The caldari scout is a great assault suit as I recall. Just tank shields, blap, cover, blap. Oh yeah strafe, and regen in between there.

You don't need to use the cloak...

Caldari scout is no longer meant to be used as a scout. They nefred the scout aspect and now everybody is using it brick tanked and a few still taking advantage of the OP shotgun.

>says shotgun is op
>hasn't tried the shotgun on any other suit besides the scout(cloaked apparently)

Maybe you're right, we should nerf the caldari scout to force them into the terrible scouts they are!

#burnitalldown

Caldari scout is no longer meant to be used as a scout. They nefred the scout aspect and now everybody is using it brick tanked and a few still taking advantage of the OP shotgun.

I don't understand why they took away their precision.

Caldari scouts gave up potential shield extenders (Main tank) which means they had to give up something to get something else. The Amarr scout isn't giving up crap other than shield extenders but who shield tanks a Amarr scout? That is a disgrace to the empress. Damage mods yeah but they aren't that good. AM scout main tank is in lows. All is good.

and fyi - if this is your preferred method of playing, then the natural consequence of better eyes is a weaker suit. You weren't meant to win many confrontations. You just want an OP suit.

You either scan or you kill. You either cloak or you kill. You either cloak, scan, or kill. You're saying giving you two out of three of those would make things right for you.

The only class who should QQ is the assaults - the commando class ****** them, as they should of had the dual wield light weapons and commandos should of never existed. Assaults can barely fulfill there role better then scouts - and tbh, with hit boxes, you're better off playing assault with a scout suit.

And the shield tanking caladari scouts with RE's? Probably one of the most annoying things on the field. Especially ones walking around with those damn assault RR :(

Scout seriously has no role what so ever. You can be EWAR but you don't get jack for doing EWAR. I don't see +15 intel kill assists popping up when I run ewar. EWAR isn't a viable way of profiting alone. Also, there is no reason why CCP took away passive scans from scouts. No good reason at least. It has just caused a up roar of brick tanked scouts, 70% of caldari scouts are now above 400 shields. Also commandos are sh*t compared to assault. My Caldari ADV assault can get more HP than a minmatar heavy.

Scout seriously has no role what so ever. You can be EWAR but you don't get jack for doing EWAR. I don't see +15 intel kill assists popping up when I run ewar. EWAR isn't a viable way of profiting alone. Also, there is no reason why CCP took away passive scans from scouts. No good reason at least. It has just caused a up roar of brick tanked scouts, 70% of caldari scouts are now above 400 shields. Also commandos are sh*t compared to assault. My Caldari ADV assault can get more HP than a minmatar heavy.

No they didn't, the bonus was passive so if you wanted to shield tank you could still see any suit without damps that isn't a gal scout from good double digit range away. Not to mention the monster regen that the cal scout had/has.

Edit: If I can fit a weapon on my medium suit it should be viable. Genius...

Passive scans I won't argue, as I agree, that was dumb. CCP really should give +5 at least to intel kills from people not in your squad as well when you do scan.

Specced into caldari scout for precision-

CCP: gets taken away and given to Gallante and Amarr

Fine, at least I can scan people from far.

CCP: Makes it so you cannot scan a heavy standing right behind you when cloak activated.

Fine, I'll live with it, I can still defend my self when I accidentally run into some one.

CCP: Add the delay to cloak so when a cloak user runs into a player he cannot defend himself.

Thanks CCP- You made scouts in general blind so now they run into herds of players because they don't know where the F they are going, then you made it so that there is 1 sec delay (1sec is equivalent to 450 damage from average weapon, and 800 damage from an HMG) so now they cannot defend themselves when they accidentally run into a pile of reds.

It makes perfect sense that a caldari scout (The king of scans) cannot scan a mofo heavy 3m behind him even with 2.5 million SP invested into the suit itself and another 1 million into range extenders.

Request: Give us back one of our balls. You took two and now we have none. Either give us back passive scans while cloaked or remove the delay.

P.S. the delay was an attempt to nerf shotgun, but it went in the other direction.

CCP: Shotgun is OP, let's nerf the cloak.

# CCP logic.

shotgun is fine.. however when its combiend with scout and/or cloak it becomes a problem.. the MAIN problem of the sg is scouts.. and the problem with cloak is shotgun..

ps.. Mmmm Mmmm your tears.. they are nourishment to me.

The bonus passive isn't good enough, one enhanced dampeners and every scout and their mother could get under the scans. You HAD to have a precision enhancer or two to catch those scouts which means giving up shields. The passives didn't DO the job, they helped. Now there is no reason to use Precision enhancers on a Caldari scout, you need 3 precision enhancers to catch one caldari or gallante scout with one complex dampener. Also, forget using precision enhancers, the cloak destroys the purpose of range extenders and precision enhancers. One complex range extender will get you like 1-2m more range while cloaked.

