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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.15 16:47:00 -
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So I've done Minmatar FW on and off over the past year or so mainly because corp members and friends had wanted to do it. Until recently it had been a long time since I even touched any FW.
Obviously I have been playing again recently and it has made me realise that FW is at times a complete waste of time.
I might as well AFK through matches as if we dont win then my efforts mean nothing other than extra lost isk.
I propose the following:
Keep the higher LP pay outs for the winning faction however directly tie WP to extra LP and crucially - extra standings gains at the end of a battle regardless of if you win or lose.
Otherwise I am just going to AFK as my efforts are meaningless.
"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones"
"Guns for show, Knives for a pro"
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
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Cheydinhal Guard
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
256
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Posted - 2014.11.15 17:26:00 -
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You play Min FW too? For some reason every Min match i get into is a complete stomp by the Amarrians. Min blueberries are almost as bad as Cal blueberries.
Be the mercenary of tomorrow, today. Go beyond with Aurum!
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
5404
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Posted - 2014.11.15 17:36:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:So I've done Minmatar FW on and off over the past year or so mainly because corp members and friends had wanted to do it. Until recently it had been a long time since I even touched any FW.
Obviously I have been playing again recently and it has made me realise that FW is at times a complete waste of time.
I might as well AFK through matches as if we dont win then my efforts mean nothing other than extra lost isk.
I propose the following:
Keep the higher LP pay outs for the winning faction however directly tie WP to extra LP and crucially - extra standings gains at the end of a battle regardless of if you win or lose.
Otherwise I am just going to AFK as my efforts are meaningless.
I've been in FW a long timeGǪ except for a big break shortly after the LP store went inGǪ as wait times got ridiculous.
What I've noticed is sometimes you get a strong start GǪ but as soon as one team decides that they won't win they stop doingGǪ
a n y t h i n g
I was thinking that perhaps a small rank increase to the top 5-10 players on the losing side may add incentive to keep a match running rather than having MCC siestas halfway through the match.
Added LP is also a good option.
MOAR Ladders
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Henrietta Unknown
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
473
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Posted - 2014.11.15 17:39:00 -
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When the team decides to quit trying, it's usually because they're berries. Competent squads and Q-syncs never falter.
Give the Magsex some love.
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
286
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Posted - 2014.11.15 17:43:00 -
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It would promote boosting. A min score for points would be a better choice I think... of course some match making would be amazing.
The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
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Foehammerr
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
108
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Posted - 2014.11.15 17:47:00 -
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I'll keep that in mind, and I'll make sure you lose a few suits in the MCC as well. We all spend something in FW and you're no exception. All in or nothing.
Rangers Lead The Way!
Beta Vet since 2/5/2013
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
5404
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Posted - 2014.11.15 17:48:00 -
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Henrietta Unknown wrote:When the team decides to quit trying, it's usually because they're berries. Competent squads and Q-syncs never falter.
Not from what I've seen. I've been in matches where PC corps have given up at the half way point.
Could be to protect KDR
Could be because there is no incentive to keep the push on.
Could be they feel that they don't want to "carry the team" because "blueberries"
I don't know why, probably a mix of these things and more that I am overlooking, but it does happen.
MOAR Ladders
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Henrietta Unknown
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
473
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Posted - 2014.11.15 17:50:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Henrietta Unknown wrote:When the team decides to quit trying, it's usually because they're berries. Competent squads and Q-syncs never falter. Not from what I've seen. I've been in matches where PC corps have given up at the half way point. Could be to protect KDR Could be because there is no incentive to keep the push on. Could be they feel that they don't want to "carry the team" because "blueberries" I don't know why, probably a mix of these things and more that I am overlooking, but it does happen.
Then they are not competent, and should not be in FW in the first place.
Victory > KDR in my book.
Give the Magsex some love.
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Riptalis
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
82
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Posted - 2014.11.15 17:54:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:So I've done Minmatar FW on and off over the past year or so mainly because corp members and friends had wanted to do it. Until recently it had been a long time since I even touched any FW.
Obviously I have been playing again recently and it has made me realise that FW is at times a complete waste of time.
I might as well AFK through matches as if we dont win then my efforts mean nothing other than extra lost isk.
