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Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 607	Posted - 2014.11.20 17:37:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously. Tomorrow would be good for a hotfix. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 675	Posted - 2014.11.20 17:41:00 - [2] - Quote The BAR? Yeah that's OP. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis - pronounced like 'maize'
Taskanoss Imperial Instinct 18	Posted - 2014.11.20 17:43:00 - [3] - Quote Range. Take off 1/3 and we should be good. I got your back Bro Beans!
Middas Betancore Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 179	Posted - 2014.11.20 17:44:00 - [4] - Quote Maybe it's cos I run caldari gear im feeling it worse, but it's brutal Im sure the weapon usage charts will see many players migrating from all previous rifle forms into breach ar, being that the weapons attributes are probably in line with the rifle standard, perhaps it needs a dispersion tweak I hate to QQ But there's just so many, and historicaly in this game it seems if a large amount of players suddenly start using a particular weapon it tends to point to the fact it is over-performing Trying it on a friends account-maxed out galmando breach ar/plasma cannon I went 25/0 and it felt so easy, even ammar sentinels were no challenge My thoughts on breach ar Don't hurt me Major M.Betancore Mercenary for hire
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 356	Posted - 2014.11.20 17:47:00 - [5] - Quote Yes, kill the strange long range effectiveness and make it a CQC weapon... then make the RR a long range weapon... I'm sure someone else wants the RR as a long range weapon again These people too! *"There is only one thing I regret, that is only giving one life to my state." - Viktor Revon*
Summa Militum Hidd3n Dragon 43	Posted - 2014.11.20 17:48:00 - [6] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: Seriously. Tomorrow would be good for a hotfix. Are you gonna suggest killing the Kaalakiota Rail Rifle as well? I think it is bullshit to suggest getting rid of the kick ass short range weapons while turning a blind eye to the kick ass long range weapons. I play with the Breach Assault Rifle and in order for me to make something happen with that gun I have to charge up to the enemy and engage primarily in close-quarter-combat. With Rail Rifles you can post up way out of reach of any Assault Rifle and seriously destroy people. I take serious chances charging up to the enemy team to engage in some CQC. Sometimes I benefit off the chances I take and sometimes I don't.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 366	Posted - 2014.11.20 17:50:00 - [7] - Quote I see the same stuff in my kill feed CR/RR/SG of course I don't ambush. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5133	Posted - 2014.11.20 17:51:00 - [8] - Quote Breach AR killed the Caldari Scout meta, and and RR meta ALL IN ONE UPDATE No, leave the breach AR where it is. I'd rather be killed by BrARs all day than caldari scouts and RRs 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Middas Betancore Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 180	Posted - 2014.11.20 17:54:00 - [9] - Quote Yeah I think my perspective may just be warped as a caldari If I get hit by a breach ar it should REALLY hurt I find balance so hard to judge Rattati usually goes by the numbers...so I guess we'll see Cal scouts will always be a thing, @lvl 5 it's brutal....but so are the other races And cal scouts with breach Ar...ewww Mercenary for hire
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2227	Posted - 2014.11.20 18:01:00 - [10] - Quote FWIW, it's back to the ARR on the Cal Scout for me in all but the closest of quarters.

Middas Betancore Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 180	Posted - 2014.11.20 18:04:00 - [11] - Quote Trusty SL-4, paired with knives or a faithful bolt pistol, personally...bolt pistol Mercenary for hire-2.5year vet 55m sp-Caldari Dropsuits, Weapons, Equipment and Tanks Race change to Caldari please
Myron Kundera The Generals 109	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:18:00 - [12] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: Seriously. Tomorrow would be good for a hotfix. You are stupid blueberry. Breach AR is fine. HMG, Shotgun, ACR and ASCR still outperform the B-AR in CQ, so no, it-¦s not OP. Only shield loving suits feel the B-AR is OP cause it wrecks shields at CQ, which is it-¦s niche, you will get trashed by medium-long range weapons no problem if you engage with a B-AR at their optimal. "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 614	Posted - 2014.11.20 19:47:00 - [13] - Quote Myron Kundera wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Seriously. Tomorrow would be good for a hotfix. You are stupid blueberry. Breach AR is fine. HMG, Shotgun, ACR and ASCR still outperform the B-AR in CQ, so no, it-¦s not OP. Only shield loving suits feel the B-AR is OP cause it wrecks shields at CQ, which is it-¦s niche, you will get trashed by medium-long range weapons no problem if you engage with a B-AR at their optimal. HMH - duh Shotgun - duh ACR - no ASCR - no Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5017	Posted - 2014.11.20 20:08:00 - [14] - Quote BAR is fine. If you want other weapons to be competent then ask for buffs. It's my fault FA exists. Direct your rage to me.
