing why they would do it.... having just started creating a community of console players. Shields mmmmm.....
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5204	Posted - 2015.01.04 08:22:00 - [65] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: I think you misunderstand the CPM. They are supposed to be our voice to CCP, not the other way around. However, about 90% of Soraya's posts are defending CCP and why they aren't talking. He's not supposed to be a CCP apologist, it just gives the impression that the CPM are Shanghai's community rep team and little else. Its a poor focus of effort and it's a bad culture to be developing in a group like the CPM, I'm calling it where I see it. So, the problem is, you can't see us passing on your voice to CCP. Because it's behind closed doors. In blunt honesty, you have no ability to judge my job competency. (That's problematic in itself, which is a valid complaint. But criticism of my posts as somehow not doing my job are not.) Because my job is not to post publicly. What information I do my best to convey by correcting misinformation and such is extra. When you're too strung up in your own assumption of right that you miss broadside clues as to where things are, because you'd rather see me as spinning some marketing line as opposed to conveying my honest opinion as closely as I can within the confines of my limitations, it just says something about you. steadyhand amarr wrote: i hardly doubt the CPM have any meaningful impact that could not be sourced by just straight up asking on the forums which is what rattia does and seems to be getting better results We work very closely with CCP Rattati on DUST development, and I'm very happy that at this point, the results are so public. That player feedback is being directly solicited and used for implementing development changes. However, there's also a wide class of topics CCP is unable or unwilling to broach with players in public. Some of those reasons are completely justified, and some of them are not. But the CPM is the process that ensures there are at least a limited amount of player feedback brought into those discussions. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5204	Posted - 2015.01.04 08:26:00 - [66] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Don't even get me started on this bullshit. The difference between the CPM in EVE and the CPM in Dust is pretty damn stark. We have had every indication so far that CCP Shanghai barely even listens to you all, and they clearly have you so bound up in NDAs that every time you try and say anything you just get labeled as apologists or ignored because you can't back up any of your statements. There's definite differences. Though in some ways I'd say we may even be more influential than the CSM is in EVE. It depends on the topic. There are, of course, things I am jealous of the CSM for, such as their two annual summits with publicly posted minutes (albeit with NDA redactions). Mobius Wyvern wrote: Why is the damn "Marketing Firewall" so thick?! You realize other developers are letting people see the earliest and most broken bits of their games and it's actually getting them more support? More players coming on board? That would be a question for the marketing department. Perhaps if those very open development processes yield very positive results, that will sway how CCP does business. Mobius Wyvern wrote: We have more transparency with the EVE development team than ever before, and the Dust development team can't even be bothered to produce DevBlogs about anything other than developer profiles. Actually, on the contrary, we have a development roadmap. EVE Online has never had such a thing, and holds back most discussion of what features they're working on next from the playerbase so that they can make large marketing reveals. Features are worked on for months before they get a dramatic reveal at Fanfest. Whereas we know about stuff that's going to be worked on in the near future. We're ahead of EVE in this regard. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5204	Posted - 2015.01.04 08:37:00 - [67] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: The CPM are incredibly powerful when implemented correctly. However, because we don't have anything like the CSM Minutes that Eve Online has (basically a giant transcript of the conversations that the CSM and CCP have during their bi-yearly meetings) we can't even provide civilian oversight of our elected representatives, something that I was going to press hard for had I been elected because it ties in with that whole "Community First" approach I had going on but c'est la vie. I share your pain on this item. CSM's two annual summits with minutes are extremely valuable, and definitely something it is unfortunate the CPM doesn't have to show for at the moment. Aeon Amadi wrote: The problem with the current CPM, I find, is that they - from an outsider's view - appear to have issue prioritizing things that will benefit us in the long run. I personally think that the current CPM, as well as CCP, are playing checkers when they should be playing chess. In essence, they're clouded by the tunnel vision of the now rather than focusing on the things that are going to matter later. This is an amateur's theory, mind you, as I know just as much as the next guy in the community. There's somewhat of a balancing act in both providing frameworks for later, and solid long-term plans, as well as ensuring enough is coming that's urgently needed in the now to keep the game going strong. Aeon Amadi wrote: But, consider the fact that we have yet to have any sort of drive for further community interaction by the CPM (third-party dev support, volunteer programs, etc). Apart from white-tagged (CPM