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Bare in mind, we are not trying to min-max a fitting sometimes. We are also trying to expose a new player to a race's weaponry. The ACR hints at the Minmatar's high RoF weaponry while the flaylock denotes their tendency to favor things that go boom (mass driver, for example).

Why not give the medic or one of the variants a militia mass driver?

The suits need not be identical.

What I think for CALDARI :

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vSklbYFfcb0ZITtBws_BhGucnC4WjdnR3-cLu29LufI/edit#gid=0

Thoughts ?

Tiericide would be interesting and probably great for the game, but it's not happening in the near future as far as we can tell. If it does happen it won't be until Legion, more than likely.

That being said, the focus of this thread is to work with what we have: starter fittings.

Explain something to me, why does the Amarr logi need to be special? It is the only logi to receive a sidearm. That causes some odd balancing issues. Imagine if only the Gallente Assault received two light weapons instead of a light and a sidearm... wouldn't that be strange and kind of silly?

I don't want to derail the thread too much. If you want to reply in-game that's fine by me.

Depends. Tanks were tiericided and they've never been more boring and uninspired. It's a great buzzword that... but doesn't always work in practice.

Here is my suggestion.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/t_t50nnaSSgBu9CD0D7gLaQ/htmlview

Take away that needle from the medic and give him a damn rep tool already.

Can't view it. Make the doc available to anyone with the link and I'll check it out. Also, I have updated my doc with potential light fittings titled 'Recon'.

Agree on everything except the removal of the Sniper fit.
So long as Sniper rifles are in the game, newbs should be aware of them, and how to use them.

Removing it serves no objective purpose.

Let them fall back on it when they're in over their head in a match.

They need to save all the isk they can in the beginning.

A new player's first experience playing Dust 514 should be with the starter fittings. The 'Frontline' fitting is meant to offer a view of a race's tanking style and weapon choices. For half of these dropsuits, this is true. For the other half... not so much.

Current starter fitting scenarios in a handy Google doc...

Special thanks to One Eyed King, Edgar Reinhart, and Joseph Ridgeson for getting me the 'Medic' fittings while I was trapped at work.

Updated docu with a new tab: 'Recon' starter fitting for light dropsuits.

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The Minmatar frontline starter fitting currently features three high slots, zero low slots; two shield extenders and one shield recharger. Minmatar in Dust 514 use a hybrid tanking style coupled with their innate walk/sprint speed advantages and hellish stamina regeneration.

Frontline A has the extender and recharger suggesting the shield tanking preference of the Minmatar. None of the modules reduce the speed of the dropsuit which is paramount on Minmatar fittings. The armor repairer allows the Minmatar to disengage from a fire fight, repair to 100% armor, then re-engage the enemy quicker.

In Frontline B, replacing the repairer with the reactive plate will allow for a tiny bit more eHP while still leaving the walk/sprint speed untouched. Since there is no militia version of this module, I'm not certain it can be placed in a starter fitting or not.

Rattati is currently experimenting with strafe speed penalties being added to HP modules (extenders and armor plates). Removing one of the extenders will lessen the blow to this dropsuit's strafe speed if that change goes live.

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Amarr tanking style favors massive amounts of armor HP coupled with resistances. For some ungodly reason, the Amarr frontline fitting features two high slots and zero lows; two shield extenders... the polar opposite of what you would expect from a slow, brick armor tanking dropsuit. The Amarr frontline fitting is missing a slot as well.

Frontline A emphasizes the Amarr armor tanking doctrine. High slots are removed altogether, as literally every other Amarr dropsuit features more lows than highs.

The Frontline B allows the new player to retain walk/sprint speed. The removal of the armor repairer keeps this dropsuit from infringing on the Gallente's tanking style. Again, since ferroscale plates are not available in a militia form, this may not be possible.

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The Minmatar 'Medic' fitting features the 3H/0L design; shield extender, shield recharger, and... this can't be right... can it? A myofibril stimulant. Yes, because when I think of a medic I imagine someone punching a hostile in the face /s

In Support A the extender sticks around to add HP and the armor repairer is added for the same reasons detailed above. The precision enhancer may allow a new player to spot hostile threats before needling a downed ally.

Support B is similar, but swaps the armor repairer for a reactive plate. The extra armor HP could be the different between surviving a run across enemy fire to needle an ally or not.

Finally, exchange the plasma rifle with the militia assault combat rifle.

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I support both the removal of the 'Sniper' starter fitting as well as the renaming of 'Medic' to 'Support'.

Thank you for reading and I welcome any feedback. I personally do not fit Minmatar dropsuits so suggestions in fitting their starter fitting would be appreciated.

Please keep in mind that these fittings are intended to teach a new player how a race should fit their dropsuit, not the current metagame.

tired, can't be arsed to read, but why the *#%&* has the amarr starter fits got 2 highs 150 shields and 300 Armour - but no space for a rep......useless bro