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Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4868	Posted - 2014.11.29 19:27:00 - [1] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: An entire year after they announce ditching Dust 514 for a PC game that some of the current community may not even be able to play Does it feel like they have ditched DUST 514? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4869	Posted - 2014.11.29 19:53:00 - [2] - Quote Sigourney Reever wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: An entire year after they announce ditching Dust 514 for a PC game that some of the current community may not even be able to play Does it feel like they have ditched DUST 514? Yes, It feels like Dust514, the MMOFPS, deeply integrated within the EVE universe, has been ditched. Okay, I do feel your pain on that one, as I believe the biggest selling feature for DUST 514 is still a link to EVE. CCP's not against revisiting the EVE link, but they feel DUST (or Legion) needs to be a very good game independently first. (I think the EVE link will help it reach that point, IMHO.) But Uprising 1.9 would not have happened if DUST 514 had been ditched. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4869	Posted - 2014.11.29 20:11:00 - [3] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: They are still working on boots on the ground but its the incarna engine for eve players walking and fighting on planets/stations... for pure seemlessness with eve and valkyrie as shown in the prophecy trailer. Valkyrie is actually written in Unreal 4, so... CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5166	Posted - 2015.01.02 05:38:00 - [4] - Quote Mobius, I feel the people working on DUST have a long-term commitment to their players. I think we're all very well aware that the PS3 platform has a limited lifespan, but obviously CCP is not ready to announce anything more in that department at this time. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5167	Posted - 2015.01.02 14:46:00 - [5] - Quote The fact that CCP is smart enough to not be making a big deal at Fanfest this year is proof CCP has learned from the mistakes of the last two years of Fanfest. It's not a 'silence game', so much as they're not at a point where they have something they can announce. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5167	Posted - 2015.01.02 15:05:00 - [6] - Quote Just because there is nothing that can be announced doesn't mean it's not "measurable progress". CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5196	Posted - 2015.01.03 03:19:00 - [7] - Quote Aeon, it's not really possible for me to explain further within the limits of the NDA. Would if I could. :/ Thanks, DaReaper. I try and say as much as I can get away with. ;) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5204	Posted - 2015.01.04 08:22:00 - [8] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: I think you misunderstand the CPM. They are supposed to be our voice to CCP, not the other way around. However, about 90% of Soraya's posts are defending CCP and why they aren't talking. He's not supposed to be a CCP apologist, it just gives the impression that the CPM are Shanghai's community rep team and little else. Its a poor focus of effort and it's a bad culture to be developing in a group like the CPM, I'm calling it where I see it. So, the problem is, you can't see us passing on your voice to CCP. Because it's behind closed doors. In blunt honesty, you have no ability to judge my job competency. (That's problematic in itself, which is a valid complaint. But criticism of my posts as somehow not doing my job are not.) Because my job is not to post publicly. What information I do my best to convey by correcting misinformation and such is extra. When you're too strung up in your own assumption of right that you miss broadside clues as to where things are, because you'd rather see me as spinning some marketing line as opposed to conveying my honest opinion as closely as I can within the confines of my limitations, it just says something about you. steadyhand amarr wrote: i hardly doubt the CPM have any meaningful impact that could not be sourced by just straight up asking on the forums which is what rattia does and seems to be getting better results We work very closely with CCP Rattati on DUST development, and I'm very happy that at this point, the results are so public. That player feedback is being directly solicited and used for implementing development changes. However, there's also a wide class of topics CCP is unable or unwilling to broach with players in public. Some of those reasons are completely justified, and some of them are not. But the CPM is the process that ensures there are at least a limited amount of player feedback brought into those discussions. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5204	Posted - 2015.01.04 08:26:00 - [9] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Don't even get me started on this bullshit. The difference between the CPM in EVE and the CPM in Dust is pretty damn stark. We have had every indication so far that CCP Shanghai barely even listens to you all, and they clearly have you so bound up in NDAs that every time you try and say anything you just get labeled as apologists or ignored because you can't back up any of your statements. There's definite differences. Though in some ways I'd say we may even be more influential than the CSM is in EVE. It depends on the topic. There are, of course, things I am jealous of the CSM for, such as their two annual summits with publicly posted minutes (albeit with NDA redactions). Mobius Wyvern wrote: Why is the damn "Marketing Firewall" so thick?! You realize other developers are letting people see the earliest and most broken bits of their games and it's actually getting them more support? More players coming on board? That would be a question for the marketing department. Perhaps if those very open development processes yield very positive results, that will sway how CCP does business. Mobius Wyvern wrote: We have more transparency with the EVE development team than ever before, and the Dust development team can't even be bothered to produce DevBlogs about anything other than developer profiles. Actually, on the contrary, we have a development roadmap. EVE Online has never had such a thing, and holds back most discussion of what features they're working on next from the playerbase so that they can make large marketing reveals. Features are worked on for months before they get a dramatic reveal at Fanfest. Whereas we know about stuff that's going to be worked on in the near future. We're ahead of EVE in this regard. