DUST Search - I don't think I want to try FW again..

Ripley Riley wrote:

Chris Adrell wrote:

It's bad enough Public Contracts is squads of protostompers..but I get it. You gotta proto in FW..you Molon Labe. folks will never see me again there, when your nova knives are longer ranger than a fricking Dark Souls spear..

Done.

But, no, from FW I found out I am useless, no matter my role, because I don't buy AURUM suits, don't buy Veteran status, and just cannot decide on a role. No role "works" for me. Curse of games like these :(

GG. Think I'm just about done..no, it's impossible to play by its rules, when its rules has nothing in common with me..

Couple things...

FW is "mid-game content" in Dust 514. As such, you should be squadding up with the best fittings you can afford to run. Try to solo in FW and you will have a hard time. What FW were you trying to do? Every faction has channels to find squads in. Locate that channel, join it.

You were probably useless because you were alone. Lone mercs are basically wasted clones; easy pickings for cloaked up scouts and HMG sentinels.

Spending aurum had little to nothing to do with you losing. Your gun game may be poor or you were running a shitfit. What kind of fitting did you use?

Finally, NK range is 2.5m

P.S. - Raging on the forums will just earn you a reputation as a teary-eyed dipshit. Most people will just find you hilarious. Some will pity your inability to cope with losing in a video game. Your little Molon Labe comment probably gave everyone in that corp a chubby.