Edit response: No it shouldn't without sacrifices, there are specific play styles to every suit. If you want you can go ahead and use a shotgun on an assault suit but you will have fit it like a scout with dampening, a weapon that requires you to be within 10m of an enemy cannot be fitted on a suit the enemy can see from 100m away (scanners). I can put a SG on my min assault and it is viable and I get quite a few kills with it.

You literally just said E-war isn't worth a damn, and you turn around and complain that it wasn't enough to see other undampened suits. If you have issues with the cloak and your range, then don't use it.

And that's complete horsepucky about how passive passive scans didn't do the job. I calculated them myself and found that without any precision enhancers the bonus gives you as low as 27db at proto.

"Quite a few kills" does not imply any balance, I got "Quite a few kills" with the post nerf RR. I got "Quite a few kills," with the pre-buffed plasma cannon. You're also forgetting that scouts do completely fine with rifles, without having to change their fittings, I should know. So apparently it's fine that my scout does wonders with all guns, but my assault can't do the same.

#justskillintothenextfotmfoo

It's always fun to see a Caldari Scout cry, it's almost like watching the Caldari Logi cry it's not a slayer anymore, or the Rail Riflers that they aren't the most OP thing anymore, or Pythons complaining they can't butcher people faster then they can look up.

Funny thing is - just a year ago everyone complained CCP must be Caldari Loyalist because the only things worth using were Caldari and the HMG. Lol

You literally just said E-war isn't worth a damn, and you turn around and complain that it wasn't enough to see other undampened suits. If you have issues with the cloak and your range, then don't use it.

And that's complete horsepucky about how passive passive scans didn't do the job. I calculated them myself and found that without any precision enhancers the bonus gives you as low as 27db at proto while with proto base e-war the SCOUT(excluding the gal) gets 32 base profile. Just imagine the rest of the frames with even worse base stats.

"Quite a few kills" does not imply any balance, I got "Quite a few kills" with the post nerf RR. I got "Quite a few kills," with the pre-buffed plasma cannon. You're also forgetting that scouts do completely fine with rifles, without having to change their fittings, I should know. So apparently it's fine that my scout does wonders with all guns, but my assault can't do the same.

#justskillintothenextfotmfoo

If you think the CalScout is bad today, you won't very much like what's coming tomorrow.

Why? what is coming tomorrow?

EWAR was killed by cloaks but the micro-argument was about passive skills. Also, quite a few kills=I did perfectly fine with it. Also, Assault can do wonders with all guns, you are just bad. You're the type of scrub the probably tries to put a SG on a suit with no damps, no speed, no ewar. You have to learn how to fit stuff to make it worth a damn.

P.S. my SG heavy actually works wonders due to the fact it can tank HP ( 950 ish) and is running 6.9 m/s and hidden from all without precision enhancers except scouts. It's a throw away fit. Some weapons suit some suits better than others. You don't normally see suits other than Amarr Assault going try hard with the ScR because ScR is better on Amarr Assault than it is on the Caldari. Just like CR is better on MinAssault than it is on other suits. Stop being a scrub.

Also- with your logic-you could say stop using small blasters if you can't do good with them. Even though they are UP. With your logic, you insist on not using UP stuff. Well my logic says lets Buff the UP stuff and make actually good. Cloak right now is terrible and if you are a paperthin ewar scout you would understand. Cloak seriously needs that range back.

Example: repair tools are mean to repair armor normally logi heavies. Imagine that when repairs are on your heavy, your total HP goes to 50%. Not only is that counter productive, it is just stupid. A heavy without a ton of HP because they equipment "made" for it is being used. This is just like scouts, scouts are mean to be scouts as in scan stuff but the equipment made for scouts is counter productive of the role.

Tree the example isn't very good but with a little bit of brain power you might understand.

Specced into caldari scout for precision-

CCP: gets taken away and given to Gallante and Amarr

Fine, at least I can scan people from far.

CCP: Makes it so you cannot scan a heavy standing right behind you when cloak activated.

Fine, I'll live with it, I can still defend my self when I accidentally run into some one.

CCP: Add the delay to cloak so when a cloak user runs into a player he cannot defend himself.

Thanks CCP- You made scouts in general blind so now they run into herds of players because they don't know where the F they are going, then you made it so that there is 1 sec delay (1sec is equivalent to 450 damage from average weapon, and 800 damage from an HMG) so now they cannot defend themselves when they accidentally run into a pile of reds.

It makes perfect sense that a caldari scout (The king of scans) cannot scan a mofo heavy 3m behind him even with 2.5 million SP invested into the suit itself and another 1 million into range extenders.

Request: Give us back one of our balls. You took two and now we have none. Either give us back passive scans while cloaked or remove the delay.

P.S. the delay was an attempt to nerf shotgun, but it went in the other direction.

CCP: Shotgun is OP, let's nerf the cloak.

# CCP logic.