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Operative 1174 Uuali
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
72
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:26:00 -
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I found a perfect name for my Gal ADS - Zamboni, for the reason depicted below.
http://cleaningequipmentdirect.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/convertamatic-1.jpg
It isn't really a Zamboni, but I use one a work and we call it a Zamboni.
I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
2367
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:27:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:
"Dusty," because it's not being used anymore.
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
1107
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:28:00 -
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Craptastic missile magnet.
Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15067
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:39:00 -
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My Incubus used to be called Leviathan
Now I just call it what it is; Trash
Im still fond of my Gorgon, Zola
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
2557
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:45:00 -
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The ISK Bonfire.
"This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7829
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:03:00 -
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Dullahan
Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in!
FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1331
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:07:00 -
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I call mine Tilikum.
It's named after that killer whale that murdered everyone.
He mostly bit off people's genitals, so that's a goal. |
Denchlad 7
Dead Man's Game
1113
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:08:00 -
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I name my vehicles after women, like most boats.
My personal favourites are Rachel, Brooke and Kirsty.
All give an exhilrating experience. 
Though my beloved Gorgonita and Viperette are good for a quickie.
The Connoisseur of Weapons. 19/19 L5 P2.
Snarcasm > Sarcasm
Excessively British.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
5396
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:09:00 -
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Skyscrap
All my vehicles are made from FW salvage
Some of the fittings areGǪ unorthodox at best.
But a clone needs hobbies
MOAR Ladders
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Moochie Cricket
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
823
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:17:00 -
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In college I used to have a pet Burmese Python named after my favorite N64 Mario Cart character, "Princess Peach". Needless to say, when I found out the Caldari ADS would be called a Python it was a no brained as to what to call my flying death machine.
Princess.
If only I could color her pink...
GLORY TO THE STATE
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
317
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:17:00 -
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"Oh crap this is gonna cost a lot" is written on the right side of my Incubus in fancy font.
Gallente Assault-Caldari Logistics
- Open Beta Vet - 31mil sp -
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Pvt Numnutz
Prophets of the Velocirapture
1961
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:21:00 -
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Song bird
Master Skyshark rider
Kaalaka dakka tamer
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
819
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:21:00 -
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WTF BOOM!
I also like the MCRU grimsenes Rabbit...
Cuz it makes baby blueberries.
Quafe
A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does,
So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
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VikingKong iBUN
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
198
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:26:00 -
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There's no point in naming it because it's guaranteed to be destroyed on it's maiden voyage. |
VikingKong iBUN
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
198
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:33:00 -
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RemingtonBeaver wrote:I call mine Tilikum.
It's named after that killer whale that murdered everyone.
He mostly bit off people's genitals, so that's a goal.
My friend was once like "Let me show you this documentary about a whale!" and I reluctantly agreed thinking it was going to be boring. Damn was I wrong. |
Lloyd Orfay
SHAKING BABIES
FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE
207
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:33:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:
My Myron fit is called "Happy campers" because I deploy players in tactical areas they can be safe in.
My ADS fit is called "Enraged Campers" because I use it to eliminate rooftop camping. Plus sometims I park the ship on roofs to **** future rooftop campers off.
There is literally no sense for team killing to be possible in any gamemode.
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
259
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:36:00 -
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Quafe - Viper
Dustbunny - Gorgon
Hello ground! - Python
Mayday! - Incubus
Pal'Ahm kim kama'Ahm
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
259
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:39:00 -
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Lloyd Orfay wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: My Myron fit is called "Happy campers" because I deploy players in tactical areas they can be safe in. My ADS fit is called "Enraged Campers" because I use it to eliminate rooftop camping. Plus sometimes I park the ship on roofs to **** future rooftop campers off.
I hate you people... spawn killing in a vehicle is the lowest low! Even worse if it is our only spawn on the map!
Pal'Ahm kim kama'Ahm
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Darth-Carbonite GIO
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1252
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:43:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:My Incubus used to be called Leviathan
Now I just call it what it is; Trash
Im still fond of my Gorgon, Zola
Why the Incubus hate, Bro? 
1.9 Fixes This
Judge Rhadamanthus is my Hero
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15069
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Posted - 2014.11.15 05:14:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:My Incubus used to be called Leviathan
Now I just call it what it is; Trash
Im still fond of my Gorgon, Zola Why the Incubus hate, Bro?