I propose the following:
Keep the higher LP pay outs for the winning faction however directly tie WP to extra LP and crucially - extra standings gains at the end of a battle regardless of if you win or lose.
Otherwise I am just going to AFK as my efforts are meaningless.
There were times where we could've won IF our team kept pushing the objective!
But yeah, an increase is definetly needed.
Python pilot
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
2459
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Posted - 2014.11.15 18:10:00 -
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Foehammerr wrote:I'll keep that in mind, and I'll make sure you lose a few suits in the MCC as well. We all spend something in FW and you're no exception. All in or nothing.
Mate I always usually try no matter the odds however when there is litterally 0 point to trying I am going to save myself the hassle. (Read when put against 8+ Nyain san or who ever....I didn't want this to be about hard matches because I totally accept that)
That being said, I would love to know what you plan to do to a free suit in an MCC.
All I am asking for is that people who DO try are at least rewarded. I bleed for my faction and dont even get a small standings increase? Yea I'm not down with that.
"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones"
"Guns for show, Knives for a pro"
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
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Crimson ShieId
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1381
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Posted - 2014.11.15 18:15:00 -
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Sounds like you need to jump in some chat channels and start a squad. Playing solo in FW just isn't going to cut it, you need a halfway decent squad or team to have a chance.
I want to punch.
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
827
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Posted - 2014.11.15 18:34:00 -
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I thought you were going to share an evil team kill...
Yesterday, I saw this blueberry setting up his jihad jeep, and he was so close to being finished...
Then I shot one of the REs
Quafe
A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does,
So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7862
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Posted - 2014.11.15 20:11:00 -
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Cheydinhal Guard wrote:You play Min FW too? For some reason every Min match i get into is a complete stomp by the Amarrians. Min blueberries are almost as bad as Cal blueberries.
Matari Militia can count it's losses on it's fingers.
Join the militia today.
Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in!
FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
13744
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Posted - 2014.11.15 20:15:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Cheydinhal Guard wrote:You play Min FW too? For some reason every Min match i get into is a complete stomp by the Amarrians. Min blueberries are almost as bad as Cal blueberries. Matari Militia can count it's losses on it's fingers. Join the militia today.
My losses are only 3 since I've worked with the MM, meaning even my Cat could. 
The 1st Matari Commando
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232
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Posted - 2014.11.15 21:34:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:So I've done Minmatar FW on and off over the past year or so mainly because corp members and friends had wanted to do it. Until recently it had been a long time since I even touched any FW.
Obviously I have been playing again recently and it has made me realise that FW is at times a complete waste of time.
I might as well AFK through matches as if we dont win then my efforts mean nothing other than extra lost isk.
I propose the following:
Keep the higher LP pay outs for the winning faction however directly tie WP to extra LP and crucially - extra standings gains at the end of a battle regardless of if you win or lose.
Otherwise I am just going to AFK as my efforts are meaningless.
I've been in FW a long timeGǪ except for a big break shortly after the LP store went inGǪ as wait times got ridiculous. What I've noticed is sometimes you get a strong start GǪ but as soon as one team decides that they won't win they stop doingGǪ a n y t h i n g I was thinking that perhaps a small rank increase to the top 5-10 players on the losing side may add incentive to keep a match running rather than having MCC siestas halfway through the match. Added LP is also a good option.
we still need to get salvage for what we kill. Cant tell you how many times ive killed full protos at least 10 times to turn out at the end of the match with a bunch of mlt-adv stuff and it pisses me ofd to know that some random blue that sat there and did nothung got the proto **** I killed not him.
"Stop it the bouncing is making me uncomfortable" - Senji/Crow
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Vesperz
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
155
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Posted - 2014.11.15 21:39:00 -
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I can't seem to get into any Min matches lately. Is there a Min FW channel up and running? 
"Live by honor, kill by stealth."
Gal Scout since 1.0, Min Scout since 1.1
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1614
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Posted - 2014.11.15 22:09:00 -
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Made a proposal a long time ago where every 10wp earned = 1% increased payout and every 50wp = +1 standing, regardless of win or loss.
This was with old payouts though
So 1000 wp = 100% increased payout and +20 standing
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
5282
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Posted - 2014.11.15 22:16:00 -
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I've won like 30 min matches in a row. Sitting on 98K LP.
