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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2014.11.21 03:18:00 -
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I think Dust has seen its fair share of irrational nerfs thank you.
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Pvt Numnutz
Prophets of the Velocirapture
1987
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Posted - 2014.11.21 03:27:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote:Seriously. Tomorrow would be good for a hotfix. Are you gonna suggest killing the Kaalakiota Rail Rifle as well? I think it is bullshit to suggest getting rid of the kick ass short range weapons while turning a blind eye to the kick ass long range weapons. I play with the Breach Assault Rifle and in order for me to make something happen with that gun I have to charge up to the enemy and engage primarily in close-quarter-combat. With Rail Rifles you can post up way out of reach of any Assault Rifle and seriously destroy people. I take serious chances charging up to the enemy team to engage in some CQC. Sometimes I benefit off the chances I take and sometimes I don't.
Breach at already killed the RR, 30 more damage per shot and 74m range.
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
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Posted - 2014.11.21 05:03:00 -
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Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote:Bradric Banewolf wrote:Will the ScR be going with it? No? Well alright then later with this BS chaps. The breach AR at prof 5 is going to kill you! Why you guys don't understand that? The same goes for any weapon! What's so OP about the breach that isn't with the ScR?
Let the breach have it's year like the rail. It's not OP you need to adjust. So you want a cycle of OP weapons? You don't need prof 5 to rip through shields and armour with the BrAR with 0 handling issues. The ScrR is only OP against shields, presumably as intended. What don't you understand?
Against shields you say? Get in a gallante assault suit or commando. Let me know how that fire fight turns out when that viziam hits you lol! All you're armor will be shredded I guarantee it. The stats say one thing, but the in-game performance is evident. Ofcourse if the user is prof 5 he's going to rip you to shreds right.... kind of like the breach... hmmm...
Also my sharpshooter and proficiency are 5 so regardless of any nerf the stats are there. I'm no slayer, but with prof 5 and sharpshooter 5 what exactly do you want the weapon to do? Struggle? All you need on the RR and ScR is prof 5 no sharpshooter, and both weapons have great sights. Why don't they struggle to kill? I sense bias?! If the gallente has done his due diligence to spec into both prof 5 and sharpshooter he should be the match and more of any rifle that only requires prof 5 to annihilate mercs.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1539
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Posted - 2014.11.21 05:12:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry
Alright Rattati it 's time to kill the Breach.
wrote:Seriously. Tomorrow would be good for a hotfix.
It sounds like the op hates weapon variations. Breach Forge, Breach Shotgun, Breach AR, Breach Flaylock...
People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
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Lloyd Orfay
SHAKING BABIES
FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
226
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Posted - 2014.11.21 05:57:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Breach AR killed the Caldari Scout meta, and and RR meta ALL IN ONE UPDATE
No, leave the breach AR where it is. I'd rather be killed by BrARs all day than caldari scouts and RRs good, calscout was OP and king of the scouts for far too long.
Hotfix charlie killed off calscouts....
Why the hell would anyone think calscouts are better when player mostly use scouts, and there are two scouts that at many occasions,heavily outclass the suit in terms of survivability and skill bonus? The scout issue wasn't as bad as before, where only few people here and there exploited calscouts for selfish reasons. Now there's two very exploitable scouts, even if the calscout is outclassed it counts as exploitable, but still not the best.
Besides that, people are being so dense here about guns.
If a weapon is easy to use and can kill a player far before the player can react, it's not balanced.
Breach AR can still easily kill armour tankers as well. |
Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
550
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Posted - 2014.11.21 13:11:00 -
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CR is still OP vs armor as it's supposed to be but it's bad againts shields. Good in CQC, decent in range.
AR and is good vs shields and decent vs armor, it kills as fast as it's supposed to do in CQC but it's useless in range. Balanced.
Burst AR is a little less efficent than the AR in CQC but has more range than it, balanced.
RR is still very efficent in range but it's powerless in CQC, needs tweaks for CQC.
ScR is OP vs shields as it's supposed to be but wrecks armor just as fast due to its very high DPS if used on an Amarr Assault; it's also very easy to use for its high accuracy and hit detection (as easy as the CR), the only trouble you'll find is the heat build up. Good in both range and CQC, OP if used in an Amarr Assault. Needs tweaks such as a nerf of Alpha damage.
The breach AR totally outDPSs the other Assault rifles, has better accuracy, 0 recoil and whatnot. Needs a nerf.
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.11.21 13:26:00 -
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Cavani1EE7 wrote:CR is still OP vs armor as it's supposed to be but it's bad againts shields. Good in CQC, decent in range.
AR and is good vs shields and decent vs armor, it kills as fast as it's supposed to do in CQC but it's useless in range. Balanced.
Burst AR is a little less efficent than the AR in CQC but has more range than it, balanced.
RR is still very efficent in range but it's powerless in CQC, needs tweaks for CQC.
ScR is OP vs shields as it's supposed to be but wrecks armor just as fast due to its very high DPS if used on an Amarr Assault; it's also very easy to use for its high accuracy and hit detection (as easy as the CR), the only trouble you'll find is the heat build up. Good in both range and CQC, OP if used in an Amarr Assault. Needs tweaks such as a nerf of Alpha damage.
