DUST Search - Where are the Forge Guns?

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Sir Dukey wrote:

Forgeguns were replaced by swarms.

Reason: Forgeguns require skill, swarms do not. Swarms are just as if not more effective as well .

I warned everyone. But the AV babies cried that they couldn't solo the world with a no skill weapon.

Who ever said swarms require no skill is just fooling themselves , other infantry , ADS's , DS's , HAV's and there pilots , drive by LAV's with multiple jump out's , Scout's , Commando's and stationary turrets are all pointed at swarmer's .

You have to wait for the lock-on , have position , track the vehicle and not loose it , also readjust your positioning so your not surprised by infantry as well as vehicles .

You people are silly that keep calling swarms , " No-Skill " .... your easily the ones that don't use them enough because if you did you would know better .

It doesn't matter how much you have in them and what you claim , the fact that you down play the risks leaves one to question if you actually know what your talking about .

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Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 278	Posted - 2014.11.24 02:10:00 - [1] - Quote I remember when it took a Forge gun and the ability to do more then look at a dropship to kill it and Swarm Launchers were the surefire way to get ADS pilots off your back for a moment. When Forge Guns were the AV weapon of choice pilots still existed, now you see maybe one every 4-5 matches since Swarms took over and they are killed in 4 minutes if you are an optimist of the match starting. Kill the Swarm Launcher while you still can! Now Forge Guns are just manly sniper rifles for those times you really want to kill one person. The State will always survive.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1129	Posted - 2014.11.24 02:17:00 - [2] - Quote Forgeguns were replaced by swarms. Chocolate Juice
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14969	Posted - 2014.11.24 02:22:00 - [3] - Quote I love how when its something that affects DS and ADS its a problem...... but if it were HAV then it would be fair game... I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 278	Posted - 2014.11.24 02:22:00 - [4] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Forgeguns were replaced by swarms. Reason: Forgeguns require skill, swarms do not. Swarms are just as if not more effective as well . They shouldn't be equal to or greater then a Forge Gun. Needing to aim and chase one down with a heavy required skill and not just some random guy with any suit but some random guy with a Sentinel or Basic Heavy suit. The State will always survive.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5051	Posted - 2014.11.24 02:33:00 - [5] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Forgeguns were replaced by swarms. Reason: Forgeguns require skill, swarms do not. Swarms are just as if not more effective as well . I warned everyone. But the AV babies cried that they couldn't solo the world with a no skill weapon. It's my fault FA exists. Direct your rage to me.
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 278	Posted - 2014.11.24 02:52:00 - [6] - Quote Swarms deserve to be a nuisance at best while Forges should be the killer. The State will always survive.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6035	Posted - 2014.11.24 02:59:00 - [7] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Forgeguns were replaced by swarms. Reason: Forgeguns require skill, swarms do not. Swarms are just as if not more effective as well . I warned everyone. But the AV babies cried that they couldn't solo the world with a no skill weapon. Actually it was tankers who complained that Dropships were too much of a hastle because they tended to make it nearly impossible for an HAV to survive in the open. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1130	Posted - 2014.11.24 03:04:00 - [8] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Forgeguns were replaced by swarms. Reason: Forgeguns require skill, swarms do not. Swarms are just as if not more effective as well . I warned everyone. But the AV babies cried that they couldn't solo the world with a no skill weapon. Actually it was tankers who complained that Dropships were too much of a hastle because they tended to make it nearly impossible for an HAV to survive in the open. Tanks can two shot DS with a railgun. I put on 3 complex dmg mods on my particle cannon and I take almost 60-70% HP away from DS. A followup shot a second later=dead 500k isk ADS. Chocolate Juice
G Felix 226	Posted - 2014.11.24 03:28:00 - [9] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Swarms deserve to be a nuisance at best while Forges should be the killer. I think you're not too far off the mark here. Swarms seem like they really should be more of a vehicle "Deterrent" with FG's being the more lethal threat. That being said, there are still some VERY dangerous forge gunners out there that put swarm users to shame. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1307	Posted - 2014.11.24 03:37:00 - [10] - Quote I run both swarms and FG but I play mostly swarms now. Why? Because to play effectively, and not be a rooftop camper, you need mobility and independence. I can't run to where I need to be in a fat suit and I don't have hives on a fat suit. If I play FG, I spend most of the match running around looking for ammo. Using swarms requires very little skill, using swarms and killing your target takes just as much skill as using a FG. Aiming is a skill, but it dies not define skill. Because, that's why.

Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2014.11.24 04:30:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I love how when its something that affects DS and ADS its a problem...... but if it were HAV then it would be fair game... I don't often tank, but when I do, it's for a few minutes before I see 3 swarmers and a jihad LAV. Sky whale mating rituals!! Go home Damage Indicator, you're drunk Good, good... let the nanites flow through you
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 545	Posted - 2014.11.24 05:26:00 - [12] - Quote Its scrub 514, even plasma cannons are more viable on the battlefield than forge guns.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2774	Posted - 2014.11.24 05:40:00 - [13] - Quote Yeah, no, I can take out any ADS with an IAFK with my pair of C-Dmods if I have a steady hand, afterburners be royally damned I'll still kill the bastard, and with the MASSIVE critical bonus forges have against engine blocks I'll curbstomb HAV pilots just fine... Seriously, hybrids such as Railguns against shielded engine blocks have 90% efficiency and 112% against engine block and bottom, Forge Guns have 90% body, 112% bottom and 168% engine block. Kablewy. It's all about positioning, skill and steady hands. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5057	Posted - 2014.11.24 07:37:00 - [14] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Forgeguns were replaced by swarms. Reason: Forgeguns require skill, swarms do not. Swarms are just as if not more effective as well . I warned everyone. But the AV babies cried that they couldn't solo the world with a no skill weapon. Actually it was tankers who complained that Dropships were too much of a hastle because they tended to make it nearly impossible for an HAV to survive in the open. I don't recall the tankers asking for swarms to get a buff. It's my fault FA exists. Direct your rage to me.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1466	Posted - 2014.11.24 10:05:00 - [15] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Forgeguns were replaced by swarms. Reason: Forgeguns require skill, swarms do not. Swarms are just as if not more effective as well . I warned everyone. But the AV babies cried that they couldn't solo the world with a no skill weapon. Who ever said swarms require no skill is just fooling themselves , other infantry , ADS's , DS's , HAV's and there pilots , drive by LAV's with multiple jump out's , Scout's , Commando's and stationary turrets are all pointed at swarmer's . You have to wait for the lock-on , have position , track the vehicle and not loose it , also readjust your positioning so your not surprised by infantry as well as vehicles . You people are silly that keep calling swarms , " No-Skill " .... your easily the ones that don't use them enough because if you did you would know better . It doesn't matter how much you have in them and what you claim , the fact that you down play the risks leaves one to question if you actually know what your talking about . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1466	Posted - 2014.11.24 10:09:00 - [16] - Quote Forge Guns are fine , you probably don't see many because there are more assault players running around and still more people using scouts . Just because you don't see them doesn't mean that there not out there . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Blueprint For Murder Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 401	Posted - 2014.11.24 10:24:00 - [17] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Forgeguns were replaced by swarms. Reason: Forgeguns require skill, swarms do not. Swarms are just as if not more effective as well . I would say it has more to do with slot req., speed, and jump. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
The Master Race Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 401	Posted - 2014.11.24 10:24:00 - [18] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Forgeguns were replaced by swarms. Reason: Forgeguns require skill, swarms do not. Swarms are just as if not more effective as well . I would say it has more to do with slot req., speed, and jump. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Pepperoni NiPPles PePPer0nI NiPPle Circus 0	Posted - 2014.11.24 10:35:00 - [19] - Quote the forge needs its splash damage back!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1466	Posted - 2014.11.24 11:01:00 - [20] - Quote Pepperoni NiPPles wrote: the forge needs its splash damage back! You have the assaults for that . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .

boba's fetta Dead Man's Game RUST415 824	Posted - 2014.11.24 11:05:00 - [21] - Quote My commando can't carry a forge.
Duke Noobiam The-Devil's-Rejects 268	Posted - 2014.11.24 11:44:00 - [22] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Forgeguns were replaced by swarms. Reason: Forgeguns require skill, swarms do not. Swarms are just as if not more effective as well . They shouldn't be equal to or greater then a Forge Gun. Needing to aim and chase one down with a heavy required skill and not just some random guy with any suit but some random guy with a Sentinel or Basic Heavy suit. Well swarms can only be used against vehicles whereas forge guns can also be used against infantry. BPO dropsuits owned: Sever M-1 logi, Quafe M-1 assault, Quafe M-1 scout, Raven C-1 assault, Dragonfly G-1 scout
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 177	Posted - 2014.11.24 12:22:00 - [23] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Forgeguns were replaced by swarms. Reason: Forgeguns require skill, swarms do not. Swarms are just as if not more effective as well . I warned everyone. But the AV babies cried that they couldn't solo the world with a no skill weapon. Who ever said swarms require no skill is just fooling themselves , other infantry , ADS's , DS's , HAV's and there pilots , drive by LAV's with multiple jump out's , Scout's , Commando's and stationary turrets are all pointed at swarmer's . You have to wait for the lock-on , have position , track the vehicle and not loose it , also readjust your positioning so your not surprised by infantry as well as vehicles . You people are silly that keep calling swarms , " No-Skill " .... your easily the ones that don't use them enough because if you did you would know better . It doesn't matter how much you have in them and what you claim , the fact that you down play the risks leaves one to question if you actually know what your talking about . you do realise that everybody else has to watch out for the enemy as well? except they have the burden of aiming to deal with at the same time
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1543	Posted - 2014.11.24 12:53:00 - [24] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Forgeguns were replaced by swarms. Reason: Forgeguns require skill, swarms do not. Swarms are just as if not more effective as well . I warned everyone. But the AV babies cried that they couldn't solo the world with a no skill weapon. Actually it was tankers who complained that Dropships were too much of a hastle because they tended to make it nearly impossible for an HAV to survive in the open. No, there has been hardly any complains like that. Skilled HAV operators hunt dropships. Have done ever after the reign of small msl launcers of November 2012 when it was the other way around. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 13915	Posted - 2014.11.24 13:13:00 - [25] - Quote Given how most 1v1s I've been in against ADSs have involved them shooting missiles at me, I can safely say that it requires more than simply "looking" at the ADS to destroy it. Though I find that ironic because to kill an Infantry with Missiles, you don't actually aim but rotate the nose of the ADS. Which, also means that you only kill them by looking at them and pressing R1 repeatedly. Sir Dukey wrote: Forgeguns were replaced by swarms. Reason: Forgeguns require skill, swarms do not. Swarms are just as if not more effective as well . Swarms require many skills, such as positioning, preparation, timing, situational awareness, flight path predictions, enemy movement path predictions, etc. Though given how you find ADSs to be UP along with Scouts, I'm 95% sure that you're to terrible of a player to assess skill and it's perquisites. That aside, the actual reason why SLs are more common than FGs is because the amount of suits that can use FGs vs those that can only use SLs are 2:7. Obviously people are going to invest into Swarms for AV as opposed to grinding for a new Dropsuit that they'll only use a few times. Not that it matters. Gunnlogies and Pythons are far more common than their armored counterparts, yet do you see Swarmers and Forgers crying about it? No? Then HTFU. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 13915	Posted - 2014.11.24 13:16:00 - [26] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: you do realise that everybody else has to watch out for the enemy as well? except they have the burden of aiming to deal with at the same time That "everybody" includes Swarmers so his point still stands. Though nobody using anything other than a FG/PLC/FLP/SR/MD or H/LAV turret has to worry about the "burden" of aiming as they have Aim Assist to do it for them. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 177	Posted - 2014.11.24 13:23:00 - [27] - Quote So the missile launcher is getting target reticle that fills half the screen? or missiles that lock onto the target? So long as you don't act like you're chasing a balloon swarm launchers are easy mode
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1469	Posted - 2014.11.24 13:26:00 - [28] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: you do realise that everybody else has to watch out for the enemy as well? except they have the burden of aiming to deal with at the same time You do realize that the only suit that one could actually defend themselves in while swarming is a Commando suit and not too many side arms can take out a sentinel with a HMG unless your using NK's in a min scout suit and then you still have to worry about range because a swarm can't kill infantry . What your taking about is a given , while swarming in anything other then a Commando is risky and that's still not a given . Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
Juno Tristan Obscure Reference 177	Posted - 2014.11.24 13:36:00 - [29] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: you do realise that everybody else has to watch out for the enemy as well? except they have the burden of aiming to deal with at the same time You do realize that the only suit that one could actually defend themselves in while swarming is a Commando suit and not too many side arms can take out a sentinel with a HMG unless your using NK's in a min scout suit and then you still have to worry about range because a swarm can't kill infantry . What your taking about is a given , while swarming in anything other then a Commando is risky and that's still not a given . Excluding the commando the best suit to use the swarm launcher is the scout suit, use stealth to get into position and ambush your target If you see a heavy you run away using your speed, stealth and scanning plus sidearms are pretty good these days, combine a flux grenade (because also AV) with a flaylock and you're in business
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 281	Posted - 2014.11.24 13:59:00 - [30] - Quote Within four matches of unlocking the ADV Swarm Launcher I killed two dropships, three LAV, and a Soma with four basic damage mods on a Caldari Assault. The State will always survive.



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