DUST Search - FW brought out the worst in me....

Llast 326 wrote:

CommanderBolt wrote:

So I've done Minmatar FW on and off over the past year or so mainly because corp members and friends had wanted to do it. Until recently it had been a long time since I even touched any FW.

Obviously I have been playing again recently and it has made me realise that FW is at times a complete waste of time.

I might as well AFK through matches as if we dont win then my efforts mean nothing other than extra lost isk.

I propose the following:

Keep the higher LP pay outs for the winning faction however directly tie WP to extra LP and crucially - extra standings gains at the end of a battle regardless of if you win or lose.

Otherwise I am just going to AFK as my efforts are meaningless.

I've been in FW a long timeGÇª except for a big break shortly after the LP store went inGÇª as wait times got ridiculous.
What I've noticed is sometimes you get a strong start GÇª but as soon as one team decides that they won't win they stop doingGÇª
a n y t h i n g

I was thinking that perhaps a small rank increase to the top 5-10 players on the losing side may add incentive to keep a match running rather than having MCC siestas halfway through the match.

Added LP is also a good option.

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CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2458	Posted - 2014.11.15 16:47:00 - [1] - Quote So I've done Minmatar FW on and off over the past year or so mainly because corp members and friends had wanted to do it. Until recently it had been a long time since I even touched any FW. Obviously I have been playing again recently and it has made me realise that FW is at times a complete waste of time. I might as well AFK through matches as if we dont win then my efforts mean nothing other than extra lost isk. I propose the following: Keep the higher LP pay outs for the winning faction however directly tie WP to extra LP and crucially - extra standings gains at the end of a battle regardless of if you win or lose. Otherwise I am just going to AFK as my efforts are meaningless. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Cheydinhal Guard Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 256	Posted - 2014.11.15 17:26:00 - [2] - Quote You play Min FW too? For some reason every Min match i get into is a complete stomp by the Amarrians. Min blueberries are almost as bad as Cal blueberries. Be the mercenary of tomorrow, today. Go beyond with Aurum!
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5404	Posted - 2014.11.15 17:36:00 - [3] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: So I've done Minmatar FW on and off over the past year or so mainly because corp members and friends had wanted to do it. Until recently it had been a long time since I even touched any FW. Obviously I have been playing again recently and it has made me realise that FW is at times a complete waste of time. I might as well AFK through matches as if we dont win then my efforts mean nothing other than extra lost isk. I propose the following: Keep the higher LP pay outs for the winning faction however directly tie WP to extra LP and crucially - extra standings gains at the end of a battle regardless of if you win or lose. Otherwise I am just going to AFK as my efforts are meaningless. I've been in FW a long timeGÇª except for a big break shortly after the LP store went inGÇª as wait times got ridiculous. What I've noticed is sometimes you get a strong start GÇª but as soon as one team decides that they won't win they stop doingGÇª a n y t h i n g I was thinking that perhaps a small rank increase to the top 5-10 players on the losing side may add incentive to keep a match running rather than having MCC siestas halfway through the match. Added LP is also a good option. MOAR Ladders
Henrietta Unknown Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 473	Posted - 2014.11.15 17:39:00 - [4] - Quote When the team decides to quit trying, it's usually because they're berries. Competent squads and Q-syncs never falter. Give the Magsex some love.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 286	Posted - 2014.11.15 17:43:00 - [5] - Quote It would promote boosting. A min score for points would be a better choice I think... of course some match making would be amazing. The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
Foehammerr OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 108	Posted - 2014.11.15 17:47:00 - [6] - Quote I'll keep that in mind, and I'll make sure you lose a few suits in the MCC as well. We all spend something in FW and you're no exception. All in or nothing. *Rangers Lead The Way!* Beta Vet since 2/5/2013
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5404	Posted - 2014.11.15 17:48:00 - [7] - Quote Henrietta Unknown wrote: When the team decides to quit trying, it's usually because they're berries. Competent squads and Q-syncs never falter. Not from what I've seen. I've been in matches where PC corps have given up at the half way point. Could be to protect KDR Could be because there is no incentive to keep the push on. Could be they feel that they don't want to "carry the team" because "blueberries" I don't know why, probably a mix of these things and more that I am overlooking, but it does happen. MOAR Ladders
Henrietta Unknown Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 473	Posted - 2014.11.15 17:50:00 - [8] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Henrietta Unknown wrote: When the team decides to quit trying, it's usually because they're berries. Competent squads and Q-syncs never falter. Not from what I've seen. I've been in matches where PC corps have given up at the half way point. Could be to protect KDR Could be because there is no incentive to keep the push on. Could be they feel that they don't want to "carry the team" because "blueberries" I don't know why, probably a mix of these things and more that I am overlooking, but it does happen. Then they are not competent, and should not be in FW in the first place. Victory > KDR in my book. Give the Magsex some love.
Riptalis Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 82	Posted - 2014.11.15 17:54:00 - [9] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: So I've done Minmatar FW on and off over the past year or so mainly because corp members and friends had wanted to do it. Until recently it had been a long time since I even touched any FW. Obviously I have been playing again recently and it has made me realise that FW is at times a complete waste of time. I might as well AFK through matches as if we dont win then my efforts mean nothing other than extra lost isk. I propose the following: Keep the higher LP pay outs for the winning faction however directly tie WP to extra LP and crucially - extra standings gains at the end of a battle regardless of if you win or lose. Otherwise I am just going to AFK as my efforts are meaningless. There were times where we could've won IF our team kept pushing the objective! But yeah, an increase is definetly needed. Python pilot
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2459	Posted - 2014.11.15 18:10:00 - [10] - Quote Foehammerr wrote: I'll keep that in mind, and I'll make sure you lose a few suits in the MCC as well. We all spend something in FW and you're no exception. All in or nothing. Mate I always usually try no matter the odds however when there is litterally 0 point to trying I am going to save myself the hassle. (Read when put against 8+ Nyain san or who ever....I didn't want this to be about hard matches because I totally accept that) That being said, I would love to know what you plan to do to a free suit in an MCC. All I am asking for is that people who DO try are at least rewarded. I bleed for my faction and dont even get a small standings increase? Yea I'm not down with that. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!

Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1381	Posted - 2014.11.15 18:15:00 - [11] - Quote Sounds like you need to jump in some chat channels and start a squad. Playing solo in FW just isn't going to cut it, you need a halfway decent squad or team to have a chance. I want to punch.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 827	Posted - 2014.11.15 18:34:00 - [12] - Quote I thought you were going to share an evil team kill... Yesterday, I saw this blueberry setting up his jihad jeep, and he was so close to being finished... Then I shot one of the REs Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7862	Posted - 2014.11.15 20:11:00 - [13] - Quote Cheydinhal Guard wrote: You play Min FW too? For some reason every Min match i get into is a complete stomp by the Amarrians. Min blueberries are almost as bad as Cal blueberries. Matari Militia can count it's losses on it's fingers. Join the militia today. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 13744	Posted - 2014.11.15 20:15:00 - [14] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Cheydinhal Guard wrote: You play Min FW too? For some reason every Min match i get into is a complete stomp by the Amarrians. Min blueberries are almost as bad as Cal blueberries. Matari Militia can count it's losses on it's fingers. Join the militia today. My losses are only 3 since I've worked with the MM, meaning even my Cat could. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
CharacterNameWasTaken 232	Posted - 2014.11.15 21:34:00 - [15] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: So I've done Minmatar FW on and off over the past year or so mainly because corp members and friends had wanted to do it. Until recently it had been a long time since I even touched any FW. Obviously I have been playing again recently and it has made me realise that FW is at times a complete waste of time. I might as well AFK through matches as if we dont win then my efforts mean nothing other than extra lost isk. I propose the following: Keep the higher LP pay outs for the winning faction however directly tie WP to extra LP and crucially - extra standings gains at the end of a battle regardless of if you win or lose. Otherwise I am just going to AFK as my efforts are meaningless. I've been in FW a long timeGÇª except for a big break shortly after the LP store went inGÇª as wait times got ridiculous. What I've noticed is sometimes you get a strong start GÇª but as soon as one team decides that they won't win they stop doingGÇª a n y t h i n g I was thinking that perhaps a small rank increase to the top 5-10 players on the losing side may add incentive to keep a match running rather than having MCC siestas halfway through the match. Added LP is also a good option. we still need to get salvage for what we kill. Cant tell you how many times ive killed full protos at least 10 times to turn out at the end of the match with a bunch of mlt-adv stuff and it pisses me ofd to know that some random blue that sat there and did nothung got the proto **** I killed not him. "Stop it the bouncing is making me uncomfortable" - Senji/Crow
Vesperz Algintal Core Gallente Federation 155	Posted - 2014.11.15 21:39:00 - [16] - Quote I can't seem to get into any Min matches lately. Is there a Min FW channel up and running? "Live by honor, kill by stealth." Gal Scout since 1.0, Min Scout since 1.1
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1614	Posted - 2014.11.15 22:09:00 - [17] - Quote Made a proposal a long time ago where every 10wp earned = 1% increased payout and every 50wp = +1 standing, regardless of win or loss. This was with old payouts though So 1000 wp = 100% increased payout and +20 standing Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5282	Posted - 2014.11.15 22:16:00 - [18] - Quote I've won like 30 min matches in a row. Sitting on 98K LP. Join xmlx and sync some battles with or against. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7895	Posted - 2014.11.15 22:23:00 - [19] - Quote Vesperz wrote: I can't seem to get into any Min matches lately. Is there a Min FW channel up and running? xmlx or Matari Militia. Matari Militia is password protected, message me for the inv. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Aria Gomes Wirykomi Wolf Pack 678	Posted - 2014.11.15 22:26:00 - [20] - Quote I remember when Min FW life was easy peasy. I guess that all changed when the Amarr nation attacked. :P Tumblr

Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 638	Posted - 2014.11.15 22:29:00 - [21] - Quote Cheydinhal Guard wrote: You play Min FW too? For some reason every Min match i get into is a complete stomp by the Amarrians. Min blueberries are almost as bad as Cal blueberries. Were you lonewolfing? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I survived 1.8! Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 422	Posted - 2014.11.15 22:45:00 - [22] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: So I've done Minmatar FW on and off over the past year or so mainly because corp members and friends had wanted to do it. Until recently it had been a long time since I even touched any FW. Obviously I have been playing again recently and it has made me realise that FW is at times a complete waste of time. I might as well AFK through matches as if we dont win then my efforts mean nothing other than extra lost isk. I propose the following: Keep the higher LP pay outs for the winning faction however directly tie WP to extra LP and crucially - extra standings gains at the end of a battle regardless of if you win or lose. Otherwise I am just going to AFK as my efforts are meaningless. You are right. The worst moment is when opposite team redline your team - at this point there is no reason to even try push them back, you end up in this situation because your team do not have 'players' to hold damn point so even trying to capture CRU is pointless - WP are pointless. Win or nothing. Gallente Speed Scout. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 19	Posted - 2014.11.16 03:13:00 - [23] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: All I am asking for is that people who DO try are at least rewarded. I bleed for my faction and dont even get a small standings increase? Yea I'm not down with that. Why do you need a participation medal? Are you a 6 year old playing in a sports league? You failed, why should you get paid for not being as good as the people who beat you? Don't like it, continue to be a pubscrub. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2379	Posted - 2014.11.16 03:22:00 - [24] - Quote Been having fun driving around in a clown car, jumping out as a heavy pair in FW. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2474	Posted - 2014.11.16 12:19:00 - [25] - Quote General Mosquito wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: All I am asking for is that people who DO try are at least rewarded. I bleed for my faction and dont even get a small standings increase? Yea I'm not down with that. Why do you need a participation medal? Are you a 6 year old playing in a sports league? You failed, why should you get paid for not being as good as the people who beat you? Don't like it, continue to be a pubscrub. Then why bother trying in FW? I might as well AFK as I receive the same rewards. Getting on your high horse about this wont help. I am merely pointing out that if you want people to actually do something, they need an incentive EVEN IF they are going to lose. Hell some FW matches there are 3-4 people AFK. Well there will be one more joining them. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
General Mosquito Kinsho Swords Caldari State 19	Posted - 2014.11.16 16:04:00 - [26] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Then why bother trying in FW? I might as well AFK as I receive the same rewards. Getting on your high horse about this wont help. I am merely pointing out that if you want people to actually do something, they need an incentive EVEN IF they are going to lose. Hell some FW matches there are 3-4 people AFK. Well there will be one more joining them. You try in FW because you care about the faction. You try in FW because you hope you will find a similarly motivated team on the other side and can have better matches than are on offer in pub matches. You want a reward for being a loser? Play pub matches. You demand compensation for not being able to get the job done? Pub matches. I don't need to be on a high horse, I'm just a normal player. I play to win, or else I wouldn't play. You on the other hand seem to play for rewards only, to inflate your ego in some form. I pity you, but I will still point out that you are the problem, not the lack of rewards for losers in FW. Losers shouldn't get anything in New Eden. General Butt Naked - Biomassed The Attorney General - Biomassed when unbanned Only 9 more alts to go.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 296	Posted - 2014.11.16 16:10:00 - [27] - Quote I have never seen any of these names in FW before the suites lol when I would que 30+min for a match this whole situation is such a joke. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
The Master Race Immortal Guides 322	Posted - 2014.11.16 16:10:00 - [28] - Quote I have never seen any of these names in FW before the suites lol when I would que 30+min for a match this whole situation is such a joke. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 919	Posted - 2014.11.17 18:33:00 - [29] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: So I've done Minmatar FW on and off over the past year or so mainly because corp members and friends had wanted to do it. Until recently it had been a long time since I even touched any FW. Obviously I have been playing again recently and it has made me realise that FW is at times a complete waste of time. I might as well AFK through matches as if we dont win then my efforts mean nothing other than extra lost isk. I propose the following: Keep the higher LP pay outs for the winning faction however directly tie WP to extra LP and crucially - extra standings gains at the end of a battle regardless of if you win or lose. Otherwise I am just going to AFK as my efforts are meaningless. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This guy gets it! A lot of games I just decide to AFK after seeing that one side doesn't stand a chance. Now if, like pubs, my LP was affected by my WP (& kills?) on top of whatever the faction loyalty rank pays, that would give me incentive to keep playing. And yes, there should be something that alters the standings gain, maybe the new loyalty rank bonuses for LP gain could affect standings gain too? Yep
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 320	Posted - 2014.11.18 14:20:00 - [30] - Quote I am about to do my second round of torture to see if todays patch brought anything other than the suits. I am not willing to put in another 60 matches if it is the same I will go 15-20 for this sample. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc



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