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5204	Posted - 2015.01.04 08:37:00 - [10] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: The CPM are incredibly powerful when implemented correctly. However, because we don't have anything like the CSM Minutes that Eve Online has (basically a giant transcript of the conversations that the CSM and CCP have during their bi-yearly meetings) we can't even provide civilian oversight of our elected representatives, something that I was going to press hard for had I been elected because it ties in with that whole "Community First" approach I had going on but c'est la vie. I share your pain on this item. CSM's two annual summits with minutes are extremely valuable, and definitely something it is unfortunate the CPM doesn't have to show for at the moment. Aeon Amadi wrote: The problem with the current CPM, I find, is that they - from an outsider's view - appear to have issue prioritizing things that will benefit us in the long run. I personally think that the current CPM, as well as CCP, are playing checkers when they should be playing chess. In essence, they're clouded by the tunnel vision of the now rather than focusing on the things that are going to matter later. This is an amateur's theory, mind you, as I know just as much as the next guy in the community. There's somewhat of a balancing act in both providing frameworks for later, and solid long-term plans, as well as ensuring enough is coming that's urgently needed in the now to keep the game going strong. Aeon Amadi wrote: But, consider the fact that we have yet to have any sort of drive for further community interaction by the CPM (third-party dev support, volunteer programs, etc). Apart from white-tagged (CPM made) consolidated threads asking for specialized feedback, there isn't much in the way of actually -INVOLVING- the community. This could either be because the correct questions aren't being asked by the CPM, CCP is stonewalling, or it legitimately cannot be done at current and we're simply not being informed of such. The latter is equally as dangerous as without being informed of such we continue to provide feedback on something that just isn't going to happen in the near future. Third-party dev support is basically entirely reliant on CREST. You might've noticed there's been a lot of work done on it by CCP FoxFour in the last few months, but it's still very far from what either EVE or DUST needs. And yes, I do ask you to bear in mind, not to assume any additional success you would make if you were in our shoes, because you aren't. And in some cases, you wouldn't. Also, please bear in mind that I do support these objectives, and ask about things like the ISD when possible. Sometimes things are not possible, and the reasons why are not public. Sometimes things are not possible, and we tell people why they aren't possible, and we still hear requests for them over a year later anyways. One particular challenge that has come up for me at this point once or twice is forgetting which answers were NDA, and which weren't, and having to err on the side of caution. Aeon Amadi wrote: My biggest fear is that the current CPM simply aren't asking the hard questions and that they are only focused on the now. Worse yet, I fear that that is all CCP is allowing them to be. We'll never really know because it's all behind the curtains and there is yet to be a single person that's broken that mold. As you say, unfortunately, there's no way for us to show you. As for the subtle hint that someone should break the NDA, I am doubtful you'll find any takers there. Both because nobody wants the legal trouble, and because we care about the community, and we're aware that breaking the NDA would do severe harm to the CPM's ability to interact with CCP on the level that we do, and deliver player feedback in such a direct manner. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5204	Posted - 2015.01.04 17:50:00 - [11] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: However the wall of NDA will constantly undermine anything you say. We simple have no proof what you are saying is happening it's all just words. Their is simply noway for anyone to know what cpm doing and achieving. There's a lot of things that they discuss with us that most certainly belong under the bounds of an NDA. Unfortunately, it's impossible to explain what those are without also breaking it. :/ What I can tell you is I do my best to be completely honest, and not mislead in any way. Aeon Amadi wrote: Should we submit ideas that are low-hanging fruit, like small balancing tweaks, or are we completely open to the realm of fantasy and submit ideas like a legitimate Commander suit/role or Minmatar/Amarr vehicles? Even still, I wonder if it even matters as, again, there is no acknowledgement or responses given to either. How do we know that CCP has read them? How do we know that they're even plausible? What kind of game is CCP trying to make and what is the best feedback to give them to help them achieve that goal? Answer is both. Bearing in mind that small low-hanging fruit can probably be added into releases already on the roadmap, whereas larger things would likely end up on a backlog for a future release, as they may take more resources than we have to devote to a side feature. Minmatar/Amarr vehicles, mind you, have already been discussed as possibly starting out as recolors of our existing vehicles so we can get them out with hotfix-level effort. The way it's intended to show you the Trello is being read is for Rattati's own Trello to be publicly visible, so people can see when issues or suggestions hit his personal radar. I know he said he was working on cleaning that up a bit so it was presentable, I will follow up with him on where progress is on that this week. Aeon Amadi wrote: Are the CPM asking -those- kinds of questions or are they resigned to just talking about what's in the next update? We ask a LOT of questions, both short-term and long-term. We've been scheduling meetings with CCP Rouge periodically to talk about the long-term future. Our meetings with CCP Rattati tend to be more of a short-term focus, though short-term may be even a few updates out in that context. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5205	Posted - 2015.01.05 03:37:00 - [12] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: could you at least say your meeting CCP just knowing meeting are happening would be better than nothing. hell even a discussing activity under NDA or game balance or something. I actually do state on the Biomassed podcast weekly meetings we had during the week and who they were with. If I can, what we talked about. It really should've made it to the forums but it never did. (We also communicate with certain devs a LOT outside of formal meetings.) ZDub 303 wrote: But no, you gotta be all "trolly" because its fun and that's who you are. Well be aware that people read what you post. Perfectly happy to admit I try to entertain myself while taking on what is basically an unpaid second job revolving around a video game. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

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