Because it's garbage. Ive been a dedicated Gallente pilot from the very beginning. They've always been the underdog compared to caldari ships, but they were serviceable. Now, they are outclassed on every single front by the Python
Those who believe Incubus small rails are better AV than Python small missiles tell me just one simple thing: they can't aim. Leading a moving target is too difficult for them, so they falsely believe the hit scan rail to be superior. It isn't. When two actually talented pilots face off, there is very little time that each pilot can apply his dps before loosing LoS. Therefore with adequate aim, the burst damage of the Python coupled with no overheat makes it the superior AV option. While yes, the new racial bonuses are negligible and not much is lost by fitting a missile to the Incubus, it does nothing to address the fragility of the craft.
This doesn't even touch on survivability, which the Python far exceeds the Incubus. Any pilot worth his salt can see that if they wish to compete, they HAVE to defect to Caldari.
So long as Rat is at the helm, this is unlikely to change.
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
262
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Posted - 2014.11.15 05:27:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:My Incubus used to be called Leviathan
Now I just call it what it is; Trash
Im still fond of my Gorgon, Zola Why the Incubus hate, Bro? Because it's garbage. Ive been a dedicated Gallente pilot from the very beginning. They've always been the underdog compared to caldari ships, but they were serviceable. Now, they are outclassed on every single front by the Python Those who believe Incubus small rails are better AV than Python small missiles tell me just one simple thing: they can't aim. Leading a moving target is too difficult for them, so they falsely believe the hit scan rail to be superior. It isn't. When two actually talented pilots face off, there is very little time that each pilot can apply his dps before loosing LoS. Therefore with adequate aim, the burst damage of the Python coupled with no overheat makes it the superior AV option. While yes, the new racial bonuses are negligible and not much is lost by fitting a missile to the Incubus, it does nothing to address the fragility of the craft. This doesn't even touch on survivability, which the Python far exceeds the Incubus. Any pilot worth his salt can see that if they wish to compete, they HAVE to defect to Caldari. So long as Rat is at the helm, this is unlikely to change.
No! It has one true skill! Spawn camping! I have seen 20 or so Incubuses spawn camping in my last 28 or so matches!
"Hey GTFO and face me like a merc!"
"NO! I SHALL HAVE ALLZ ZE KILLZ ROFL LOL"
"Fine!" *Gets SL*
"NEEEW! MY BEUTIFUL INCABUS IS BEING KILLED< DMANZ YOU!"
Pal'Ahm kim kama'Ahm
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Operative 1174 Uuali
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
74
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Posted - 2014.11.15 06:46:00 -
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VikingKong iBUN wrote:RemingtonBeaver wrote:I call mine Tilikum.
It's named after that killer whale that murdered everyone.
He mostly bit off people's genitals, so that's a goal. My friend was once like "Let me show you this documentary about a whale!" and I reluctantly agreed thinking it was going to be boring. Damn was I wrong.
This is golden:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mocha_Dick
I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
100
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Posted - 2014.11.15 06:59:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:
Wait, you named your own dropship? Ha! What a fagot!
Choo Choo
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xavier zor
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
226
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Posted - 2014.11.15 10:24:00 -
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Betty is my LAV's name...i have called her in and re-called her for 38 matches so far
I don't use my drop-ship that much, but is named Naa'il
Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
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shaman oga
The Dunwich Horror
3172
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Posted - 2014.11.15 12:01:00 -
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"The commercial fleet"
My cheap gorgon fleet.
Join channel: FW Kickstarter
More people in = more FW matches
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Beld Errmon
Nyain San
1803
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Posted - 2014.11.15 13:51:00 -
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"Lot 16 Mothballed G-ADS + Railgun"
Retired bittervet.
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Everything Dies
FUNNY NAME GOES HERE
1071
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Posted - 2014.11.15 14:19:00 -
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I named mine "Crashy" because that's about all I can do with it.
Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof
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Operative 1174 Uuali
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
74
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Posted - 2014.11.15 15:24:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Wait, you named your own dropship? Ha! What a fagot!
Better than naming someone else's.
