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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:21:00 -
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WTF BOOM!
I also like the MCRU grimsenes Rabbit...
Cuz it makes baby blueberries.
Quafe
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.11.15 23:16:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:My Incubus used to be called Leviathan
Now I just call it what it is; Trash
Im still fond of my Gorgon, Zola Why the Incubus hate, Bro?  Because it's garbage. Ive been a dedicated Gallente pilot from the very beginning. They've always been the underdog compared to caldari ships, but they were serviceable. Now, they are outclassed on every single front by the Python Those who believe Incubus small rails are better AV than Python small missiles tell me just one simple thing: they can't aim. Leading a moving target is too difficult for them, so they falsely believe the hit scan rail to be superior. It isn't. When two actually talented pilots face off, there is very little time that each pilot can apply his dps before loosing LoS. Therefore with adequate aim, the burst damage of the Python coupled with no overheat makes it the superior AV option. While yes, the new racial bonuses are negligible and not much is lost by fitting a missile to the Incubus, it does nothing to address the fragility of the craft. This doesn't even touch on survivability, which the Python far exceeds the Incubus. Any pilot worth his salt can see that if they wish to compete, they HAVE to defect to Caldari. So long as Rat is at the helm, this is unlikely to change. Strongly disagree. The Incubus is just as survivable as the Python, more even, if used properly. The sheer amount of pinpoint damage the Incubus can deal makes it the ideal AV platform, while the Python is the undisputed king of AI. If you're getting consistently outplayed by Python pilots, I'd suggest trying out a different fit. That shouldn't be happening. I believe the balance between Dropships is good. It's the omnipotence of swarms that I have a problem with.
I dare disagree. There are so many downsides to armor vehicle its not even funny. And the upsides it has cannot be exploited because of reasons discussed below. Observe:
Armor Upsides:
1. Reps constantly, even under fire
2. Hardeners last longer than shields
Armor downsides:
1. Plates affect speed
2. Hardeners really only do 15%-20% damage resistance, as all real av threats are missiles
3. Reps are minimal for the damage for the damage caused by swarms
Shield Upsides:
1. Repair rate is faster
2. Native resistance to real AV threats
3. Don't need to fit a repairer
4. Hardeners are stronger (+native resistance is even more)
5. No speed reduction
Shield Downsides:
1. Tank not as much
2. No real buffer from alpha damage to activate hardener
3. No constant repair on main tank
There are already more advantages for shields, now let's look at Incubus versus Python
Incubus strengths in ADS v ADS:
1. Railgun does good alpha damage
2. Repairs are constant
3. Can fit damage mod (pretty rare and more likely replaced for an almost necessary afterburner)
4. Can fit more tank
5. Hardeners last longer
Python strengths in ADS v ADS:
1. Hardeners are more effective than Incubus, albeit shorter duration
2. Has an advantage RoF wise
3. Has an advantage over main tank of Incubus (missle profile)
4. Has no overheat on missiles
5. Has native resistance on main tank versus rails (blasters... don't count for obvious reasons)
6. More maneuvarable
7. Better in CQC than blaster or rail Incubus (really?)
Now, none of this can change until more anti shield weaponry is released, so this will be an ongoing problem.
Quafe
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:44:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:LUGMOS wrote:
1. Plates affect speed
Python strengths in ADS v ADS:
1. Hardeners are more effective than Incubus, albeit shorter duration
2. Has an advantage RoF wise
3. Has an advantage over main tank of Incubus (missle profile)
4. Has no overheat on missiles
5. Has native resistance on main tank versus rails (blasters... don't count for obvious reasons)
6. More maneuvarable
7. Better in CQC than blaster or rail Incubus (really?)
Now, none of this can change until more anti shield weaponry is released, so this will be an ongoing problem.
Advantage in ROF? I really don't think so. Python has short bursts of inaccurate Alpha damage, which fits as it's a quick strike kind of role. Incubus has the better ROF, can sustain it for longer, and is more accurate. Therefore, it is clearly superior in vehicle versus vehicle situations. If you recall, the small rails used to be better against shields, but that was changed to bring it into parity with other Caldari weaponry. I like this, because causing armor damage is far more beneficial on the battlefield than shield damage.
From what I've seen, the missiles shoot faster. But I am not sure. Anywho, because of the resistance shields has on it, the advantage on ROF is brought down, and is equalized or even surpassed because of the missile's effectivity versus the armor of the Python.
And why would you say causing armor damage is more beneficial? I'm very curious to see the reasoning.
I also can't see the accuracy point. They are both pinpoint accurate.
Quafe
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:54:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Its only inaccurate if you are. Sustained dps isnt too important on an ADS because you and your targets are always moving. In the time it takes to re target, missiles are reloaded in most cases.
THIS is the most important part.
Quafe
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.11.16 03:47:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
I used STRICTLY Gallente vehicles since I joined in March 2012 up until just recently
I would love nothing more than to not despise my Incubus
I was strictly Caldari until just a few months ago, (before the recent hotfixes) and switched to an Incubus because I was tired of getting rammed by them all the time. Nowadays, I almost exclusively fly an Incubus in pubs and PC, and enjoy the superior anti vehicle capabilities it provides. It's the role I enjoy, and it's what I'm best at. EDIT: I also don't fit missiles on my Incubus, or rails on my Python (as if lol) I'm a purist, and believe that they both are efficient platforms for the jobs they were built for. Hey man, more power to you. Hopefully when my PS3 comes back from the shop I'll run across you and we can lock guns for a bit and see who comes out on top ;) o7 SoGǪ what were you two's dropships' names again? Lol.
It was trash and some other thing.
Quafe
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LUGMOS
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Posted - 2014.11.16 07:57:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:LUGMOS wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Its only inaccurate if you are. Sustained dps isnt too important on an ADS because you and your targets are always moving. In the time it takes to re target, missiles are reloaded in most cases. THIS is the most important part. It is very important, because I think it shows a distinct lack of clarity. While yes, missiles will often be reloaded once the fighters have reengaged...so have the railguns. The railgun fires more shots at a marginally lower power in the same engagement window meaning that if the pilot is accurate enough to land their missiles, they are accurate enough to land all of the rail shots...which means more damage dealt. And considering that missiles require you to be of above average accuracy, rails do not; yet if you are of above average accuracy, you will land your rail bursts more reliably, and thus deal more damage. And to reiterate: in a small engagement window, a Python with max skills will get off 2-3 shots; the Incubus with max skills will get off 4-6. That difference in ROF between the missile/rail !fans the rail is by far the superior in terms of damage.
Sure it may be, but what about the resists? That 2-3 missiles will feel like 3-4, and those rail shots will feel like 5-4. And the Python recharged rate. In a short time, the damage done will be gone, while the Incubus will still be licking its wounds.
Quafe
A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does,
So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
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