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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
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Posted - 2014.11.20 21:52:00 -
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If not, I'm going to start speccing into BP. That thing is still way OP. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
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Jacques Cayton II
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.20 22:25:00 -
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Its not op charge kills its opness now. Its actually balanced try an smg vs it and see who wins
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.11.20 22:26:00 -
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It's not anymore powerful than the Ion Pistol and is only slightly better than the Breach Scrambler Pistol against tougher opponents.
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.11.20 22:32:00 -
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If you are armored then your best bet is to stay away from it.
Especially if you are a scout.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.20 22:33:00 -
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I much prefer the mechanic of the ScP, personally. I find it much easier to actually hit people up close, which is where I need my sidearms to work. The BP charge time and long delay between shots just never worked effectively for me. Sure I got lucky from time to time and it really wrecks noobs who are dumb enough to stand still or run in straight lines -- but it really lacked against more difficult targets in my hands. If I need an armor sidearm, I use the SMG.
That said, I haven't heard anything about further nerfs on the sidearms. I guess we'll have to wait and see. |
Clone D
Grundstein Automation
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Posted - 2014.11.20 22:56:00 -
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It's still a 50 meter shotgun, even with the charge time. I'm doing it 
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Victor Moody Stahl
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.21 00:47:00 -
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The Bolt Pistol isn't actually that OP. It functions best over range, making it a good complement to short-ranged guns. I find it works best on an HMG heavy- the HMG is very limited at the ranges the bolt pistol is most capable at (around 40-60 meters).
It can work with other options... and the aim assist on it does still seem to be a little to assisting. However, I wouldn't know much about the latter- I run KB/M, so aim assist isn't something I'm really allowed to play with.
Just "theorycrafting" a little, it would probably complement a shotgun build reasonably well, covering for the shotgun's ridiculously low range- I wouldn't really expect a scout suit to actually use that combination, it seems like closing range would be an issue more for shotgun-toting medframes really.
It might also work well with either of the CR variants or the non-Tactical AR variants. Would also probably work reasonably well in a "gunslinger" style fit using dual sidearms.
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.21 00:51:00 -
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Heh, try hitting people in CQC.
I swear, that charge time makes it helaciously difficult to work in CQC, even if it deals 200 damage, I can't apply it in where I'd use a sidearm.
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Exile Code
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.21 00:58:00 -
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I like it, other than the Breach ScP, it's my favorite pistol. I just love how the recoil feels for both pistols.
Speaking of, I heard someone say that new Bolt Pistol variants will be released...
Fact or Rumor?
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xavier zor
Boundless Mercenary
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Posted - 2014.11.21 01:10:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Heh, try hitting people in CQC.
I swear, that charge time makes it helaciously difficult to work in CQC, even if it deals 200 damage, I can't apply it in where I'd use a sidearm.
Actually i have found it to do quite well in CQC...just keep the cross-hairs on your enemy, and he goes down in a shot (headshot) or 3
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Union118
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.21 01:19:00 -
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Flaver of the month so use it while you can to get some kills. Yea its op I get one shotted all the time.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Louis Domi
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.21 01:40:00 -
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Not OP, don't you dare say it is OP.
The minute one person says something is OP everyone flocks to it like Gold diggers to rich celebrities (Ha) |
maluble
Art.of.Death
VP Gaming Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.21 01:46:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:Its not op charge kills its opness now. Its actually balanced try an smg vs it and see who wins
One shot pistols are not balanced, ccp fails to understand the role of a sidearm. It's a last resort oh **** weapon. The bolt pistol has become a mini sniper rifle. |
Victor Moody Stahl
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.21 02:03:00 -
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Except that the Bolt was always intended as a sidearm that would be chosen for it's extreme accuracy and superior range compared to other sidearms, and even some light weapons.
I gather that the idea was that the Bolt would be the ideal companion for weapons like the shotgun or HMG- guns that are very deadly in their arena, but leave you effectively unarmed against an opponent at range. In that, it actually excels.
Also, blap-shot kills generally only happen against starter fits (there's not a lot that can't one-shot a starter fit), or moderately-tanked scouts. In the former case, starter fits are terrible, while in the latter, I would argue it's "working as intended".