I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
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The-Errorist
SVER True Blood
890
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Posted - 2014.11.15 20:16:00 -
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I just name mine based on the tier, if its assault, the weapons, modules, and price like this:
c1 [2m] CRU 2SH-SB 162k
MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
100
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Posted - 2014.11.15 20:20:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:duster 35000 wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Wait, you named your own dropship? Ha! What a fagot! Better than naming someone else's.
Anyone who names thier weapons gets called that.
Choo Choo
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Darth-Carbonite GIO
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1253
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Posted - 2014.11.15 21:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:My Incubus used to be called Leviathan
Now I just call it what it is; Trash
Im still fond of my Gorgon, Zola Why the Incubus hate, Bro? Because it's garbage. Ive been a dedicated Gallente pilot from the very beginning. They've always been the underdog compared to caldari ships, but they were serviceable. Now, they are outclassed on every single front by the Python Those who believe Incubus small rails are better AV than Python small missiles tell me just one simple thing: they can't aim. Leading a moving target is too difficult for them, so they falsely believe the hit scan rail to be superior. It isn't. When two actually talented pilots face off, there is very little time that each pilot can apply his dps before loosing LoS. Therefore with adequate aim, the burst damage of the Python coupled with no overheat makes it the superior AV option. While yes, the new racial bonuses are negligible and not much is lost by fitting a missile to the Incubus, it does nothing to address the fragility of the craft. This doesn't even touch on survivability, which the Python far exceeds the Incubus. Any pilot worth his salt can see that if they wish to compete, they HAVE to defect to Caldari. So long as Rat is at the helm, this is unlikely to change.
Strongly disagree. Incubus is just as survivable as the Python, more even, if used properly. The sheer amount of pinpoint damage the Incubus can deal makes it the ideal AV platform, while the Python is the undisputed king of AI.
If you're getting consistently outplayed by Python pilots, I'd suggest trying out a different fit. That shouldn't be happening.
1.9 Fixes This
Judge Rhadamanthus is my Hero
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15070
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Posted - 2014.11.15 22:11:00 -
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Lmao if you think Incubus is more survivable than Python hahaha.
I have far more than enough flight time under my belt to draw my own conclusions, but please, by all means, keep flying your Incubus. More WP and less competition for me :)
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
832
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Posted - 2014.11.15 23:16:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:My Incubus used to be called Leviathan
Now I just call it what it is; Trash
Im still fond of my Gorgon, Zola Why the Incubus hate, Bro? Because it's garbage. Ive been a dedicated Gallente pilot from the very beginning. They've always been the underdog compared to caldari ships, but they were serviceable. Now, they are outclassed on every single front by the Python Those who believe Incubus small rails are better AV than Python small missiles tell me just one simple thing: they can't aim. Leading a moving target is too difficult for them, so they falsely believe the hit scan rail to be superior. It isn't. When two actually talented pilots face off, there is very little time that each pilot can apply his dps before loosing LoS. Therefore with adequate aim, the burst damage of the Python coupled with no overheat makes it the superior AV option. While yes, the new racial bonuses are negligible and not much is lost by fitting a missile to the Incubus, it does nothing to address the fragility of the craft. This doesn't even touch on survivability, which the Python far exceeds the Incubus. Any pilot worth his salt can see that if they wish to compete, they HAVE to defect to Caldari. So long as Rat is at the helm, this is unlikely to change. Strongly disagree. The Incubus is just as survivable as the Python, more even, if used properly. The sheer amount of pinpoint damage the Incubus can deal makes it the ideal AV platform, while the Python is the undisputed king of AI. If you're getting consistently outplayed by Python pilots, I'd suggest trying out a different fit. That shouldn't be happening. I believe the balance between Dropships is good. It's the omnipotence of swarms that I have a problem with.