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 540	Posted - 2014.11.20 20:10:00 - [15] - Quote The only ones who could say it's fine are obviously not shield tankers. That **** blows your shields up in 5 shots. Take a bow
Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2503	Posted - 2014.11.20 20:25:00 - [16] - Quote Man never thought I'd see the day that people complained the Breach AR was OP I've gone up against plenty wielding them and never really thought they were OP. Then again, I guess people will always find something to complain about when they die Follow me on Twitch.tv!
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 133	Posted - 2014.11.20 20:39:00 - [17] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2471705#post2471705 The BrAR is a clear outlier in the rifles.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 360	Posted - 2014.11.20 20:59:00 - [18] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: The only ones who could say it's fine are obviously not shield tankers. That ** blows your shields up in 5 shots. Then take your armor in 4... This is the after forum, the old forum sploded when The Barbershop reached page 514** ...
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 186	Posted - 2014.11.20 21:03:00 - [19] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Cavani1EE7 wrote: The only ones who could say it's fine are obviously not shield tankers. That ** blows your shields up in 5 shots. Then take your armor in 4... yeah it is quite bullst when you are an amarr..... "The feud shall not be forgotten. But those who forget, never witnessed the true horror." -Nexle Skimfuse
Myron Kundera The Generals 111	Posted - 2014.11.20 21:22:00 - [20] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: The only ones who could say it's fine are obviously not shield tankers. That ** blows your shields up in 5 shots. Blowing shields up? working as intended for a high alpha CQ weapon. If you can-¦t handle it, get out of it-¦s optimal range and outdps it with a medium range - long range weapon. Fixed this for you: "The only ones who could say it's fine are obviously not armor tankers. That ** blows your armor up in 3 shots" (i-¦m talking about the ACR). So yeah, i guess each player senses each rifle differently according to what his tank is, still, you can-¦t cry OP this and that just cause you got owned by a shield damage base weapon, that has a high alpha, low rof, intended for CQ. "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"

Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1310	Posted - 2014.11.20 21:23:00 - [21] - Quote Then can we atleast get a better AR and BuAR Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 476	Posted - 2014.11.20 21:38:00 - [22] - Quote Will the ScR be going with it? No? Well alright then later with this BS chaps. The breach AR at prof 5 is going to kill you! Why you guys don't understand that? The same goes for any weapon! What's so OP about the breach that isn't with the ScR? Let the breach have it's year like the rail. It's not OP you need to adjust. "Anybody order chaos?"
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 134	Posted - 2014.11.20 22:29:00 - [23] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Will the ScR be going with it? No? Well alright then later with this BS chaps. The breach AR at prof 5 is going to kill you! Why you guys don't understand that? The same goes for any weapon! What's so OP about the breach that isn't with the ScR? Let the breach have it's year like the rail. It's not OP you need to adjust. So you want a cycle of OP weapons? You don't need prof 5 to rip through shields and armour with the BrAR with 0 handling issues. The ScrR is only OP against shields, presumably as intended. What don't you understand?