The breach AR totally outDPSs the other Assault rifles, has better accuracy, 0 recoil and whatnot. Needs a nerf.
ARR for CQC! Not kaalakiota! Breach AR doesn't need a nerf! What's dangerous about it is you guys that try to CQC in cal assault suits, not necessarily the weapon?!
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
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Posted - 2014.11.21 13:37:00 -
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past 50m the breach ar has laughable damage.
breach AR has better performance up to 40m. less range than TAC,BURST and what I believe from testing less range than std AR variant.
Rail rifle. capable of killing anywhere from 0-90m at mlt level. high damage per shot, decent rate of fire. (although its bad for cqc. but kick/dispersion down sights is negligible.)
kalakiota rr can kill just past 110m.
if you died to a breach AR. you were
a) trying to fight it with a long range weapon at 40m.
b) user managed to get into range and demolishes you
c) ''he came from behind''
d) scout.
personally the breach ar is balanced.
AR trades range for power and cqc-short-medium range usage.
let the AR and its varients actually be viable and provide more constructive feedback if you want it nerfed.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
2058
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Posted - 2014.11.21 13:48:00 -
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I think a small BAR nerf would be appropriate. Around 5% to damage. I do not think handling changes are appropriate; as we saw with the RR, they tend to break weapons. |
Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1314
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Posted - 2014.11.21 14:03:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Zindorak wrote:Then can we atleast get a better AR and BuAR  Yea man, my Toxin ain't doing the work it once did for me.
To have and actual AR that assaults things you have to use the officer AR+¿s and that is just impractical
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Zindorak
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.21 14:04:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Breach AR killed the Caldari Scout meta, and and RR meta ALL IN ONE UPDATE
No, leave the breach AR where it is. I'd rather be killed by BrARs all day than caldari scouts and RRs
Good Caldari scouts are only for people who need the broken hitbox to compensate for their bad gun game
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:53:00 -
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You guys do realize that the "assault" rifle is more of a defensive weapon right? In most cases shield roles get gunned down running into an area defended by gallente assaults, scouts, and commandos with breach AR's. The only guys assaulting points with breach AR's are strafers, and we all know that's a broken mechanic completely?!
It's working in it's primary zone as intended. You guys just don't like the idea that you can't rail your way into objective no more against nerfed weapons. Logi trains get cut down by the hard hitting breach, and it's rate of fire is slow enough to kill scouts too.
It's a good weapon in CQC, and that's all there is to it.
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Stupid Blueberry
Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm
623
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Posted - 2014.11.21 20:06:00 -
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Look at all of these people defending the breach rifle and not even complaining how the vanilla AR is utter shite...
Again, if it isn't OP, why is everyone using it instead of the standard variant?
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Myron Kundera
The Generals
113
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Posted - 2014.11.21 22:21:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:Look at all of these people defending the breach rifle and not even complaining how the vanilla AR is utter shite...
Again, if it isn't OP, why is everyone using it instead of the standard variant?
The AR is the worst rifle in the game and that's a fact. You-¦re saying that the Breach AR is OP, so, instead of making a thread about how the AR needs a buff, you-¦re proposing a nerf to the Breach AR, making it worse than the AR. Sorry mate but that just makes no sense. Instead of saying that the Breach AR needs to be "killed", make a thread about how the AR is underperfoming, needing a buff or something in those lines, but don-¦t try to make a sh*tty weapon a good one by nerfing it-¦s closest brother.
Better?
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Nirwanda Vaughns
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Posted - 2014.11.21 22:54:00 -
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breach range needs dropping to bout 50m other than that its working as supposed ot be. short range, high damage. a bolt pistol can out range it and do similar damage.
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Stupid Blueberry
Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm
624
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Posted - 2014.11.21 23:24:00 -
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Myron Kundera wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote:Look at all of these people defending the breach rifle and not even complaining how the vanilla AR is utter shite...
Again, if it isn't OP, why is everyone using it instead of the standard variant? The AR is the worst rifle in the game and that's a fact. You-¦re saying that the Breach AR is OP, so, instead of making a thread about how the AR needs a buff, you-¦re proposing a nerf to the Breach AR, making it worse than the AR. Sorry mate but that just makes no sense. Instead of saying that the Breach AR needs to be "killed", make a thread about how the AR is underperfoming, needing a buff or something in those lines, but don-¦t try to make a sh*tty weapon a good one by nerfing it-¦s closest brother. Better?
Because the Breach AR's over performance is a bigger problem than the AR underperforming. And the AR is not the worst weapon in the game, see the Rail Rifle. I'm sensing some bias from you.
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Oceltot Mortalis
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Posted - 2014.11.21 23:30:00 -
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The BAR won't be nerfed until the RR is nerfed.
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Stupid Blueberry
Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm
624
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Posted - 2014.11.21 23:31:00 -
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Oceltot Mortalis wrote:The BAR won't be nerfed until the RR is nerfed.
More people living under a rock.
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