I dare disagree. There are so many downsides to armor vehicle its not even funny. And the upsides it has cannot be exploited because of reasons discussed below. Observe:
Armor Upsides:
1. Reps constantly, even under fire
2. Hardeners last longer than shields
Armor downsides:
1. Plates affect speed
2. Hardeners really only do 15%-20% damage resistance, as all real av threats are missiles
3. Reps are minimal for the damage for the damage caused by swarms
Shield Upsides:
1. Repair rate is faster
2. Native resistance to real AV threats
3. Don't need to fit a repairer
4. Hardeners are stronger (+native resistance is even more)
5. No speed reduction
Shield Downsides:
1. Tank not as much
2. No real buffer from alpha damage to activate hardener
3. No constant repair on main tank
There are already more advantages for shields, now let's look at Incubus versus Python
Incubus strengths in ADS v ADS:
1. Railgun does good alpha damage
2. Repairs are constant
3. Can fit damage mod (pretty rare and more likely replaced for an almost necessary afterburner)
4. Can fit more tank
5. Hardeners last longer
Python strengths in ADS v ADS:
1. Hardeners are more effective than Incubus, albeit shorter duration
2. Has an advantage RoF wise
3. Has an advantage over main tank of Incubus (missle profile)
4. Has no overheat on missiles
5. Has native resistance on main tank versus rails (blasters... don't count for obvious reasons)
6. More maneuvarable
7. Better in CQC than blaster or rail Incubus (really?)
Now, none of this can change until more anti shield weaponry is released, so this will be an ongoing problem.
Quafe
A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does,
So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
959
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Posted - 2014.11.15 23:27:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Those who believe Incubus small rails are better AV than Python small missiles tell me just one simple thing: they can't aim. Leading a moving target is too difficult for them, so they falsely believe the hit scan rail to be superior. It isn't. When two actually talented pilots face off, there is very little time that each pilot can apply his dps before loosing LoS. Therefore with adequate aim, the burst damage of the Python coupled with no overheat makes it the superior AV option. While yes, the new racial bonuses are negligible and not much is lost by fitting a missile to the Incubus, it does nothing to address the fragility of the craft.
Um, way to be a douche. Also an incorrect douche: in the time it takes to fire 8 missiles, you've fired more rail shots, which do marginally less damage per shot (477.62 vs missile 500.5) in a shorter amount of time with better damage application (there is vastly less travel time.)
In 3 seconds, an XT-1 will fire 2.87 missiles (otherwise known as two) which, assuming both hit, deals 1001 damage (800.8 vs shields; 1201.2 vs armour.)
The Particle Cannon fires (including charge-up) 4 (4.31) projectiles, dealing 1910.48 damage (1719.432 vs shields; 2101.528 vs armour.)
Tell me again how rail gunners who say they do better...are somehow worse shots? If they can land more shots (which is inherently more difficult) against the evading target, why do you belittle them?
I understand that you're frustrated about the Incubus being hurt vastly more by AV, but quit your bitching and try to actually provide useful posts: you used to.
DUST Fiend wrote:This doesn't even touch on survivability, which the Python far exceeds the Incubus. Any pilot worth his salt can see that if they wish to compete, they HAVE to defect to Caldari.
Again, its because of AV not having a full gamut of effective weapons, also because the single most simple weapon in the game is anti-armour AV.
Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15073
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Posted - 2014.11.15 23:45:00 -
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Landing hits with a hit scan weapon isn't harder than leading a target....
All im saying is that why take vastly more damage (we wont have a full array of AV weapons for some time) only to use a weapon with no anti infantry capability (as front mounted) that at best marginally outperforms missiles in AV. When two skilled pilots are dog fighting, there isn't much time to apply your damage because both pilots will be vying for elevation and constantly breaking LoS. Missile reload is fast enough that you're usually reloaded in the time it takes to re aquire your target. Plus, again, no anti shield weapons for ADS, so a shield ship with an anti armor weapon is always at an advantage over an armor ship with an anti armor weapon.
Im very familiar with the Incubus, and thats why im pretty confident in my assessment that Python simply outperforms it at every turn.
And, for arguments sake, a Python can fit a small rail and be just about as effective as an Incubus because lol 15% RoF, and you don't have the disadvantage of armor. I got sick of playing this game in the theoretical land of "what if" a long time ago. The only things that matter are those that actually exist, in game, right now.
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
959
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Posted - 2014.11.15 23:57:00 -
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If you're going to be upset, then lobby for change. Don't just sit complaining to your fellows, make posts, provide feedback and numbers and try and actually do something. Your whining is tiresome.
Why fit an AV Incubus? Because as much as 15% is a guff primary bonus, the Incubus is more effective at the AV role, especially against the currently more prevalent shield vehicles. I do, often, call in my RailBus because it is better at destroying tanks and I'm far more effective at downing enemy DSs in it: sure, travel time can be accounted for, but why use the inferior weapon when I can destroy them quickly - if they are calling in plenty of vehicles, I'm going to be plenty occupied in my Incubus such that my lack of AP potential own irrelevant; if they're not calling in plenty of vehicles, I can down them reasonably in my Python then concentrate on AP work.