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2535	Posted - 2014.11.20 23:49:00 - [24] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Then can we atleast get a better AR and BuAR Yea man, my Toxin ain't doing the work it once did for me. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14909	Posted - 2014.11.20 23:51:00 - [25] - Quote tander09 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Cavani1EE7 wrote: The only ones who could say it's fine are obviously not shield tankers. That ** blows your shields up in 5 shots. Then take your armor in 4... yeah it is quite bullst when you are an amarr..... I can drop a Gallenteans armour in roughly as many shots. Seems fair to me. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 135	Posted - 2014.11.21 00:43:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: tander09 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Cavani1EE7 wrote: The only ones who could say it's fine are obviously not shield tankers. That ** blows your shields up in 5 shots. Then take your armor in 4... yeah it is quite bullst when you are an amarr..... I can drop a Gallenteans armour in roughly as many shots. Seems fair to me. because damage mods and higher damage per bullet. ScrR right?
xavier zor Boundless Mercenary 306	Posted - 2014.11.21 01:19:00 - [27] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Breach AR killed the Caldari Scout meta, and and RR meta ALL IN ONE UPDATE No, leave the breach AR where it is. I'd rather be killed by BrARs all day than caldari scouts and RRs I would rather not :( This breach assault rifle will end up in the same boat as the combat rifle....a big nerf. Not to bad but still usable the rail rifle was fine i have no idea why CCP touched the thing...the kick was a small issue but they should make the kick/shot penalty apply after 1-2 seconds of continous hipfire (rewards accurate hipfire gameplay) Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
Lupus Wolf Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2014.11.21 01:23:00 - [28] - Quote There's so many because it's the closest thing to the RR minus the range so when it was nerfed, a bunch of RR users switched to it. Sky whale mating rituals!! Go home Damage Indicator, you're drunk Good, good... let the nanites flow through you
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2034	Posted - 2014.11.21 01:26:00 - [29] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Breach AR killed the Caldari Scout meta, and and RR meta ALL IN ONE UPDATE No, leave the breach AR where it is. I'd rather be killed by BrARs all day than caldari scouts and RRs good, calscout was OP and king of the scouts for far too long. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Louis Domi Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 805	Posted - 2014.11.21 01:46:00 - [30] - Quote I actually prefer the TAR to the BAR...

DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5998	Posted - 2014.11.21 03:18:00 - [31] - Quote I think Dust has seen its fair share of irrational nerfs thank you. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1987	Posted - 2014.11.21 03:27:00 - [32] - Quote Summa Militum wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Seriously. Tomorrow would be good for a hotfix. Are you gonna suggest killing the Kaalakiota Rail Rifle as well? I think it is bullshit to suggest getting rid of the kick ass short range weapons while turning a blind eye to the kick ass long range weapons. I play with the Breach Assault Rifle and in order for me to make something happen with that gun I have to charge up to the enemy and engage primarily in close-quarter-combat. With Rail Rifles you can post up way out of reach of any Assault Rifle and seriously destroy people. I take serious chances charging up to the enemy team to engage in some CQC. Sometimes I benefit off the chances I take and sometimes I don't. Breach at already killed the RR, 30 more damage per shot and 74m range. Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 478	Posted - 2014.11.21 05:03:00 - [33] - Quote Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Will the ScR be going with it? No? Well alright then later with this BS chaps. The breach AR at prof 5 is going to kill you! Why you guys don't understand that? The same goes for any weapon! What's so OP about the breach that isn't with the ScR? Let the breach have it's year like the rail. It's not OP you need to adjust. So you want a cycle of OP weapons? You don't need prof 5 to rip through shields and armour with the BrAR with 0 handling issues. The ScrR is only OP against shields, presumably as intended. What don't you understand? Against shields you say? Get in a gallante assault suit or commando. Let me know how that fire fight turns out when that viziam hits you lol! All you're armor will be shredded I guarantee it. The stats say one thing, but the in-game performance is evident. Ofcourse if the user is prof 5 he's going to rip you to shreds right.... kind of like the breach... hmmm... Also my sharpshooter and proficiency are 5 so regardless of any nerf the stats are there. I'm no slayer, but with prof 5 and sharpshooter 5 what exactly do you want the weapon to do? Struggle? All you need on the RR and ScR is prof 5 no sharpshooter, and both weapons have great sights. Why don't they struggle to kill? I sense bias?! If the gallente has done his due diligence to spec into both prof 5 and sharpshooter he should be the match and more of any rifle that only requires prof 5 to annihilate mercs. "Anybody order chaos?"