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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.11.21 02:29:00 -
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It just needs the Aim Assist toned down A LOT. Maybe a damage reduction but that's it.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.21 02:32:00 -
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Not even close to OP. Skill ceiling is high, bad in CQC, and its intended range is OPPOSITE of its damage profile.
I use one on my heavy alt. As a heavy I have little option when it comes to range and at a severe disadvantage at more than 25 meters out unless fighting another heavy or a commando (yay large hitbox counters dispersion!)
So really EVERY heavy who runs an HMG should use the bolt pistol. But you shoot the bolt pistol when they are out of range of your HMG. Which means you haven't shot them yet and they still have their shield. So you are doing minus damage.
IF you close distance somehow then you would use your HMG (or other close range weapon)
But yeah, that thing is hard to use. If one shot wasn't devastating in damage then there would be no point as getting a hit is not something that will happen with any consistancy no matter how good you are. |
Victor Moody Stahl
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2014.11.21 02:47:00 -
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As far as damage profile goes, I find that the Bolt pistol is a lot like the BrScP- it does so much alpha that it doesn't matter that you're shooting at a negative profile, you still hit like a truck.
I'd also like to comment that the Magsec is also a nice complement to the HMG- I've fought a couple of heavies that thought they could just pop in-and-out of cover and hose me with an HMG at anywhere from 40 to 60 meters.
That didn't work out so well for them.
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Union118
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.11.21 02:57:00 -
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Louis Domi wrote:Not OP, don't you dare say it is OP.
The minute one person says something is OP everyone flocks to it like Gold diggers to rich celebrities (Ha)
It's..... wait for it......... OP
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
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Posted - 2014.11.21 03:11:00 -
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Victor Moody Stahl wrote:Except that the Bolt was always intended as a sidearm that would be chosen for it's extreme accuracy and superior range compared to other sidearms, and even some light weapons.
If extreme accuracy was the intended use of the weapon then give it a huge headshot bonus, but tone down the damage to sub 100. As it stands now, it's a cannon that fits in the palm of your hand.
As for me, I'm going to purchase the Blueprint Militia BP and run around laying waste to proto fittings using my 0 ISK double BP fitting. Enjoy.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.11.21 03:21:00 -
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It don't find it to be too powerful. Comparing it to a 50 meter shotgun is a large overstatement. It is, however, an excellent weapon against people that are not paying attention. I don't mean it like "lawl, shotgun only kill you cuz you not pay atenion!", I mean you completely sneak up to a player who is sniping, hacking an CRU/Supply, or they are controlling a turret. In that case, a headshot is a 1 shot kill against a non-heavily tanked Scout with my Advanced Bolt Pistol.
That may seem extremely powerful but in truth any weapon in that scenario is going to get the kill. The only reason to use the Bolt Pistol in those scenarios, at least for me, is because I like the idea of Solid Snake sneaking up to someone and getting a headshot, though there is better reason. Since the gun will fire only 1 or 2 shots, it is less likely to get the attention of anyone else around. In a fight where people notice me, the ARR is a far, far better option.
It's a good weapon and I use an Advanced Bolt Pistol on my Scout suits. I see it as an Assassination weapon rather than a Combat weapon; you can kill people faster in the correct scenario that most other weapons but in a "the enemy is shooting back" situation it is worse than most other weapons. Overall, the Scrambler Pistol is probably better despite the fun of doing an ADS headshot at 3 meters. Sneaking up on someone with the Scrambler leaves them just as dead as the Bolt would but it is also a better weapon if you are fighting something that shoots back.
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Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2014.11.21 05:07:00 -
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I hope they buff their hit detection and mega-nerf their bullet magnetism. |
Victor Moody Stahl
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.21 05:45:00 -
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Clone D wrote:If extreme accuracy was the intended use of the weapon then give it a huge headshot bonus, but tone down the damage to sub 100. As it stands now, it's a cannon that fits in the palm of your hand.
As for me, I'm going to purchase the Blueprint Militia BP and run around laying waste to proto fittings using my 0 ISK double BP fitting. Enjoy.
The main issue with that is simply that- particularly now- the charge time makes it very difficult to get a headshot on somebody who's moving around. The last time that I remember headshotting someone with the Bolt was an Ambush match on the Caldari Production Facility.
The target in question was a stationary Gallente starter fit. The Bolt may have a large alpha strike, but that, IMO, is more down to the fact that it's also supposed to be something of a "hand cannon".