Edit:
At the end of the day, you're correct that the Incubus is outperformed very often by the Python, but this is because of the lack of racial parity. But your current trend of complaining is not helpful in any way and is irritating when you would otherwise provide a valuable, experienced voice.
Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
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Minime Al
Alteredgenetic
24
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Posted - 2014.11.16 00:16:00 -
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"Bumblebee"
Coz I can't fly but I do it. |
DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15073
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Posted - 2014.11.16 00:21:00 -
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We clearly just have different in game experiences if you feel I'm complaining. My in game experience tells me the Python is the superior platform and has no noticeable loss of effectiveness against vehicles vs rails. Thats it. Your experience simply differs from mine.
I find Python to be the superior platform on all fronts, including AV, and I strongly encourage everyone to ditch the underperformimg option and go for the strongest ship: the Python.
Rat wants data? Lets give it to him.
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
1111
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Posted - 2014.11.16 01:44:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:We clearly just have different in game experiences if you feel I'm complaining. My in game experience tells me the Python is the superior platform and has no noticeable loss of effectiveness against vehicles vs rails. Thats it. Your experience simply differs from mine.
I find Python to be the superior platform on all fronts, including AV, and I strongly encourage everyone to ditch the underperformimg option and go for the strongest ship: the Python.
Rat wants data? Lets give it to him.
Like I said in the other thread, I caved and switched to Pythons, its ridiculous how much more survivability it now has over the Incubus. I haven't bothered breaking out my rail Incubus yet in delta as I've wanted to be able to have a chance at defending myself agaisnt swarms. So I am not sure how it performs now but I did always prefer it to missiles for ADS VS ADS, was good for anti shield tanks back then as well. Shame that rails and blasters are all but useless in delta as you can never hang around long enough to land enough hits.
Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
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Hynox Xitio
0uter.Heaven
1755
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Posted - 2014.11.16 01:51:00 -
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Kurt.
I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless fogwogglers.
( -íº -£-û -íº) /)
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15073
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:07:00 -
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I think itll be hilarious if they ever add real anti shield AV. Can you imagine how fragile Pythons will be takin 40% more damage than they are now? lol.
Honestly, if CCP ever gets of their asses, vehicles are screwed hahaha.
You do raise an excellent point though, about not being able to stick around long enough to apply your dps in an Incubus. Also, I still need to test more but Ive found that I dont always need an AB on a Python, where you you absolutely 100% need one on the Incubus
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
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Hakyou Brutor
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1603
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:26:00 -
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I call my Incubus "Mustang" and my Python "Sally."
Knight Soiaire = my bae
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Darth-Carbonite GIO
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1254
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:27:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Lmao if you think Incubus is more survivable than Python hahaha.
I have far more than enough flight time under my belt to draw my own conclusions, but please, by all means, keep flying your Incubus. More WP and less competition for me :)
Your signature is telling 
1.9 Fixes This
Judge Rhadamanthus is my Hero
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15074
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:29:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Lmao if you think Incubus is more survivable than Python hahaha.
I have far more than enough flight time under my belt to draw my own conclusions, but please, by all means, keep flying your Incubus. More WP and less competition for me :) Your signature is telling
Particularly that "vehicle specialist" bit
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
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Darth-Carbonite GIO
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1254
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:37:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:
1. Plates affect speed
Python strengths in ADS v ADS:
1. Hardeners are more effective than Incubus, albeit shorter duration
2. Has an advantage RoF wise
3. Has an advantage over main tank of Incubus (missle profile)
4. Has no overheat on missiles
5. Has native resistance on main tank versus rails (blasters... don't count for obvious reasons)
6. More maneuvarable
7. Better in CQC than blaster or rail Incubus (really?)
Now, none of this can change until more anti shield weaponry is released, so this will be an ongoing problem.
Advantage in ROF? I really don't think so. Python has short bursts of inaccurate Alpha damage, which fits as it's a quick strike kind of role.
Incubus has the better ROF, can sustain it for longer, and is more accurate. Therefore, it is clearly superior in vehicle versus vehicle situations.