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1539	Posted - 2014.11.21 05:12:00 - [34] - Quote Stupid Blueberry Alright Rattati it 's time to kill the Breach. wrote: Seriously. Tomorrow would be good for a hotfix. It sounds like the op hates weapon variations. Breach Forge, Breach Shotgun, Breach AR, Breach Flaylock... People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 226	Posted - 2014.11.21 05:57:00 - [35] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Breach AR killed the Caldari Scout meta, and and RR meta ALL IN ONE UPDATE No, leave the breach AR where it is. I'd rather be killed by BrARs all day than caldari scouts and RRs good, calscout was OP and king of the scouts for far too long. Hotfix charlie killed off calscouts.... Why the hell would anyone think calscouts are better when player mostly use scouts, and there are two scouts that at many occasions,heavily outclass the suit in terms of survivability and skill bonus? The scout issue wasn't as bad as before, where only few people here and there exploited calscouts for selfish reasons. Now there's two very exploitable scouts, even if the calscout is outclassed it counts as exploitable, but still not the best. Besides that, people are being so dense here about guns. If a weapon is easy to use and can kill a player far before the player can react, it's not balanced. Breach AR can still easily kill armour tankers as well.
Cavani1EE7 Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 550	Posted - 2014.11.21 13:11:00 - [36] - Quote CR is still OP vs armor as it's supposed to be but it's bad againts shields. Good in CQC, decent in range. AR and is good vs shields and decent vs armor, it kills as fast as it's supposed to do in CQC but it's useless in range. Balanced. Burst AR is a little less efficent than the AR in CQC but has more range than it, balanced. RR is still very efficent in range but it's powerless in CQC, needs tweaks for CQC. ScR is OP vs shields as it's supposed to be but wrecks armor just as fast due to its very high DPS if used on an Amarr Assault; it's also very easy to use for its high accuracy and hit detection (as easy as the CR), the only trouble you'll find is the heat build up. Good in both range and CQC, OP if used in an Amarr Assault. Needs tweaks such as a nerf of Alpha damage. The breach AR totally outDPSs the other Assault rifles, has better accuracy, 0 recoil and whatnot. Needs a nerf. Take a bow
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 480	Posted - 2014.11.21 13:26:00 - [37] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: CR is still OP vs armor as it's supposed to be but it's bad againts shields. Good in CQC, decent in range. AR and is good vs shields and decent vs armor, it kills as fast as it's supposed to do in CQC but it's useless in range. Balanced. Burst AR is a little less efficent than the AR in CQC but has more range than it, balanced. RR is still very efficent in range but it's powerless in CQC, needs tweaks for CQC. ScR is OP vs shields as it's supposed to be but wrecks armor just as fast due to its very high DPS if used on an Amarr Assault; it's also very easy to use for its high accuracy and hit detection (as easy as the CR), the only trouble you'll find is the heat build up. Good in both range and CQC, OP if used in an Amarr Assault. Needs tweaks such as a nerf of Alpha damage. The breach AR totally outDPSs the other Assault rifles, has better accuracy, 0 recoil and whatnot. Needs a nerf. ARR for CQC! Not kaalakiota! Breach AR doesn't need a nerf! What's dangerous about it is you guys that try to CQC in cal assault suits, not necessarily the weapon?! "Anybody order chaos?"