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Chris Adrell Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:07:00 - [1] - Quote It's bad enough Public Contracts is squads of protostompers..but I get it. You gotta proto in FW..you Molon Labe. folks will never see me again there, when your nova knives are longer ranger than a fricking Dark Souls spear.. Done. But, no, from FW I found out I am useless, no matter my role, because I don't buy AURUM suits, don't buy Veteran status, and just cannot decide on a role. No role "works" for me. Curse of games like these :( GG. Think I'm just about done..no, it's impossible to play by its rules, when its rules has nothing in common with me..
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4922	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:25:00 - [2] - Quote Chris Adrell wrote: It's bad enough Public Contracts is squads of protostompers..but I get it. You gotta proto in FW..you Molon Labe. folks will never see me again there, when your nova knives are longer ranger than a fricking Dark Souls spear.. Done. But, no, from FW I found out I am useless, no matter my role, because I don't buy AURUM suits, don't buy Veteran status, and just cannot decide on a role. No role "works" for me. Curse of games like these :( GG. Think I'm just about done..no, it's impossible to play by its rules, when its rules has nothing in common with me.. Couple things... FW is "mid-game content" in Dust 514. As such, you should be squadding up with the best fittings you can afford to run. Try to solo in FW and you will have a hard time. What FW were you trying to do? Every faction has channels to find squads in. Locate that channel, join it. You were probably useless because you were alone. Lone mercs are basically wasted clones; easy pickings for cloaked up scouts and HMG sentinels. Spending aurum had little to nothing to do with you losing. Your gun game may be poor or you were running a shitfit. What kind of fitting did you use? Finally, NK range is 2.5m My advice to you, playa...
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 207	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:28:00 - [3] - Quote ....or you could just join us and reap the benefits of coordinated teamwork? Not that I would know about it, I usually run solo work. On a serious note, of all the things you point fingers at it's NK range? It's like 2.5 meters (unrealistic? A bit. Broken? Not really) and peeps still have to be kissing your helmet to make sure both strikes connect. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Salvation...through Annihilation
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17746	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:33:00 - [4] - Quote Teamwork is nearly a must in FW. I solo there just being as masochist and trying to figure out how to take on more organized squads by my lonesome. Though slowly learning. Also run militia fits if you can keeps the costs low. Or be similar to me and use the isk from pubs to blow it out in fw in style. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Chris Adrell Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:34:00 - [5] - Quote Savage Mangler wrote: ....or you could just join us and reap the benefits of coordinated teamwork? Not that I would know about it, I usually run solo work. On a serious note, of all the things you point fingers at it's NK range? It's like 2.5 meters (unrealistic? A bit. Broken? Not really) and peeps still have to be kissing your helmet to make sure both strikes connect. EDIT: Ninja'd via Ripley I was attacked beyond that range by a single dropsuit with NK's :( maybe it was lag..? And that would be the only thing I COULD complain about. People got in their heads, complaints=witch=burn at stake.. And buying and spending AUR gives SP..which is 100% required..so yes, it mattered. Maybe not the most. I just think I am done, or maybe need a break. THis game gets aggravating, just because of the "design" of it.. and join someone? No mic and it wil REMAIN THAT WAY. I should not have to spend money, period, on a "F2p" game. I'd sooner move on to another game worth time, than spend money on a mic. If you require microphones, forget it. I won't have one. And none of this, "oh how do you expect to communicate with people"? screw it. SCREW IT..if it requires payment in any way shape or form to expect a baseline quality of play, it's not f2p..it's just not. comms devices are no exception. (And someone posted as I'm posting this)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14769	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:37:00 - [6] - Quote If you are looking into Amarr and Caldari FW there is no reason why you cannot ask for help in channels like PIE Ground Control, Kirjuun Heiian, Z Platoon, and Amarr 1. There are usually players running squads , not necessarily Sync's, who are more than willing to take you on and help you get what you want out of the game. "The moment passed in thunder and calamitous intent and yet no order was given to retreat or give their ground"
