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Sir Dukey wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

Sir Dukey wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

Sir Dukey wrote:

*runs in front of a breach AR for one millisecond, loses all 480 shields*

Does it get anymore OP?

Yes, yes it does.

Why is it ok for a RR/CR/ScR to melt through 700+ armour from 9 meters away?

1. RR is terrible in CQC
2. ScR has overheat
3. Combat rifle and other projectiles is so bad against shields that you probably wont live long enough to get to the armor

BAR on the other hand is good at killing armor and shield. A little too good.

RR and ARR both work fine in CQC. All ARs are awful at long range.
The ScR still works fine in CQC and has better hipfire then any AR.
The CR and ACR both work fine vs shields especially with the high RoF and nearly no kick.

The AR and BAR both share a optimal with the HMG which is the CQC King, what the hell is the point of the AR if it can't do well in CQC?

What game do you play? the Bar optimal is near 50.

with RR kick you can't even kill a AFK player 10m in front of you. ARR is ok.
CR and ACR heave terrible hit detection with shields especially the ACR. The Burst CR is just terrible with the fact even a little bit of lag and your DPS goes way down to a point where my grandma's cane has higher DPS. ScR is good where it is at. AR needs buff. TAC AR is good, burst IDK but breach is definitely OP.

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Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1091	Posted - 2014.11.22 17:36:00 - [1] - Quote runs in front of a breach AR for one millisecond, loses all 480 shields Does it get anymore OP?
Songs of Seraphim Murphys-Law 71	Posted - 2014.11.22 17:52:00 - [2] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: runs in front of a breach AR for one millisecond, loses all 480 shields Does it get anymore OP? Not OP, but it's funny taking down heavies in PC with it. It's sad when you take down heavies AND their logi... Raging alcoholic. I play in a pink suit because it's the fabulous thing to do.
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4120	Posted - 2014.11.22 17:53:00 - [3] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: runs in front of a breach AR for one millisecond, loses all 480 shields Does it get anymore OP? Yes, yes it does. Why is it ok for a RR/CR/ScR to melt through 700+ armour from 9 meters away? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1093	Posted - 2014.11.22 18:03:00 - [4] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: runs in front of a breach AR for one millisecond, loses all 480 shields Does it get anymore OP? Yes, yes it does. Why is it ok for a RR/CR/ScR to melt through 700+ armour from 9 meters away? 1. RR is terrible in CQC 2. ScR has overheat 3. Combat rifle and other projectiles is so bad against shields that you probably wont live long enough to get to the armor BAR on the other hand is good at killing armor and shield. A little too good.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 5161	Posted - 2014.11.22 18:07:00 - [5] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: 3. Combat rifle and other projectiles is so bad against shields that you probably wont live long enough to get to the armor . Lol wut? It does -5% shields +10% armor Bojo For CPM
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 889	Posted - 2014.11.22 18:12:00 - [6] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 3. Combat rifle and other projectiles is so bad against shields that you probably wont live long enough to get to the armor . Lol wut? It does -5% shields +10% armor Not anymore sir. Its now -15% shields +15% armor Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does. Forum Scavenger Prof. V
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 410	Posted - 2014.11.22 18:13:00 - [7] - Quote Halfway across the map *runs in front of rail rifle. I die.
Cpt Merdock THE HANDS OF DEATH RUST415 207	Posted - 2014.11.22 18:17:00 - [8] - Quote The breach AR gives the gallente weoponry something to compete with the other rifles. It is limited in range and has the smallest clip size. I think its fine. Then again I don't shield tank.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1093	Posted - 2014.11.22 18:17:00 - [9] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 3. Combat rifle and other projectiles is so bad against shields that you probably wont live long enough to get to the armor . Lol wut? It does -5% shields +10% armor It does -15% shields, -15% armor, welcome back to dust. How was your vacation?
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1093	Posted - 2014.11.22 18:19:00 - [10] - Quote Cpt Merdock wrote: The breach AR gives the gallente weoponry something to compete with the other rifles. It is limited in range and has the smallest clip size. I think its fine. Then again I don't shield tank. It does more DPS to armor than a rail rifle, it had the longest range out of the assault rifle, damage is easily applied due to slow ROF.

Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 51	Posted - 2014.11.22 18:20:00 - [11] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: runs in front of a breach AR for one millisecond, loses all 480 shields Does it get anymore OP? What is your armor set at? The Breach Assault Rifles know how to deal with shields very well.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4688	Posted - 2014.11.22 18:22:00 - [12] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: 3. Combat rifle and other projectiles is so bad against shields that you probably wont live long enough to get to the armor . Lol wut? It does -5% shields +10% armor Nope. That has been accounted for and changed to -15 shields/+15 armor
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 13891	Posted - 2014.11.22 18:25:00 - [13] - Quote Cpt Merdock wrote: The breach AR gives the gallente weoponry something to compete with the other rifles. It is limited in range and has the smallest clip size. I think its fine. Then again I don't shield tank. Yes, and no. While the Breach AR may only have an 18 round clip, the SCR (without AmAssault) overheats at about 18 rounds, and the seize time is similar to the reload time. Then there's the Combat Rifle, which (without the MinAssault) only fires 18 bursts. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 890	Posted - 2014.11.22 18:32:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: Cpt Merdock wrote: The breach AR gives the gallente weoponry something to compete with the other rifles. It is limited in range and has the smallest clip size. I think its fine. Then again I don't shield tank. Yes, and no. While the Breach AR may only have an 18 round clip, the SCR (without AmAssault) overheats at about 18 rounds, and the seize time is similar to the reload time. Then there's the Combat Rifle, which (without the MinAssault) only fires 18 bursts. Illuminati o.O Lol sike Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does. Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1093	Posted - 2014.11.22 18:36:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Cpt Merdock wrote: The breach AR gives the gallente weoponry something to compete with the other rifles. It is limited in range and has the smallest clip size. I think its fine. Then again I don't shield tank. Yes, and no. While the Breach AR may only have an 36* round clip, the SCR (without AmAssault) overheats at about 18 rounds, and the seize time is similar to the reload time. Then there's the Combat Rifle, which (without the MinAssault) only fires 18 bursts. fixed
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4123	Posted - 2014.11.22 18:47:00 - [16] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: runs in front of a breach AR for one millisecond, loses all 480 shields Does it get anymore OP? Yes, yes it does. Why is it ok for a RR/CR/ScR to melt through 700+ armour from 9 meters away? 1. RR is terrible in CQC 2. ScR has overheat 3. Combat rifle and other projectiles is so bad against shields that you probably wont live long enough to get to the armor BAR on the other hand is good at killing armor and shield. A little too good. RR and ARR both work fine in CQC. All ARs are awful at long range. The ScR still works fine in CQC and has better hipfire then any AR. The CR and ACR both work fine vs shields especially with the high RoF and nearly no kick. The AR and BAR both share a optimal with the HMG which is the CQC King, what the hell is the point of the AR if it can't do well in CQC? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1093	Posted - 2014.11.22 18:59:00 - [17] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: runs in front of a breach AR for one millisecond, loses all 480 shields Does it get anymore OP? Yes, yes it does. Why is it ok for a RR/CR/ScR to melt through 700+ armour from 9 meters away? 1. RR is terrible in CQC 2. ScR has overheat 3. Combat rifle and other projectiles is so bad against shields that you probably wont live long enough to get to the armor BAR on the other hand is good at killing armor and shield. A little too good. RR and ARR both work fine in CQC. All ARs are awful at long range. The ScR still works fine in CQC and has better hipfire then any AR. The CR and ACR both work fine vs shields especially with the high RoF and nearly no kick. The AR and BAR both share a optimal with the HMG which is the CQC King, what the hell is the point of the AR if it can't do well in CQC? What game do you play? the Bar optimal is near 50. with RR kick you can't even kill a AFK player 10m in front of you. ARR is ok. CR and ACR heave terrible hit detection with shields especially the ACR. The Burst CR is just terrible with the fact even a little bit of lag and your DPS goes way down to a point where my grandma's cane has higher DPS. ScR is good where it is at. AR needs buff. TAC AR is good, burst IDK but breach is definitely OP.
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4123	Posted - 2014.11.22 19:51:00 - [18] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: runs in front of a breach AR for one millisecond, loses all 480 shields Does it get anymore OP? Yes, yes it does. Why is it ok for a RR/CR/ScR to melt through 700+ armour from 9 meters away? 1. RR is terrible in CQC 2. ScR has overheat 3. Combat rifle and other projectiles is so bad against shields that you probably wont live long enough to get to the armor BAR on the other hand is good at killing armor and shield. A little too good. RR and ARR both work fine in CQC. All ARs are awful at long range. The ScR still works fine in CQC and has better hipfire then any AR. The CR and ACR both work fine vs shields especially with the high RoF and nearly no kick. The AR and BAR both share a optimal with the HMG which is the CQC King, what the hell is the point of the AR if it can't do well in CQC? What game do you play? the Bar optimal is near 50. with RR kick you can't even kill a AFK player 10m in front of you. ARR is ok. CR and ACR heave terrible hit detection with shields especially the ACR. The Burst CR is just terrible with the fact even a little bit of lag and your DPS goes way down to a point where my grandma's cane has higher DPS. ScR is good where it is at. AR needs buff. TAC AR is good, burst IDK but breach is definitely OP. So the ACR and CR are balanced...by lag? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1093	Posted - 2014.11.22 20:54:00 - [19] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: So the ACR and CR are balanced...by lag? If by balanced you mean underpowerd, then yes. Chocolate Juice
Henrietta Unknown Kirjuun Heiian 506	Posted - 2014.11.22 21:27:00 - [20] - Quote Min scouts use them after failing to knife people. Min Assaults have traded the CR in for them. Caldari Assaults see them as the new RR (sorta?) Gal scouts brick tank with them. and Gallente Assaults are just having a good time. And yet this trend doesn't strike people at all. Give the Magsex some love.