made) consolidated threads asking for specialized feedback, there isn't much in the way of actually -INVOLVING- the community. This could either be because the correct questions aren't being asked by the CPM, CCP is stonewalling, or it legitimately cannot be done at current and we're simply not being informed of such. The latter is equally as dangerous as without being informed of such we continue to provide feedback on something that just isn't going to happen in the near future. Third-party dev support is basically entirely reliant on CREST. You might've noticed there's been a lot of work done on it by CCP FoxFour in the last few months, but it's still very far from what either EVE or DUST needs. And yes, I do ask you to bear in mind, not to assume any additional success you would make if you were in our shoes, because you aren't. And in some cases, you wouldn't. Also, please bear in mind that I do support these objectives, and ask about things like the ISD when possible. Sometimes things are not possible, and the reasons why are not public. Sometimes things are not possible, and we tell people why they aren't possible, and we still hear requests for them over a year later anyways. One particular challenge that has come up for me at this point once or twice is forgetting which answers were NDA, and which weren't, and having to err on the side of caution. Aeon Amadi wrote: My biggest fear is that the current CPM simply aren't asking the hard questions and that they are only focused on the now. Worse yet, I fear that that is all CCP is allowing them to be. We'll never really know because it's all behind the curtains and there is yet to be a single person that's broken that mold. As you say, unfortunately, there's no way for us to show you. As for the subtle hint that someone should break the NDA, I am doubtful you'll find any takers there. Both because nobody wants the legal trouble, and because we care about the community, and we're aware that breaking the NDA would do severe harm to the CPM's ability to interact with CCP on the level that we do, and deliver player feedback in such a direct manner. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3444	Posted - 2015.01.04 09:36:00 - [68] - Quote Sorya im sure you are doing what you can. I actually have no problem with you as a cpm as at least you fecking talk to us =ƒÿå. However the wall of NDA will constantly undermine anything you say. We simple have no proof what you are saying is happening it's all just words. Their is simply noway for anyone to know what cpm doing and achieving. The idea of NDAs is antiquated EVE comp are both projects that hugely by their nature everyone knows what's happening and what's being developed and both those games have very strong core fanbase. NDAs only came about when video games where in their infancy and everyone was worried someone else would steal their idea. They are simply not needed anymore... unless your building junk games that don't work... i forgot what the original topic was a while back.....cpm need to show us what their actually doing...its all talk from some guy with tag at the moment You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7719	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:35:00 - [69] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: But, consider the fact that we have yet to have any sort of drive for further community interaction by the CPM (third-party dev support, volunteer programs, etc). Apart from white-tagged (CPM made) consolidated threads asking for specialized feedback, there isn't much in the way of actually -INVOLVING- the community. This could either be because the correct questions aren't being asked by the CPM, CCP is stonewalling, or it legitimately cannot be done at current and we're simply not being informed of such. The latter is equally as dangerous as without being informed of such we continue to provide feedback on something that just isn't going to happen in the near future. Third-party dev support is basically entirely reliant on CREST. You might've noticed there's been a lot of work done on it by CCP FoxFour in the last few months, but it's still very far from what either EVE or DUST needs. And yes, I do ask you to bear in mind, not to assume any additional success you would make if you were in our shoes, because you aren't. And in some cases, you wouldn't. Also, please bear in mind that I do support these objectives, and ask about things like the ISD when possible. Lol. I don't assume anything and I try not to insinuate that I would have done a better job at something I've never had the opportunity to attempt myself. But then again, it'd all be wrapped up in The Quiet Game anyway, so how could either of us know? Soraya Xel wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: My biggest fear is that the current CPM simply aren't asking the hard questions and that they are only focused on the now. Worse yet, I fear that that is all CCP is allowing them to be. We'll never really know because it's all behind the curtains and there is yet to be a single person that's broken that mold. As you say, unfortunately, there's no way for us to show you. As for the subtle hint that someone should break the NDA, I am doubtful you'll find any takers there. Both because nobody wants the legal trouble, and because we care about the community, and we're aware that breaking the NDA would do severe harm to the CPM's ability to interact with CCP on the level that we do, and deliver player feedback in such a direct manner. Wasn't a "hint", subtle or otherwise, to break the NDA. Make no mistake about that. Now, the CPM coming out and saying, "Yes, we've asked about this", isn't - or rather, shouldn't be - a breach of NDA. To my knowledge there's no where