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1651	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:39:00 - [7] - Quote I made a thread about this in features and ideas, I'm increasingly worried by the 'status quo' of FW. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4923	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:42:00 - [8] - Quote Chris Adrell wrote: And buying and spending AUR gives SP..which is 100% required..so yes, it mattered. Maybe not the most. Playing in matches also earns you SP. So does logging in daily. Boosters are not required. They might get you into a certain piece of gear a week faster, but you could just as easily play another match a day and not spend a dime. Chris Adrell wrote: and join someone? No mic and it wil REMAIN THAT WAY. I should not have to spend money, period, on a "F2p" game. I'd sooner move on to another game worth time, than spend money on a mic. If you require microphones, forget it. I won't have one. And none of this, "oh how do you expect to communicate with people"? screw it. SCREW IT..if it requires payment in any way shape or form to expect a baseline quality of play, it's not f2p..it's just not. comms devices are no exception. Then don't buy a mic... when I say you had to buy a mic? I just said get into a squad. Pay attention and you might learn something. Get in a squad, just listen to people who are on comms and your chances of survival increase sharply in FW. Even without comms you can see your squadmates' passive scans and you get bonus WP's for working towards the squad leader's orders. My advice to you, playa...
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 208	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:45:00 - [9] - Quote Chris Adrell wrote: Savage Mangler wrote: ....or you could just join us and reap the benefits of coordinated teamwork? Not that I would know about it, I usually run solo work. On a serious note, of all the things you point fingers at it's NK range? It's like 2.5 meters (unrealistic? A bit. Broken? Not really) and peeps still have to be kissing your helmet to make sure both strikes connect. EDIT: Ninja'd via Ripley I was attacked beyond that range by a single dropsuit with NK's :( maybe it was lag..? And that would be the only thing I COULD complain about. People got in their heads, complaints=witch=burn at stake.. And buying and spending AUR gives SP..which is 100% required..so yes, it mattered. Maybe not the most. I just think I am done, or maybe need a break. THis game gets aggravating, just because of the "design" of it.. and join someone? No mic and it wil REMAIN THAT WAY. I should not have to spend money, period, on a "F2p" game. I'd sooner move on to another game worth time, than spend money on a mic. If you require microphones, forget it. I won't have one. And none of this, "oh how do you expect to communicate with people"? screw it. SCREW IT..if it requires payment in any way shape or form to expect a baseline quality of play, it's not f2p..it's just not. comms devices are no exception. (And someone posted as I'm posting this) No mic here either mate, it's at my girl's place and my other one is broken. Sticking with your greenies is more important than being able talk to them. Bonus sp via rank is what...10% for big time vets? That's 1 extra sp per 10 and maybe 200-300 more for staying the course for a whole match. Not exactly awe inspiring. Boosters on the other hand? More "problematic". Seriously though, take a break and come back. It makes a world of difference. Go drop $2 and rent Destiny from Redbox and enjoy the soothing PvE and comparatively better balanced PvP for a bit. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Salvation...through Annihilation
Chris Adrell Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:45:00 - [10] - Quote Alright I'll explain a bit more. I did honestly fail to do this. I wanted to get my feet wet. I wasn't being serious about that FW match. I queued for all four factions, and the team I got was pretty poor, all around. I was about middle in terms of WP..and our highest was 2k SP with 1 kill. Probably either booster(not enough proof to report, as I never saw another teammate except ONCE), or logi..which, to his credit, there were multiple spawn points. If this is "mid game", been there done that. Publics were both harder and easier. This? Literal waste of time. Oh well.