Cheydinhal Guard Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 276	Posted - 2014.11.22 22:14:00 - [21] - Quote No. Both are balanced by the fact that having -15% against shields makes it tough to break through a good shield buffer. Even more tough if your opponent uses cover to quickly regen their shields. During lag spikes, or times of low FPS, that great RoF of the normal CR goes down the drain, as it becomes difficult to correctly time your bursts. Be the mercenary of tomorrow, today. Go beyond with Aurum!
Feldt-Grace Anaheim Electronics Manufacture Company 30	Posted - 2014.11.22 22:15:00 - [22] - Quote Makes the Tactic AR stronger D: TRANS-AM! Gundam, DUST and more Gameplays
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4123	Posted - 2014.11.22 22:27:00 - [23] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: So the ACR and CR are balanced...by lag? If by balanced you mean underpowerd, then yes. I'm sorry, but that's just bullspit. The ACR and CR melt through Armour and don't have any problem hitting me or anyone else I see. If the only reason you say these weapons are UP or even balanced is because of lag, then what happens when the servers aren't laggy? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA Top Men. 110	Posted - 2014.11.22 23:05:00 - [24] - Quote The real problem with this game is the weapons. I often find myself running across the fields minding my own business and out of nowhere some guy comes up and starts shooting me for no apparent reason. We should all get together and petition CCP to ban all weapons. Dust should be a gun free zone. SAVE SOME LIVES. BAN ALL WEAPONS!!!!
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2093	Posted - 2014.11.23 02:20:00 - [25] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: runs in front of a breach AR for one millisecond, loses all 480 shields Does it get anymore OP? its not OP.. untill you put it on a gallente assault or commando who has prof 5 so they do 35% vs shields THAT is why your shield hp dropped in 1 second.. cause it can get several shots off in 1 second. #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2093	Posted - 2014.11.23 02:21:00 - [26] - Quote Cheydinhal Guard wrote: No. Both are balanced by the fact that having -15% against shields makes it tough to break through a good shield buffer. Even more tough if your opponent uses cover to quickly regen their shields. During lag spikes, or times of low FPS, that great RoF of the normal CR goes down the drain, as it becomes difficult to correctly time your bursts. yup i will 100% guarentee lose to a good caldari assault who knows how to hit and cover #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1326	Posted - 2014.11.23 02:28:00 - [27] - Quote I think its at a good place. BuAR is a ammo guzzler and bad. AR is just an automatic version of the BuAR and Officer AR's are only AR worth using. TAC is decent but 18 clip size is garbage. BrAR is good ATM. Maybe it's lag but when i shoot Caldari scum with my AR or LR the hit detection is messed up. But BrAR and ScR bypass this nicely Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1112	Posted - 2014.11.23 04:12:00 - [28] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: So the ACR and CR are balanced...by lag? If by balanced you mean underpowerd, then yes. I'm sorry, but that's just bullspit. The ACR and CR melt through Armour and don't have any problem hitting me or anyone else I see. If the only reason you say these weapons are UP or even balanced is because of lag, then what happens when the servers aren't laggy? Edit:And how much shield can anybody get? 500? (excluding the Caldari sentinel) Till this day I have never had problem with melting through peoples armor with a AR, or melting through shields with a RR even though non of those weapons have bonus toward that. Except the CR, hit detection vs shields with a CR is sooooooo bad, it's not even the fact that CR is bad, it is just that Hit detection is so bad I find my self running out of bullets before I have even gotten through the shields of a moderately shield tanked suits. Chocolate Juice
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1112	Posted - 2014.11.23 04:13:00 - [29] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Cheydinhal Guard wrote: No. Both are balanced by the fact that having -15% against shields makes it tough to break through a good shield buffer. Even more tough if your opponent uses cover to quickly regen their shields. During lag spikes, or times of low FPS, that great RoF of the normal CR goes down the drain, as it becomes difficult to correctly time your bursts. yup i will 100% guarentee lose to a good caldari assault who knows how to hit and cover You lose anyway, Shields take no damage to projectiles 40% of the time. Chocolate Juice
Hakyou Brutor Titans of Phoenix 1637	Posted - 2014.11.23 04:34:00 - [30] - Quote To me the BAR feels like the old RR. It doesn't really feel OP when you use it, but when you get killed by it, it's like "... wait, wtf was that?" Knight Soiaire = my bae



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