IIRC, the CPM actually gave their impression of the weapon as being "like the Desert Eagle", and the weapon's item description specifically mentions it's high-impact nature.
There is also the issue that the Bolt has a very critical flaw: it's low capacity. Missing even one shot is not only extremely deleterious to your damage output, but- particularly for heavies- an incredibly wasteful expenditure of ammo.
If you use it as an actual sidearm, then I would agree with Joseph Ridgeson, who commented that it excels mostly as an assassin's weapon- the report is fairly quiet, and you aren't likely to need more than one shot on an unaware, thinly-tanked opponent.
As a secondary weapon, it is best used to compensate for really only one thing: a lack of range on a primary weapon. This is also what makes the Bolt an excellent pairing for the HMG, and IMO the shotgun as well.
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Mike Ox Bigger
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.21 06:06:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:Its not op charge kills its opness now. Its actually balanced try an smg vs it and see who wins
Yeah... tell that to my KBP with prof 4. I pick you off before you get in range. BTW this things a scout eater.
But Sssshhhh don't tell anyone.
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.11.21 07:32:00 -
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Mine is not maxed out on it, but I don't find it op. The charge time is painful in cqc and out in the open the weapon only really shins in cover or if you manage to ohk a scout. I have a side arm only scout that now used scrp/nk because the bolt will get you killed and the ion reload is broken. The only op side arm I notice is the SMG it is to good in every situation and overlaps into the mag sec.
My advise it try using it them come back here and give a real review of the weapon because unless you have used it you don't know ****.
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Horizon Limit
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.11.21 10:07:00 -
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Why you want to nerf only my BP?
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
855
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Posted - 2014.11.21 11:12:00 -
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After the second round of nerfs to the SCP, I noticed that it is most effective in the 10-15 meter range. Even at the most effective range, the non-breach SCP is essentially like shooting marshmallows at your opponent. It often takes more than a full 13 round clip to do any significant damage, hitting the opponent with every shot. While I was previously a huge SCP fan befoe nerfs 1 and 2, it is now agonizing to use and while I do weave, jump and use random movement during encounters, the use of the SCP often gets me killed.
Having abandoned the SCP, I specced into the SMG, which is quite an effective little buggar. It is more effective than the SCP in TTK, easy to get head shots, and more reliable than the SCP in any circumstance, not to mention especially in a laggy game where fully automatic weapons have the advantage over semi auto.
The BP, however beats both the SCP and SMG in TTK, and range. The limitation is ammo, but the force is quite strong with this one and aim assist compensates for the low ammo. During the sidearm event, I played a double militia bolt pistol and wrecked people left and right, laughing at the easy mode nature of the weapon. The "nerf" to charge time has not offset the power of the weapon IMO.
I regularly die to BPs while at full health and I am running around in my default eHP scout (no sheidl/armor tanking) at top speed darting, weaving and jumping 50-60 meters away. This weapon is way OP and I will exploit it as long as it continues; absurd really.
Just last night, on the line harvest map, I was causing heavies to seek cover as I terrorized them with my double militia BP from at least 50 meters away.
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Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.21 11:24:00 -
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
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Posted - 2014.11.21 11:25:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:Its not op charge kills its opness now. Its actually balanced try an smg vs it and see who wins
Your BP technique is probably hurting a little bit. Don't use it to run up in people's faces while firing. Keep your distance. If they're too close to you, back off as you charge up.
In the same vein, I can't tell you how many times I have scout charged heavies while weaving back and forth and they whip out a BP and one shot me  right before I strike the final blow (death screen Sentinal ak.0, Bolt Pistol, 0 shield, 0 armor).
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.11.21 12:14:00 -
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Clone D wrote:If not, I'm going to start speccing into BP. That thing is still way OP. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
AHHA ah man... You are funny :3
BP is working as intended.
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
855
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Posted - 2014.11.21 12:51:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Clone D wrote:If not, I'm going to start speccing into BP. That thing is still way OP. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. AHHA ah man... You are funny :3 BP is working as intended.
I'm not complaining. I simply want to verify that there are no nerfs coming down the pipe for this weapon. I hate speccing into a branch of the skill tree, only to find that I have wasted my SP a month later when the next hotfix comes out.
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