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4923	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:48:00 - [11] - Quote Chris Adrell wrote: I wanted to get my feet wet. I wasn't being serious about that FW match. I queued for all four factions, and the team I got was pretty poor, all around. I was about middle in terms of WP..and our highest was 2k SP with 1 kill. Probably either booster(not enough proof to report, as I never saw another teammate except ONCE), or logi..which, to his credit, there were multiple spawn points. If this is "mid game", been there done that. Publics were both harder and easier. This? Literal waste of time. Oh well. You had one bad match in FW and you got discouraged? You are deeming FW a waste of time because you, an admittedly solo player who is unwilling to cooperate with a squad or join a FW channel, lost a SINGLE match? I can't type through the laughter. My sides. My advice to you, playa...
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 208	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:50:00 - [12] - Quote What faction did you end up fighting for? Certain factions draw different levels of skill level depending on time of day. I've done Gal before and gotten topnotch teammates and **** poor caldari bullet magnets during one part of the day and hours later watch my team fall apart like paper mache in rain. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Salvation...through Annihilation
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14770	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:51:00 - [13] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I made a thread about this in features and ideas, I'm increasingly worried by the 'status quo' of FW. Patrols are a great idea IMO having the ability to donate LP to "Priority Nodes" both EVE and Dust 514 side to dictate specific systems for Patrol Conflict in will go a long way to reducing how often an organised squad goes against a Synced squad against a disorganised team as long as those soloists do not start Queing for those matches. Moreover it lets people who actually care fight where they need to for the sake of EVE pilots. However there is no reason to hinder the rate at which Synced teams can deploy to these kinds of battles. There is no reason to penalise in any respect team work and organisation skills because X number of players refuse to get their **** together. If a team then cannot Q against a Synced team following the "Priority Que" then there is no reason why that Synced team should not deploy to the match with no opposition in the same way a fleet might hold a plex EVE side with no enemy interaction. My only concern with your suggestion is it somewhat shafts organised players and loyalists who want to go into a match and fight. If no other Sync is available who then do we fight? Randoms in the same way as now? No one? Who? "The moment passed in thunder and calamitous intent and yet no order was given to retreat or give their ground"
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 3229	Posted - 2014.11.18 21:54:00 - [14] - Quote Spears are nothing, katana lunge attack beats everything.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14771	Posted - 2014.11.18 22:12:00 - [15] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Spears are nothing, katana lunge attack beats everything. No it doesn't...... you just get a Sarrisa (Yari, Naginata, Hasta, Halderd, Pike, Lance, etc) blade to the face......... or run through the guts. The spear is the superior weapon. "The moment passed in thunder and calamitous intent and yet no order was given to retreat or give their ground"
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8039	Posted - 2014.11.18 22:16:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: shaman oga wrote: Spears are nothing, katana lunge attack beats everything. No it doesn't...... you just get a Sarrisa (Yari, Naginata, Hasta, Halderd, Pike, Lance, etc) blade to the face......... or run through the guts. The spear is the superior weapon. Range is the superior weapon. Bows beat spears Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 323	Posted - 2014.11.18 22:22:00 - [17] - Quote Something that might work out for you is choosing a role and sticking to it the whole match like if you start as a slayer play slayer the rest of the match. If you are playing droplinks and AV stick to it if you are defending a point defend it. You have to remember you can't do everything and you have to leave other things to the rest of your team win or lose. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
The Master Race Immortal Guides 323	Posted - 2014.11.18 22:22:00 - [18] - Quote Something that might work out for you is choosing a role and sticking to it the whole match like if you start as a slayer play slayer the rest of the match. If you are playing droplinks and AV stick to it if you are defending a point defend it. You have to remember you can't do everything and you have to leave other things to the rest of your team win or lose. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Mex-0 162	Posted - 2014.11.18 22:25:00 - [19] - Quote Chris Adrell wrote: It's bad enough Public Contracts is squads of protostompers..but I get it. You gotta proto in FW..you Molon Labe. folks will never see me again there, when your nova knives are longer ranger than a fricking Dark Souls spear.. Done. But, no, from FW I found out I am useless, no matter my role, because I don't buy AURUM suits, don't buy Veteran status, and just cannot decide on a role. No role "works" for me. Curse of games like these :( GG. Think I'm just about done..no, it's impossible to play by its rules, when its rules has nothing in common with me.. 3 words. git. gud. scrub. have a nice day! MINJA
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 333	Posted - 2014.11.18 22:33:00 - [20] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: True Adamance wrote: shaman oga wrote: Spears are nothing, katana lunge attack beats everything. No it doesn't...... you just get a Sarrisa (Yari, Naginata, Hasta, Halderd, Pike, Lance, etc) blade to the face......... or run through the guts. The spear is the superior weapon. Range is the superior weapon. Bows beat spears Sniper rifles beat bows also @OP Caldari has a bunch of newberries who don't know anything fighting for them, then you have the more 'trained' loyalists Gallente has the FotM and the Tryhard corps move over to there for everyone to get FotM and win... Amarr has a good side, but some Awoxers Minmatar is okay, but seems to be slowly dying. I ask that you aid the Caldari as we need the help when going against several Tryhard corps (Not going to single anyone out) Perhaps you should read up on the lore a bit if you want to chose a side without regret. (I was once Gallente, now I'm Caldari) *"There is only one thing I regret, that is only giving one life to my state." - Viktor Revon*