Join xmlx and sync some battles with or against.
I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7895
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Posted - 2014.11.15 22:23:00 -
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Vesperz wrote:I can't seem to get into any Min matches lately. Is there a Min FW channel up and running?
xmlx or Matari Militia.
Matari Militia is password protected, message me for the inv.
Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in!
FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
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Aria Gomes
Wirykomi Wolf Pack
678
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Posted - 2014.11.15 22:26:00 -
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I remember when Min FW life was easy peasy. I guess that all changed when the Amarr nation attacked. :P
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Dreis Shadowweaver
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
638
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Posted - 2014.11.15 22:29:00 -
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Cheydinhal Guard wrote:You play Min FW too? For some reason every Min match i get into is a complete stomp by the Amarrians. Min blueberries are almost as bad as Cal blueberries.
 Were you lonewolfing?
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
I survived 1.8!
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
Interregnum.
422
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Posted - 2014.11.15 22:45:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:So I've done Minmatar FW on and off over the past year or so mainly because corp members and friends had wanted to do it. Until recently it had been a long time since I even touched any FW.
Obviously I have been playing again recently and it has made me realise that FW is at times a complete waste of time.
I might as well AFK through matches as if we dont win then my efforts mean nothing other than extra lost isk.
I propose the following:
Keep the higher LP pay outs for the winning faction however directly tie WP to extra LP and crucially - extra standings gains at the end of a battle regardless of if you win or lose.
Otherwise I am just going to AFK as my efforts are meaningless.
You are right.
The worst moment is when opposite team redline your team - at this point there is no reason to even try push them back, you end up in this situation because your team do not have 'players' to hold damn point so even trying to capture CRU is pointless - WP are pointless. Win or nothing.
Gallente Speed Scout.
EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
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General Mosquito
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.11.16 03:13:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:
All I am asking for is that people who DO try are at least rewarded. I bleed for my faction and dont even get a small standings increase? Yea I'm not down with that.
Why do you need a participation medal? Are you a 6 year old playing in a sports league?
You failed, why should you get paid for not being as good as the people who beat you?
Don't like it, continue to be a pubscrub.
General Butt Naked - Biomassed
The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned
Only 9 more alts to go.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
2379
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Posted - 2014.11.16 03:22:00 -
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Been having fun driving around in a clown car, jumping out as a heavy pair in FW.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
2474
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Posted - 2014.11.16 12:19:00 -
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General Mosquito wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:
All I am asking for is that people who DO try are at least rewarded. I bleed for my faction and dont even get a small standings increase? Yea I'm not down with that.
Why do you need a participation medal? Are you a 6 year old playing in a sports league? You failed, why should you get paid for not being as good as the people who beat you? Don't like it, continue to be a pubscrub.
Then why bother trying in FW? I might as well AFK as I receive the same rewards. Getting on your high horse about this wont help. I am merely pointing out that if you want people to actually do something, they need an incentive EVEN IF they are going to lose.
Hell some FW matches there are 3-4 people AFK. Well there will be one more joining them.
"Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones"
"Guns for show, Knives for a pro"
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
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General Mosquito
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.11.16 16:04:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:
Then why bother trying in FW? I might as well AFK as I receive the same rewards. Getting on your high horse about this wont help. I am merely pointing out that if you want people to actually do something, they need an incentive EVEN IF they are going to lose.
Hell some FW matches there are 3-4 people AFK. Well there will be one more joining them.
You try in FW because you care about the faction.
You try in FW because you hope you will find a similarly motivated team on the other side and can have better matches than are on offer in pub matches.
You want a reward for being a loser? Play pub matches.
You demand compensation for not being able to get the job done? Pub matches.
I don't need to be on a high horse, I'm just a normal player. I play to win, or else I wouldn't play. You on the other hand seem to play for rewards only, to inflate your ego in some form. I pity you, but I will still point out that you are the problem, not the lack of rewards for losers in FW.
Losers shouldn't get anything in New Eden.
General Butt Naked - Biomassed
The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned
Only 9 more alts to go.
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
296
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Posted - 2014.11.16 16:10:00 -
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I have never seen any of these names in FW before the suites lol when I would que 30+min for a match this whole situation is such a joke.
