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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:39:00 -
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My Incubus used to be called Leviathan
Now I just call it what it is; Trash
Im still fond of my Gorgon, Zola
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.15 05:14:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:My Incubus used to be called Leviathan
Now I just call it what it is; Trash
Im still fond of my Gorgon, Zola Why the Incubus hate, Bro? Because it's garbage. Ive been a dedicated Gallente pilot from the very beginning. They've always been the underdog compared to caldari ships, but they were serviceable. Now, they are outclassed on every single front by the Python
Those who believe Incubus small rails are better AV than Python small missiles tell me just one simple thing: they can't aim. Leading a moving target is too difficult for them, so they falsely believe the hit scan rail to be superior. It isn't. When two actually talented pilots face off, there is very little time that each pilot can apply his dps before loosing LoS. Therefore with adequate aim, the burst damage of the Python coupled with no overheat makes it the superior AV option. While yes, the new racial bonuses are negligible and not much is lost by fitting a missile to the Incubus, it does nothing to address the fragility of the craft.
This doesn't even touch on survivability, which the Python far exceeds the Incubus. Any pilot worth his salt can see that if they wish to compete, they HAVE to defect to Caldari.
So long as Rat is at the helm, this is unlikely to change.
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.15 22:11:00 -
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Lmao if you think Incubus is more survivable than Python hahaha.
I have far more than enough flight time under my belt to draw my own conclusions, but please, by all means, keep flying your Incubus. More WP and less competition for me :)
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.15 23:45:00 -
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Landing hits with a hit scan weapon isn't harder than leading a target....
All im saying is that why take vastly more damage (we wont have a full array of AV weapons for some time) only to use a weapon with no anti infantry capability (as front mounted) that at best marginally outperforms missiles in AV. When two skilled pilots are dog fighting, there isn't much time to apply your damage because both pilots will be vying for elevation and constantly breaking LoS. Missile reload is fast enough that you're usually reloaded in the time it takes to re aquire your target. Plus, again, no anti shield weapons for ADS, so a shield ship with an anti armor weapon is always at an advantage over an armor ship with an anti armor weapon.
Im very familiar with the Incubus, and thats why im pretty confident in my assessment that Python simply outperforms it at every turn.
And, for arguments sake, a Python can fit a small rail and be just about as effective as an Incubus because lol 15% RoF, and you don't have the disadvantage of armor. I got sick of playing this game in the theoretical land of "what if" a long time ago. The only things that matter are those that actually exist, in game, right now.
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.16 00:21:00 -
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We clearly just have different in game experiences if you feel I'm complaining. My in game experience tells me the Python is the superior platform and has no noticeable loss of effectiveness against vehicles vs rails. Thats it. Your experience simply differs from mine.
I find Python to be the superior platform on all fronts, including AV, and I strongly encourage everyone to ditch the underperformimg option and go for the strongest ship: the Python.
Rat wants data? Lets give it to him.
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:07:00 -
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I think itll be hilarious if they ever add real anti shield AV. Can you imagine how fragile Pythons will be takin 40% more damage than they are now? lol.
Honestly, if CCP ever gets of their asses, vehicles are screwed hahaha.
You do raise an excellent point though, about not being able to stick around long enough to apply your dps in an Incubus. Also, I still need to test more but Ive found that I dont always need an AB on a Python, where you you absolutely 100% need one on the Incubus
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:29:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Lmao if you think Incubus is more survivable than Python hahaha.
I have far more than enough flight time under my belt to draw my own conclusions, but please, by all means, keep flying your Incubus. More WP and less competition for me :) Your signature is telling Particularly that "vehicle specialist" bit
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:49:00 -
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Its only inaccurate if you are. Sustained dps isnt too important on an ADS because you and your targets are always moving. In the time it takes to re target, missiles are reloaded in most cases.
I REALLY need my HDMI converter back so I can just make videos on this, so much easier to just show lol. Also, if you slightly miss with a missile, you still deal decent damage (vs ground targets) where with a rail you will almost never apply your negligible splash damage.
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:51:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Lmao if you think Incubus is more survivable than Python hahaha.
I have far more than enough flight time under my belt to draw my own conclusions, but please, by all means, keep flying your Incubus. More WP and less competition for me :) Your signature is telling Particularly that "vehicle specialist" bit I feel like we're working towards the same goal, but I'm offended that you think my chosen role is inferior. My experience tells me otherwise, but it's good to hear other positions. Besides, if you actually manage to get the Incubus buffed, it will only end up benefiting me. So go right ahead, I'm rooting for you I used STRICTLY Gallente vehicles since I joined in March 2012 up until just recently
I would love nothing more than to not despise my Incubus
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.16 03:05:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:DUST Fiend wrote: I used STRICTLY Gallente vehicles since I joined in March 2012 up until just recently
I would love nothing more than to not despise my Incubus
I was strictly Caldari until just a few months ago, (before the recent hotfixes) and switched to an Incubus because I was tired of getting rammed by them all the time. Nowadays, I almost exclusively fly an Incubus in pubs and PC, and enjoy the superior anti vehicle capabilities it provides. It's the role I enjoy, and it's what I'm best at. EDIT: I also don't fit missiles on my Incubus, or rails on my Python (as if lol) I'm a purist, and believe that they both are efficient platforms for the jobs they were built for. Hey man, more power to you.
Hopefully when my PS3 comes back from the shop I'll run across you and we can lock guns for a bit and see who comes out on top ;)
o7
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.16 07:07:00 -
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When my PS3 gets back from the shop I'll run some more field tests for giggles, I still stand by my assessment for now, but ultimately it doesn't change the fragility of the Incubus. Flying ultimately boils down to one simple thing: survivability, which the Incubus sorely lacks. Really, so does the Python, at least in a world where AV has equally effective options for shields and armor.
But, untill this game gets a development team back, that simply isn't going to happen.
Still, I'll entertain the issue for science.
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