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14772	Posted - 2014.11.18 22:37:00 - [21] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: True Adamance wrote: shaman oga wrote: Spears are nothing, katana lunge attack beats everything. No it doesn't...... you just get a Sarrisa (Yari, Naginata, Hasta, Halderd, Pike, Lance, etc) blade to the face......... or run through the guts. The spear is the superior weapon. Range is the superior weapon. Bows beat spears A small number are worth having but never as a main stay. One command of Cavalry gets into your lines, or your oppositions battle line nears yours and you are *****. I'd rather have a few commands of Matchlock soldiers with arabesques out on the front lines or the flanks. "The moment passed in thunder and calamitous intent and yet no order was given to retreat or give their ground"*
Chris Adrell Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2014.11.18 22:58:00 - [22] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Something that might work out for you is choosing a role and sticking to it the whole match like if you start as a slayer play slayer the rest of the match. If you are playing droplinks and AV stick to it if you are defending a point defend it. You have to remember you can't do everything and you have to leave other things to the rest of your team win or lose. Be a single piece in a Tetris puzzle? Won't win matches, but, ok. Actually I see, I need to play a role..and let everyone else handle others. Thing is, if the role doesn't give WP it doesn't matter Mex-0 wrote: 3 words. git. gud. scrub. have a nice day! Most corp-less alts I see are just trash trolls, so..who are you? Oh, that fly on the wall I haven't gotten rid of. Hi, annoyance!
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2197	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:02:00 - [23] - Quote If you can't beat us, OP, join us. Fire up your mic and come to channel XMLX -- we have been queue syncing FW for a while now in that channel. All are welcome, provided you are not unruly.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14777	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:08:00 - [24] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: If you can't beat us, OP, join us. Fire up your mic and come to channel XMLX -- we have been queue syncing FW for a while now in that channel. All are welcome, provided you are not unruly. Who do you guys sync for by the way..... you need some serious consistency. "The moment passed in thunder and calamitous intent and yet no order was given to retreat or give their ground"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5958	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:27:00 - [25] - Quote FW isn't the problem. It is the significant imbalance in Pub matches that is the problem. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Michael Arck 6050	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:38:00 - [26] - Quote Shame. But the truth is you need better connections. Network with people to be able to walk in FW with a squad. It is pretty bad out there though. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14785	Posted - 2014.11.18 23:50:00 - [27] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Shame. But the truth is you need better connections. Network with people to be able to walk in FW with a squad. It is pretty bad out there though. Remember how it was for the Amarr Militia last year..... and back then we didn't even get LP. "The moment passed in thunder and calamitous intent and yet no order was given to retreat or give their ground"
Operative 1174 Uuali the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 99	Posted - 2014.11.19 00:47:00 - [28] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Chris Adrell wrote: It's bad enough Public Contracts is squads of protostompers..but I get it. You gotta proto in FW..you Molon Labe. folks will never see me again there, when your nova knives are longer ranger than a fricking Dark Souls spear.. Done. But, no, from FW I found out I am useless, no matter my role, because I don't buy AURUM suits, don't buy Veteran status, and just cannot decide on a role. No role "works" for me. Curse of games like these :( GG. Think I'm just about done..no, it's impossible to play by its rules, when its rules has nothing in common with me.. Couple things... FW is "mid-game content" in Dust 514. As such, you should be squadding up with the best fittings you can afford to run. Try to solo in FW and you will have a hard time. What FW were you trying to do? Every faction has channels to find squads in. Locate that channel, join it. You were probably useless because you were alone. Lone mercs are basically wasted clones; easy pickings for cloaked up scouts and HMG sentinels. Spending aurum had little to nothing to do with you losing. Your gun game may be poor or you were running a shitfit. What kind of fitting did you use? Finally, NK range is 2.5m P.S. - Raging on the forums will just earn you a reputation as a teary-eyed dipshit. Most people will just find you hilarious. Some will pity your inability to cope with losing in a video game. Your little Molon Labe comment probably gave everyone in that corp a chubby. Funny, FW in EVE is for new players without much skills yet. It is for instant pvp. Don't know what happened with FW in DUST that it ended up being perceived to be for the leet vets. Oh well, same reason FW failed in EVE. It allows people to still exploit the system and destroy the original intent. What can I sayGÇª CCP. FW should be the place new players can go and be matched according to restrictions. Pubs can then be the place for meta free for alls. That way even with such a small player population, matchmaking restrictions would work. You either have better matches through exclusivity yet longer waits or worse matches via no restrictions and fast queues. As it is you wait longer to be stomped more or wait less to be stomped more. It'd be easier to control FW than to control pubs since pubs is perceived to be the go to mode for most players. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14795	Posted - 2014.11.19 01:01:00 - [29] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Funny, FW in EVE is for new players without much skills yet. It is for instant pvp. Don't know what happened with FW in DUST that it ended up being perceived to be for the leet vets. Oh well, same reason FW failed in EVE. It allows people to still exploit the system and destroy the original intent. What can I sayGÇª CCP. FW should be the place new players can go and be matched according to restrictions. Pubs can then be the place for meta free for alls. That way even with such a small player population, matchmaking restrictions would work. You either have better matches through exclusivity yet longer waits or worse matches via no restrictions and fast queues. As it is you wait longer to be stomped more or wait less to be stomped more. It'd be easier to control FW than to control pubs since pubs is perceived to be the go to mode for most players. I do take issue with that somewhat. Many corps in EVE have made FW the primary zone/sphere of PvP for a very long time and consistently engage in relatively high levels/tiers of gameplay. Personally I see no need to shoe horn FW into a newbie, or veterans game mode. It's simply a place where under the lawless banner of Low Sec space, within the bounds of certain mechanics, like Plexes and Missions players can earn LP and fight one another. In EVE those mechanics allow for large groups to fly around in systems effectively laying claim to them, if you can't step up you ship out. Consequently you also can flit around in FW respectably engaging in solo PvP or ratting, or mission running. I suppose in some respects this is where New Players earn their stripes. Tricky thing is I can see no reason why players who wish to organise themselves and fight their way around the warzone looking for "Good Fights" should not be able to. At the same time I cannot argue a reason why individual players should be forced to when the Que Fight against squads. EVE side it would be a matter of "Oh well I can't beat em I'll go somewhere else" an off you fly to find another quiet place, but in Dust players are under the impression they are entitled to something (I suppose than includes myself as well) and don't want to re-Que or find another place mainly because they cannot select of their own choice another place to go. "The moment passed in thunder and calamitous intent and yet no order was given to retreat or give their ground"
Koch Rosenzweig Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 88	Posted - 2014.11.19 01:09:00 - [30] - Quote Sucks when you have to wait atleast 5 mins to join in a FW. But this sucks much more Caldari & Amarr FW - 10 seconds to join time to see the enemies WTF 2 squads of Fatal Ab/ Vengeance/ Molon. Now when you try to go with the stomp team "Estimated time 3:48" but it never happens. *Slap in your biotic ass.*



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