The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
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The Master Race
Immortal Guides
322
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Posted - 2014.11.16 16:10:00 -
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I have never seen any of these names in FW before the suites lol when I would que 30+min for a match this whole situation is such a joke.
The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
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Flint Beastgood III
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
919
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Posted - 2014.11.17 18:33:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:So I've done Minmatar FW on and off over the past year or so mainly because corp members and friends had wanted to do it. Until recently it had been a long time since I even touched any FW.
Obviously I have been playing again recently and it has made me realise that FW is at times a complete waste of time.
I might as well AFK through matches as if we dont win then my efforts mean nothing other than extra lost isk.
I propose the following:
Keep the higher LP pay outs for the winning faction however directly tie WP to extra LP and crucially - extra standings gains at the end of a battle regardless of if you win or lose.
Otherwise I am just going to AFK as my efforts are meaningless.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This guy gets it!
A lot of games I just decide to AFK after seeing that one side doesn't stand a chance.
Now if, like pubs, my LP was affected by my WP (& kills?) on top of whatever the faction loyalty rank pays, that would give me incentive to keep playing. And yes, there should be something that alters the standings gain, maybe the new loyalty rank bonuses for LP gain could affect standings gain too?
Yep
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
320
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:20:00 -
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I am about to do my second round of torture to see if todays patch brought anything other than the suits. I am not willing to put in another 60 matches if it is the same I will go 15-20 for this sample.
The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
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The Master Race
Immortal Guides
322
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:20:00 -
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I am about to do my second round of torture to see if todays patch brought anything other than the suits. I am not willing to put in another 60 matches if it is the same I will go 15-20 for this sample.
The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
4902
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:25:00 -
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- LFS in PIE Ground Control
- No replies after 10 minutes
- Queue for Amarr FW alone
- DEFEAT
- EoM screen displays two full squads on Minmatar side
- Examine Amarr side: a squad of three and 13 random NPC corps
- Try not to cry
- Cry
- Cry a lot
My advice to you, playa...
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Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
320
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:22:00 -
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One week of grinding and wasting about 20mil worth of suits, gained me a shiny MinmanSanta Suit...
I hate the looks, but the suit is fun...
Beware Amarrians, when santa comes to you, you might want to hide or you'll get the "driver"...
Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing...
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2195
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:30:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I've won like 30 min matches in a row. Sitting on 98K LP.
Join xmlx and sync some battles with or against.
FYI, for those not familiar, we go round-robin in XMLX -- from Am to Min to Cal to Gal. |
Henrietta Unknown
Kirjuun Heiian
485
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:34:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:- LFS in PIE Ground Control
- No replies after 10 minutes
- Queue for Amarr FW alone
- DEFEAT
- EoM screen displays two full squads on Minmatar side
- Examine Amarr side: a squad of three and 13 random NPC corps
- Try not to cry
- Cry
- Cry a lot
Try Amarr1. PIE almost never responds to squad requests; only location for orbitals.
Give the Magsex some love.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
4907
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:34:00 -
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Henrietta Unknown wrote:Try Amarr1. PIE almost never responds to squad requests; only location for orbitals. The one time I joined Amarr1 is was a bit of a clusterfuck. It may have been the people online at the time. I'll try it again.
My advice to you, playa...
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Kayla Michael
Tactical Logistics and Cargo
Northern Associates.
28
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:38:00 -
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WHICH I totally understand your frustration, but if everyone collectively has the likeminded mentality that also creates a losing team. So I guess it is being stuck between a rock and a hard place. FW is quite aggravating... |
Henrietta Unknown
Kirjuun Heiian
485
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:40:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Henrietta Unknown wrote:Try Amarr1. PIE almost never responds to squad requests; only location for orbitals. The one time I joined Amarr1 is was a bit of a clusterfuck. It may have been the people online at the time. I'll try it again.
Duboi? Yeah, he screwed up in the early stages, but lately his coordinated attempts have taken their toll on the Minmatar.
Give the Magsex some love.
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:47:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:So I've done Minmatar FW on and off over the past year or so mainly because corp members and friends had wanted to do it. Until recently it had been a long time since I even touched any FW.
Obviously I have been playing again recently and it has made me realise that FW is at times a complete waste of time.
I might as well AFK through matches as if we dont win then my efforts mean nothing other than extra lost isk.