that we [the community] can go to see what the CPM or CCP has asked about, let alone read, besides the forums. Having someway to know that we are being acknowledged is well within the capacity for CCP, something that they're pretty bad at and have a notoriety for being bad at, be it because of time management or what have you. It's also been something the community has asked for, repeatedly, since Closed Beta. We had some marked success with the 'weekly feedback updates"... which then became the bi-monthly updates... which then phased out of existence around Fanfest. In it's stead we have the Community Crowdsourcing Trello which seemed like a really cool olive branch that just went to waste. It's just another mock-up of the 'Features and Ideas Discussion' forum category in the same way that the Jita Speaker's Corner was on the Eve forums. It also has the same problem that we've had since Fanfest: We dunno what to submit ideas/feedback for. Legion is completely in the dark and the extent of the Dust 514 development is nebulous. Should we submit ideas that are low-hanging fruit, like small balancing tweaks, or are we completely open to the realm of fantasy and submit ideas like a legitimate Commander suit/role or Minmatar/Amarr vehicles? Even still, I wonder if it even matters as, again, there is no acknowledgement or responses given to either. How do we know that CCP has read them? How do we know that they're even plausible? What kind of game is CCP trying to make and what is the best feedback to give them to help them achieve that goal? Are the CPM asking -those- kinds of questions or are they resigned to just talking about what's in the next update? Are we even going to know whether or not those questions are being answered to begin with? Aeon's Links In an effort to be "positive" I will agree to everything CCP does.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14290	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:47:00 - [70] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Sorya im sure you are doing what you can. I actually have no problem with you as a cpm as at least you fecking talk to us =ƒÿå. However the wall of NDA will constantly undermine anything you say. We simple have no proof what you are saying is happening it's all just words. Their is simply noway for anyone to know what cpm doing and achieving. The idea of NDAs is antiquated EVE comp are both projects that hugely by their nature everyone knows what's happening and what's being developed and both those games have very strong core fanbase. NDAs only came about when video games where in their infancy and everyone was worried someone else would steal their idea. They are simply not needed anymore... unless your building junk games that don't work... i forgot what the original topic was a while back.....cpm need to show us what their actually doing...its all talk from some guy with tag at the moment NDA's are still widely used in the industry. They're everywhere, literally everywhere. Feline overlord of all humans Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave

Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7719	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:55:00 - [71] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: Sorya im sure you are doing what you can. I actually have no problem with you as a cpm as at least you fecking talk to us =ƒÿå. However the wall of NDA will constantly undermine anything you say. We simple have no proof what you are saying is happening it's all just words. Their is simply noway for anyone to know what cpm doing and achieving. The idea of NDAs is antiquated EVE comp are both projects that hugely by their nature everyone knows what's happening and what's being developed and both those games have very strong core fanbase. NDAs only came about when video games where in their infancy and everyone was worried someone else would steal their idea. They are simply not needed anymore... unless your building junk games that don't work... i forgot what the original topic was a while back.....cpm need to show us what their actually doing...its all talk from some guy with tag at the moment NDA's are still widely used in the industry. They're everywhere, literally everywhere. Yup. I'm under NDA for a justifiable reason (I work for a private military contractor that does maintenance for the Air Force). My mom? Under NDA for her job as well. She works at a uniform cleaning service. NDAs are everywhere, be it a justifiable reason or a really stupid one. Aeon's Links In an effort to be "positive" I will agree to everything CCP does.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3445	Posted - 2015.01.04 17:21:00 - [72] - Quote I was speaking in terms of gaming industry's =ƒÿå. God I'm under so many NDAS with my job I have to keep them in a binder in case compliance want to check iv signed it... My point was the idea of not shareing or sourcing ideas are constantly proven to lead to bad design or games people don't want to play. Hell even EA are opening up hardline was delayed based on player feedback and they tend to get focus groups in or at neutral play testers to try things out. Ccp does none of this the first we hear of idea is when it's about to hit live. Rattati (seems to be a outlier rather than company policy) I doubt it will be long before better studios make him better offers tbh. Tldr: yes NDA as a term is a thing don't take it out of context, my point hiding **** from your players always backfires CCP is losing group because it's comp better understand their products and their fanbase due to clean com lines. And even closed shops like EA get people in these days You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14291	Posted - 2015.01.04 17:32:00 - [73] - Quote I'm pretty sure I signed an NDA sometime, somewhere, at birth. Feline overlord of all humans Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5204	Posted - 2015.01.04 17:50:00 - [74] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: However the wall of NDA will constantly undermine anything you say. We simple have no proof what you are saying is happening it's all just words. Their is simply noway for anyone to know what cpm doing and achieving. There's a lot of things that they discuss with us that most certainly belong under the bounds of an NDA. Unfortunately, it's impossible to explain what those are without also breaking it. :/ What I can tell you is I do my best to be completely honest, and not mislead in any way. Aeon Amadi wrote: Should we submit ideas that are low-hanging fruit, like small balancing tweaks, or are we completely open to the realm of fantasy and submit ideas like a legitimate Commander suit/role or Minmatar/Amarr vehicles? Even still, I wonder if it even matters as, again, there is no acknowledgement or responses given to either. How do we know that CCP has read them? How do we know that they're even plausible? What kind of game is CCP trying to make and what is the best feedback to give them to help them achieve that goal? Answer is both. Bearing in mind that small low-hanging fruit can probably be added into releases already on the roadmap, whereas larger things would likely end up on a backlog for a future release, as they may take more resources than we have to devote to a side feature. Minmatar/Amarr vehicles, mind you, have already been discussed as possibly starting out as recolors of our existing vehicles so we can get them out with hotfix-level effort. The way it's intended to show you the Trello is being read is for Rattati's own Trello to be publicly visible, so people can see when issues or suggestions hit his personal radar. I know he said he was working on cleaning that up a bit so it was presentable, I will follow up with him on where progress is on that this week. Aeon Amadi wrote: Are the CPM asking -those- kinds of questions or are they resigned to just talking about what's in the next update? We ask a LOT of questions, both short-term and long-term. We've been scheduling meetings with CCP Rouge periodically to talk about the long-term future. Our meetings with CCP Rattati tend to be more of a short-term focus, though short-term may be even a few updates out in that context. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7723	Posted - 2015.01.04 18:36:00 - [75] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: However the wall of NDA will constantly undermine anything you say. We simple have no proof what you are saying is happening it's all just words. Their is simply noway for anyone to know what cpm doing and achieving. There's a lot of things that they discuss with us that most certainly belong under the bounds of an NDA. Unfortunately, it's impossible to explain what those are without also breaking it. :/ What I can tell you is I do my best to be completely honest, and not mislead in any way. Aeon Amadi wrote: Should we submit ideas that are low-hanging fruit, like small balancing tweaks, or are we completely open to the realm of fantasy and submit ideas like a legitimate Commander suit/role or Minmatar/Amarr vehicles? Even still, I wonder if it even matters as, again, there is no acknowledgement or responses given to either. How do we know that CCP has read them? How do we know that they're even plausible? What kind of game is CCP trying to make and what is the best feedback to give them to help them achieve that goal? Answer is both. Bearing in mind that small low-hanging fruit can probably be added into releases already on the roadmap, whereas larger things would likely end up on a backlog for a future release, as they may take more resources than we have to devote to a side feature. Minmatar/Amarr vehicles, mind you, have already been discussed as possibly starting out as recolors of our existing vehicles so we can get them out with hotfix-level effort. The way it's intended to show you the Trello is being read is for Rattati's own Trello to be publicly visible, so people can see when issues or suggestions hit his personal radar. I know he said he was working on cleaning that up a bit so it was presentable, I will follow up with him on where progress is on that this week. Aeon Amadi wrote: Are the CPM asking -those- kinds of questions or are they resigned to just talking about what's in the next update? We ask a LOT of questions, both short-term and long-term. We've been scheduling meetings with CCP Rouge periodically to talk about the long-term future. Our meetings with CCP Rattati tend to be more of a short-term focus, though short-term may be even a few updates out in that context. See, and that's all you had to say to reassure me and I'm a skeptical cynical **** by nature. Thank you for that. Aeon's Links In an effort to be "positive" I will agree to everything CCP does.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3445	Posted - 2015.01.04 20:40:00 - [76] - Quote could you at least say your meeting CCP just knowing meeting are happening would be better than nothing. hell even a discussing activity under NDA or game balance or something. i myself dont really care i play what ever is interesting me at the time im just looking to a game that finally makes me want to live in it :P. and i dont want it to be PS2 because i need down time too :P You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18185	Posted - 2015.01.04 21:26:00 - [77] - Quote The NDA has now mostly been for all the important parts removed from the Game Development of Dust 514 mostly; when you guys find out about something its only about on average a week after cpm finds out about it. What will NOT change is how the NDA covers the internal affairs of CCP and its Business; most of it doesn't need to be known but there are issues that CPM has identified as critical for public knowledge and we keep pressuring CCP to get it out. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3345	Posted - 2015.01.04 21:32:00 - [78] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: I think you misunderstand the CPM. They are supposed to be our voice to CCP, not the other way around. However, about 90% of Soraya's posts are defending CCP and why they aren't talking. He's not supposed to be a CCP apologist, it just gives the impression that the CPM are Shanghai's community rep team and little else. Its a poor focus of effort and it's a bad culture to be developing in a group like the CPM, I'm calling it where I see it. So, the problem is, you can't see us passing on your voice to CCP. Because it's behind closed doors. In blunt honesty, you have no ability to judge my job competency. (That's problematic in itself, which is a valid complaint. But criticism of my posts as somehow not doing my job are not.) Because my job is not to post publicly. What information I do my best to convey by correcting misinformation and such is extra. When you're too strung up in your own assumption of right that you miss broadside clues as to where things are, because you'd rather see me as spinning some marketing line as opposed to conveying my honest opinion as closely as I can within the confines of my limitations, it just says something about you. It doesnt matter if I have any ability to judge or not. You're on the CPM and you are open to public scrutiny as a result. Its true, no one can see what you guys do behind the NDA, that just makes it all the more important that you watch what you do say. If you're not up for it you shouldn't have run in the first place. So regardless of what you do behind the NDA, which, for all intents and purposes, is nothing as far as i'm concerned, What you do in front of the NDA is open for all to see and judge. In a situation like this thread, you come off as a CCP apologist trying to defend their actions. When the only response should have been something along the lines of "We've made them aware that people aren't happy about this and are pressuring them to share more" . But no, you gotta be all "trolly" because its fun and that's who you are. Well be aware that people read what you post.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3445	Posted - 2015.01.04 21:50:00 - [79] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The NDA has now mostly been for all the important parts removed from the Game Development of Dust 514 mostly; when you guys find out about something its only about on average a week after cpm finds out about it. What will NOT change is how the NDA covers the internal affairs of CCP and its Business; most of it doesn't need to be known but there are issues that CPM has identified as critical for public knowledge and we keep pressuring CCP to get it out. to be clear the internal affairs of CCP is their business and i agree with you their and also iv heard they have cleaned house and are looking a lot better internally. all im after is just what exactly is going on, even if thats a we don't no.... i dont even play dust any-more but im around because i love the EvE setting and legion/Valk could be the way i can finally take part in the EvE setting as im just bad at spaceships but can kill virtual people really good :P. sorry for the hard times we are giving the CPM over legion but its because we care and really want this freaking game :P You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5205	Posted - 2015.01.05 03:37:00 - [80] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: could you at least say your meeting CCP just knowing meeting are happening would be better than nothing. hell even a discussing activity under NDA or game balance or something. I actually do state on the Biomassed podcast weekly meetings we had during the week and who they were with. If I can, what we talked about. It really should've made it to the forums but it never did. (We also communicate with certain devs a LOT outside of formal meetings.) ZDub 303 wrote: But no, you gotta be all "trolly" because its fun and that's who you are. Well be aware that people read what you post. Perfectly happy to admit I try to entertain myself while taking on what is basically an unpaid second job revolving around a video game. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3446	Posted - 2015.01.05 06:45:00 - [81] - Quote Ah I don't load up the podcasts... been meaning too... i feel then the communication needs to communicated to the community better =ƒÿå but we are kicking a dead horse at this point Gÿ¦. You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
LOOKMOM NOHANDS Warpoint Sharx 293	Posted - 2015.03.19 14:26:00 - [82] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: It's not a 'silence game', so much as they're not at a point where they have something they can announce. It's been a year, Soraya. You mean that in a year there hasn't been any measurable progress on Legion? If so, that's ******* terrifying. If so, we'll have an alpha sometime in Q4 2019. WoD went like 8 years without even making it to beta before it got tossed in the can. Its good to see that the CPMs are on high alert to flock to any threads about what is said at fanfest.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3686	Posted - 2015.03.19 14:33:00 - [83] - Quote After last year I can see why they are on edge =ƒÿå You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance


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