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 456	Posted - 2014.11.21 13:37:00 - [38] - Quote past 50m the breach ar has laughable damage. breach AR has better performance up to 40m. less range than TAC,BURST and what I believe from testing less range than std AR variant. Rail rifle. capable of killing anywhere from 0-90m at mlt level. high damage per shot, decent rate of fire. (although its bad for cqc. but kick/dispersion down sights is negligible.) kalakiota rr can kill just past 110m. if you died to a breach AR. you were a) trying to fight it with a long range weapon at 40m. b) user managed to get into range and demolishes you c) ''he came from behind'' d) scout. personally the breach ar is balanced. AR trades range for power and cqc-short-medium range usage. let the AR and its varients actually be viable and provide more constructive feedback if you want it nerfed. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2058	Posted - 2014.11.21 13:48:00 - [39] - Quote I think a small BAR nerf would be appropriate. Around 5% to damage. I do not think handling changes are appropriate; as we saw with the RR, they tend to break weapons.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1314	Posted - 2014.11.21 14:03:00 - [40] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Zindorak wrote: Then can we atleast get a better AR and BuAR Yea man, my Toxin ain't doing the work it once did for me. To have and actual AR that assaults things you have to use the officer AR+¿s and that is just impractical Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)

Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1318	Posted - 2014.11.21 14:04:00 - [41] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Breach AR killed the Caldari Scout meta, and and RR meta ALL IN ONE UPDATE No, leave the breach AR where it is. I'd rather be killed by BrARs all day than caldari scouts and RRs Good Caldari scouts are only for people who need the broken hitbox to compensate for their bad gun game Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 480	Posted - 2014.11.21 16:53:00 - [42] - Quote You guys do realize that the "assault" rifle is more of a defensive weapon right? In most cases shield roles get gunned down running into an area defended by gallente assaults, scouts, and commandos with breach AR's. The only guys assaulting points with breach AR's are strafers, and we all know that's a broken mechanic completely?! It's working in it's primary zone as intended. You guys just don't like the idea that you can't rail your way into objective no more against nerfed weapons. Logi trains get cut down by the hard hitting breach, and it's rate of fire is slow enough to kill scouts too. It's a good weapon in CQC, and that's all there is to it. "Anybody order chaos?"
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 623	Posted - 2014.11.21 20:06:00 - [43] - Quote Look at all of these people defending the breach rifle and not even complaining how the vanilla AR is utter shite... Again, if it isn't OP, why is everyone using it instead of the standard variant? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Myron Kundera The Generals 113	Posted - 2014.11.21 22:21:00 - [44] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: Look at all of these people defending the breach rifle and not even complaining how the vanilla AR is utter shite... Again, if it isn't OP, why is everyone using it instead of the standard variant? The AR is the worst rifle in the game and that's a fact. You-¦re saying that the Breach AR is OP, so, instead of making a thread about how the AR needs a buff, you-¦re proposing a nerf to the Breach AR, making it worse than the AR. Sorry mate but that just makes no sense. Instead of saying that the Breach AR needs to be "killed", make a thread about how the AR is underperfoming, needing a buff or something in those lines, but don-¦t try to make a sh*tty weapon a good one by nerfing it-¦s closest brother. Better? "Greed, the forgotten mental disease" "Spray and pray makes my day" "Will use proto gear in self defense"
Nirwanda Vaughns 963	Posted - 2014.11.21 22:54:00 - [45] - Quote breach range needs dropping to bout 50m other than that its working as supposed ot be. short range, high damage. a bolt pistol can out range it and do similar damage. Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 624	Posted - 2014.11.21 23:24:00 - [46] - Quote Myron Kundera wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Look at all of these people defending the breach rifle and not even complaining how the vanilla AR is utter shite... Again, if it isn't OP, why is everyone using it instead of the standard variant? The AR is the worst rifle in the game and that's a fact. You-¦re saying that the Breach AR is OP, so, instead of making a thread about how the AR needs a buff, you-¦re proposing a nerf to the Breach AR, making it worse than the AR. Sorry mate but that just makes no sense. Instead of saying that the Breach AR needs to be "killed", make a thread about how the AR is underperfoming, needing a buff or something in those lines, but don-¦t try to make a sh*tty weapon a good one by nerfing it-¦s closest brother. Better? Because the Breach AR's over performance is a bigger problem than the AR underperforming. And the AR is not the worst weapon in the game, see the Rail Rifle. I'm sensing some bias from you. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Oceltot Mortalis 51	Posted - 2014.11.21 23:30:00 - [47] - Quote The BAR won't be nerfed until the RR is nerfed. In life, I have this to regret. That too often, when I acquired ISK, I did not have enough of it. -everyone in EVE, ever
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 624	Posted - 2014.11.21 23:31:00 - [48] - Quote Oceltot Mortalis wrote: The BAR won't be nerfed until the RR is nerfed. More people living under a rock. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.


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