If you recall, the small rails used to be better against shields, but that was changed to bring it into parity with other Caldari weaponry. I like this, because causing armor damage is far more beneficial on the battlefield than shield damage.
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Darth-Carbonite GIO
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:42:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Lmao if you think Incubus is more survivable than Python hahaha.
I have far more than enough flight time under my belt to draw my own conclusions, but please, by all means, keep flying your Incubus. More WP and less competition for me :) Your signature is telling Particularly that "vehicle specialist" bit
I feel like we're working towards the same goal, but I'm offended that you think my chosen role is inferior. My experience tells me otherwise, but it's good to hear other positions.
Besides, if you actually manage to get the Incubus buffed, it will only end up benefiting me. So go right ahead, I'm rooting for you 
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:44:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:LUGMOS wrote:
1. Plates affect speed
Python strengths in ADS v ADS:
1. Hardeners are more effective than Incubus, albeit shorter duration
2. Has an advantage RoF wise
3. Has an advantage over main tank of Incubus (missle profile)
4. Has no overheat on missiles
5. Has native resistance on main tank versus rails (blasters... don't count for obvious reasons)
6. More maneuvarable
7. Better in CQC than blaster or rail Incubus (really?)
Now, none of this can change until more anti shield weaponry is released, so this will be an ongoing problem.
Advantage in ROF? I really don't think so. Python has short bursts of inaccurate Alpha damage, which fits as it's a quick strike kind of role. Incubus has the better ROF, can sustain it for longer, and is more accurate. Therefore, it is clearly superior in vehicle versus vehicle situations. If you recall, the small rails used to be better against shields, but that was changed to bring it into parity with other Caldari weaponry. I like this, because causing armor damage is far more beneficial on the battlefield than shield damage.
From what I've seen, the missiles shoot faster. But I am not sure. Anywho, because of the resistance shields has on it, the advantage on ROF is brought down, and is equalized or even surpassed because of the missile's effectivity versus the armor of the Python.
And why would you say causing armor damage is more beneficial? I'm very curious to see the reasoning.
I also can't see the accuracy point. They are both pinpoint accurate.
Quafe
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
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15075
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:49:00 -
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Its only inaccurate if you are. Sustained dps isnt too important on an ADS because you and your targets are always moving. In the time it takes to re target, missiles are reloaded in most cases.
I REALLY need my HDMI converter back so I can just make videos on this, so much easier to just show lol. Also, if you slightly miss with a missile, you still deal decent damage (vs ground targets) where with a rail you will almost never apply your negligible splash damage.
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:51:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Lmao if you think Incubus is more survivable than Python hahaha.
I have far more than enough flight time under my belt to draw my own conclusions, but please, by all means, keep flying your Incubus. More WP and less competition for me :) Your signature is telling Particularly that "vehicle specialist" bit I feel like we're working towards the same goal, but I'm offended that you think my chosen role is inferior. My experience tells me otherwise, but it's good to hear other positions. Besides, if you actually manage to get the Incubus buffed, it will only end up benefiting me. So go right ahead, I'm rooting for you
I used STRICTLY Gallente vehicles since I joined in March 2012 up until just recently
I would love nothing more than to not despise my Incubus
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:54:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Its only inaccurate if you are. Sustained dps isnt too important on an ADS because you and your targets are always moving. In the time it takes to re target, missiles are reloaded in most cases.
THIS is the most important part.
Quafe
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Darth-Carbonite GIO
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:56:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:LUGMOS wrote:
1. Plates affect speed
Python strengths in ADS v ADS:
1. Hardeners are more effective than Incubus, albeit shorter duration
2. Has an advantage RoF wise
3. Has an advantage over main tank of Incubus (missle profile)
4. Has no overheat on missiles
5. Has native resistance on main tank versus rails (blasters... don't count for obvious reasons)
6. More maneuvarable
7. Better in CQC than blaster or rail Incubus (really?)
Now, none of this can change until more anti shield weaponry is released, so this will be an ongoing problem.