I propose the following:
Keep the higher LP pay outs for the winning faction however directly tie WP to extra LP and crucially - extra standings gains at the end of a battle regardless of if you win or lose.
Otherwise I am just going to AFK as my efforts are meaningless.
I've been in FW a long timeGǪ except for a big break shortly after the LP store went inGǪ as wait times got ridiculous. What I've noticed is sometimes you get a strong start GǪ but as soon as one team decides that they won't win they stop doingGǪ a n y t h i n g I was thinking that perhaps a small rank increase to the top 5-10 players on the losing side may add incentive to keep a match running rather than having MCC siestas halfway through the match. Added LP is also a good option.
The reason when one team decides they won't win they don't do anything is simple shotty payouts ****** risk vs reward system both in fw and pubs AFKing is rampant ...because when the **** hots the fan it's not worth putting up a fight
Now for example it was like that first day of 1.9 but toned down ..i would be willing to fight alone with 15 AFKing random vs a full serious team..because I would be rewarded
I had tines that day where the highest killed under me had 5 kills where as I was over 30..we lose I make some decent pay as the only try hard on my team ..
But right now ..If you lose you get ****..no matter how well you perform compared to the rest if your team ..so once you know it's a loss ..why do anything but afk?
Once you know you've lost you know exactly how much isk or lp tour gunna get..you know nothing will change that..hell even if you were on the other side being all serious and try hard you would only get slightly more ..
What's the point in doing anything other than AFKing out ur cap in dust and going to play a different game with a balanced risk vs rewards system
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4571
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Posted - 2014.11.18 16:06:00 -
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Regarding the OP, I've suggested for a long time, particularly when the state of Amarr FW was pretty sad and our blueberries were not much of an improvement on Caldari, that there should be a reward for fighing well on the losing side. There were numerous occasions on which I would have more WP and more kills than the bottom 6 people on the leaderboard combined and I'm frankly just not that good.
My suggestion would be if you lose but:
- Finish in the top 3 and have more than 750 WP or
- Have more than 1000 WP regardless of where you end up
You should get a small standings increase, maybe 25 points. A lore based reason is that the factions would not want to risk losing their best soldiers and so would reward those who fought well against insurmountable odds. Makes as much sense as giving full payment to someone who sat around playing cards at the rear while everyone else did the work.
As for those who wish to join the Imperial Guard, three things to know:
1) Evenings in the US is when we are strongest. During the day you're likely to get a beatdown from what I've heard.
2) PIE Ground Control has very few squads "based" there (as opposed to those with a primary chat elsewhere who are in the channel to sync or get OB Support), so it can be hard to get the few openings that exist. I was literally one of the first dozen people in the channel and I can't get a squad sometimes so don't be surpised or feel excluded, it's a matter of supply and demand.
3) Amarr1 runs more squads more frequently, so it's much easier to get in, but yes it can be significantly less organized than PIE GC. Being so inclusive/active naturally lends itself to chaos and having a lower average skill level but that's just fine to recruit and train the Amarr stalwarts of tomorrow.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
321
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Posted - 2014.11.18 16:10:00 -
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That just promotes boosting lol they could just add some sort of match making so we can fight each other on somewhat even ground. The worse part is that after the player base is destroyed by this fail game play they are not coming back to FW after they afk to get their suit. If my ethics were not so hardwired I would do it myself.
The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
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The Master Race
Immortal Guides
322
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Posted - 2014.11.18 16:10:00 -
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That just promotes boosting lol they could just add some sort of match making so we can fight each other on somewhat even ground. The worse part is that after the player base is destroyed by this fail game play they are not coming back to FW after they afk to get their suit. If my ethics were not so hardwired I would do it myself.
The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Negative-Feedback
13783
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Posted - 2014.11.18 16:25:00 -
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Henrietta Unknown wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Henrietta Unknown wrote:Try Amarr1. PIE almost never responds to squad requests; only location for orbitals. The one time I joined Amarr1 is was a bit of a clusterfuck. It may have been the people online at the time. I'll try it again. Duboi? Yeah, he screwed up in the early stages, but lately his coordinated attempts have taken their toll on the Minmatar.
You mean that guy who drops OBs in the middle of nowhere?
The 1st Matari Commando
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