Advantage in ROF? I really don't think so. Python has short bursts of inaccurate Alpha damage, which fits as it's a quick strike kind of role. Incubus has the better ROF, can sustain it for longer, and is more accurate. Therefore, it is clearly superior in vehicle versus vehicle situations. If you recall, the small rails used to be better against shields, but that was changed to bring it into parity with other Caldari weaponry. I like this, because causing armor damage is far more beneficial on the battlefield than shield damage. From what I've seen, the missiles shoot faster. But I am not sure. Anywho, because of the resistance shields has on it, the advantage on ROF is brought down, and is equalized or even surpassed because of the missile's effectivity versus the armor of the Python. And why would you say causing armor damage is more beneficial? I'm very curious to see the reasoning. I also can't see the accuracy point. They are both pinpoint accurate.
Rails fire faster. Always have, hopefully always will.
Triple repped madrugers, installations, other Incubuses. These are the things that have the most potential for giving me trouble, and they're all armor based. (obviously excluding infantry av) Dealing damage to armor also gives you a better chance for vehicle damage WP due most likely to their higher HP totals and easy to hit weak spots.
Accuracy in that it has longer range and the projectile travels faster.
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Darth-Carbonite GIO
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.11.16 03:02:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:
I used STRICTLY Gallente vehicles since I joined in March 2012 up until just recently
I would love nothing more than to not despise my Incubus
I was strictly Caldari until just a few months ago, (before the recent hotfixes) and switched to an Incubus because I was tired of getting rammed by them all the time.
Nowadays, I almost exclusively fly an Incubus in pubs and PC, and enjoy the superior anti vehicle capabilities it provides. It's the role I enjoy, and it's what I'm best at.
EDIT: I also don't fit missiles on my Incubus, or rails on my Python (as if lol) I'm a purist, and believe that they both are efficient platforms for the jobs they were built for.
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15077
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Posted - 2014.11.16 03:05:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
I used STRICTLY Gallente vehicles since I joined in March 2012 up until just recently
I would love nothing more than to not despise my Incubus
I was strictly Caldari until just a few months ago, (before the recent hotfixes) and switched to an Incubus because I was tired of getting rammed by them all the time. Nowadays, I almost exclusively fly an Incubus in pubs and PC, and enjoy the superior anti vehicle capabilities it provides. It's the role I enjoy, and it's what I'm best at. EDIT: I also don't fit missiles on my Incubus, or rails on my Python (as if lol) I'm a purist, and believe that they both are efficient platforms for the jobs they were built for.
Hey man, more power to you.
Hopefully when my PS3 comes back from the shop I'll run across you and we can lock guns for a bit and see who comes out on top ;)
o7
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1391
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Posted - 2014.11.16 03:06:00 -
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I've been begging CCP forever now to give me an Orca inspired skin for my Incubus.
Tilikum would love it.
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Operative 1174 Uuali
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
83
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Posted - 2014.11.16 03:41:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
I used STRICTLY Gallente vehicles since I joined in March 2012 up until just recently
I would love nothing more than to not despise my Incubus
I was strictly Caldari until just a few months ago, (before the recent hotfixes) and switched to an Incubus because I was tired of getting rammed by them all the time. Nowadays, I almost exclusively fly an Incubus in pubs and PC, and enjoy the superior anti vehicle capabilities it provides. It's the role I enjoy, and it's what I'm best at. EDIT: I also don't fit missiles on my Incubus, or rails on my Python (as if lol) I'm a purist, and believe that they both are efficient platforms for the jobs they were built for. Hey man, more power to you. Hopefully when my PS3 comes back from the shop I'll run across you and we can lock guns for a bit and see who comes out on top ;) o7
SoGǪ what were you two's dropships' names again? Lol.
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
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Posted - 2014.11.16 03:47:00 -
[56] - Quote
Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
I used STRICTLY Gallente vehicles since I joined in March 2012 up until just recently
I would love nothing more than to not despise my Incubus
I was strictly Caldari until just a few months ago, (before the recent hotfixes) and switched to an Incubus because I was tired of getting rammed by them all the time. Nowadays, I almost exclusively fly an Incubus in pubs and PC, and enjoy the superior anti vehicle capabilities it provides. It's the role I enjoy, and it's what I'm best at. EDIT: I also don't fit missiles on my Incubus, or rails on my Python (as if lol) I'm a purist, and believe that they both are efficient platforms for the jobs they were built for. Hey man, more power to you. Hopefully when my PS3 comes back from the shop I'll run across you and we can lock guns for a bit and see who comes out on top ;) o7 SoGǪ what were you two's dropships' names again? Lol.
It was trash and some other thing.
Quafe
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1393
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Posted - 2014.11.16 03:55:00 -
[57] - Quote
Repaint of an Incubus.
I tried making an Orca and it just wouldn't come out right.
So I went easy mode.
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
963
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Posted - 2014.11.16 04:15:00 -
[58] - Quote
LUGMOS wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Its only inaccurate if you are. Sustained dps isnt too important on an ADS because you and your targets are always moving. In the time it takes to re target, missiles are reloaded in most cases. THIS is the most important part.
It is very important, because I think it shows a distinct lack of clarity.
While yes, missiles will often be reloaded once the fighters have reengaged...so have the railguns. The railgun fires more shots at a marginally lower power in the same engagement window meaning that if the pilot is accurate enough to land their missiles, they are accurate enough to land all of the rail shots...which means more damage dealt.
And considering that missiles require you to be of above average accuracy, rails do not; yet if you are of above average accuracy, you will land your rail bursts more reliably, and thus deal more damage. And to reiterate: in a small engagement window, a Python with max skills will get off 2-3 shots; the Incubus with max skills will get off 4-6. That difference in ROF between the missile/rail !fans the rail is by far the superior in terms of damage.
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
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Posted - 2014.11.16 07:07:00 -
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When my PS3 gets back from the shop I'll run some more field tests for giggles, I still stand by my assessment for now, but ultimately it doesn't change the fragility of the Incubus. Flying ultimately boils down to one simple thing: survivability, which the Incubus sorely lacks. Really, so does the Python, at least in a world where AV has equally effective options for shields and armor.
But, untill this game gets a development team back, that simply isn't going to happen.
Still, I'll entertain the issue for science.
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.11.16 07:57:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:LUGMOS wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Its only inaccurate if you are. Sustained dps isnt too important on an ADS because you and your targets are always moving. In the time it takes to re target, missiles are reloaded in most cases. THIS is the most important part. It is very important, because I think it shows a distinct lack of clarity. While yes, missiles will often be reloaded once the fighters have reengaged...so have the railguns. The railgun fires more shots at a marginally lower power in the same engagement window meaning that if the pilot is accurate enough to land their missiles, they are accurate enough to land all of the rail shots...which means more damage dealt. And considering that missiles require you to be of above average accuracy, rails do not; yet if you are of above average accuracy, you will land your rail bursts more reliably, and thus deal more damage. And to reiterate: in a small engagement window, a Python with max skills will get off 2-3 shots; the Incubus with max skills will get off 4-6. That difference in ROF between the missile/rail !fans the rail is by far the superior in terms of damage.
Sure it may be, but what about the resists? That 2-3 missiles will feel like 3-4, and those rail shots will feel like 5-4. And the Python recharged rate. In a short time, the damage done will be gone, while the Incubus will still be licking its wounds.
Quafe
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Symbioticforks
Pure Evil.
Capital Punishment.
937
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Posted - 2014.11.16 09:03:00 -
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My primary dropship name is "A to B"
because that's where it gets me.
I have lost many 1,000's "A to B"s
You know sniping is bad when even I refuse to do it.
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1399
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Posted - 2014.11.16 09:10:00 -
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Here's my Python.
I call it Anaconda Malt Liquor.
I also don't have a python.
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Thaddeus Reynolds
Facepunch Security
90
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Posted - 2014.11.16 09:18:00 -
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I've recently taken to calling one of my Python fittings "The Tutorial."
This isn't because it was easy to fly or anything...it was named for me by a friend I was introducing to dust, they went through battle academy to get a grip on the mechanics, and then joined my regular squad for battle. We where running in a squad of 4 at that point, and the new person said they wanted to try out tanking, so I called in one of mine. My other squadmates piled into the guns, leaving me to either footslog it, or solo vehicle. I decided to break out the old ADS (which I'm terrible at using for ground attack) and preceded to fail at hitting things with missiles...however my spotlight was sending info to the rest of my squad, letting them easily dispatch enemies that came their way. I spent the rest of the game hunting enemies close to the point we claimed as our squad's, harassing snipers (and painting them for the industrial strength sniper rifle on the tank), and destroying spawn beacons placed close to the other points when I had to fly away to avoid getting swarmed to death.
Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper.
I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
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