DUST Search - Announcement:Dev Blog: Introducing APEX-Series BPO Dropsuits

Lonewolf Heavy wrote:

So, I haven't gotten around to checking these out, but from seeing the prices of the BPOs I can safely assume that New Players will seriously never be able to get these. Most new players will probably quit before they have a chance to really try FW and plenty of them will not want to spend the money for Items in a game where they are just being demolished constantly.

Also from looking at module layouts, I personally would rather use a standard level suit that I could customize and restock for 5k-15k then pay $30 or waste a ton of time in FW to get a suit that looks nice, but I can't adjust to my play style, even though I have dropped probably close to $200-$300 into this game.

Thang Bausch wrote:

was excited about these until I saw how they were built.

The low slot config n the min logi makes it quite a squishy suit. i would always sacrifice a little speed for extra hp and hp regen when fitting options are limited. Fitting an armor plate and an armor repair instead of two ferroscale would give me better regen (i have the repair tool so can't depend on others to have it) and higher hp. The kin cat would offset the speed reduction when sprinting and straffing.

The min commando is even more disappointing. Running swarms and md at the same time makes you very vulnerable and reduces the flexibility of the suit. I always run my Commandos with one rifle and one situational weapon so if the situation doesn't fit, you still have your rifle to add to the team's anti-infantry capability (which is always useful regardless of the situation) and you can always defend yourself and your team regardless of the situation. I might try the dual situational to see if it works well in game.

Also was not impressed that the min commando did not run two damage mods. Commandos are about damage.

And to this, I actually run one of my Min commandos with Swarms and MD with dual damage mods and it works great Cool

and then the rest of my commandos run purely their Racial weapons (e.g. Min Commando: Combat Rifle and Mass Driver, Gal Commando: AR and Shotgun/PC, etc.). So in the end each of my commandos might have major flaws, but they all do have a rifle for encounters, and a situational weapon to provide support.

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roblox098 Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 25	Posted - 2014.11.11 14:57:00 - [61] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: [img]http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/66662/1/APEX23.jpg[/img] Today we are introducing a brand new generation of pre-fitted dropsuits to DUST 514 for Aurum or LP and ISK - APEX-Series BPO Dropsuits. Find out more about these prototype dropsuits right here, and feel free to post your feedback in this thread :) how much isk and isk Scout ck.0 and mk.0
Liara Kaiba Shadow Broker Wet Squad 4	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:01:00 - [62] - Quote roblox098 wrote: how much isk and isk You can buy them either for 58.000 AUR or for 10.000.000 ISK + 100.000 LP
BlazeXYZ G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 309	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:02:00 - [63] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Guys... You can edit these suits. Once you click out of the build you can't re-edit, but you can change anything when you create the suit... I thought the suit was an as-is thing? https://twitter.com/RandomDuck91/status/532163385136529408 There's some proof. The Blazing Intellect Machine
JONAHBENHUR WarRavens Capital Punishment. 47	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:05:00 - [64] - Quote 27 usd for a proto fit with all standard gear that cant be changed or 100000lp and 10 mill isk for each suit is too damn high 7 mins -+ Like "To be a man you must have honor, "HONOR AND A PENIS !!" -shinoske noharu
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5412	Posted - 2014.11.11 15:24:00 - [65] - Quote Cashgrab 514 Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4498	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:00:00 - [66] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Guys... You can edit these suits. Once you click out of the build you can't re-edit, but you can change anything when you create the suit... I thought the suit was an as-is thing? https://twitter.com/RandomDuck91/status/532163385136529408 There's some proof. OK, now that's a problem. Un-modifiable "proto" BPO's that are really just prefitted STD BPO's with more HP is fine, but actual proto BPO suits are obviously not. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2413	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:08:00 - [67] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: How can the Amarr logi not have a rep tool for its favorite pal, the Amarr sentinel? That's Minmatar tech.... I can see that argument for weapons but not equipment as there is no racial variants for each type of equipment. Equipment fittings need to be based on practicality. Oh I totally agree, while it does make some sense to stick with racial weaponry even then the role should also decide. I.E a sniper has to use the only type of sniper we have. But yea when it comes to modules and equipment, they should have what is best and most useful. Like I am sure most logis want a repair tool regardless of the race. I would hope that the role would override racial availability. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Refreak 44 NECRONINJAS 4	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:09:00 - [68] - Quote How long are these dropsuits going to be available? \o/
Adis Riefha Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 0	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:26:00 - [69] - Quote Liara Kaiba wrote: roblox098 wrote: how much isk and isk You can buy them either for 58.000 AUR or for 10.000.000 ISK + 100.000 LP ISK and LP are fine, but holy **** dat aurum-cost. I would have paid maybe half of that at most. (And even that is technically a huge waste of money, but I wouldn't have cared.)
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 248	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:54:00 - [70] - Quote was excited about these until I saw how they were built. The low slot config n the min logi makes it quite a squishy suit. i would always sacrifice a little speed for extra hp and hp regen when fitting options are limited. Fitting an armor plate and an armor repair instead of two ferroscale would give me better regen (i have the repair tool so can't depend on others to have it) and higher hp. The kin cat would offset the speed reduction when sprinting and straffing. The min commando is even more disappointing. Running swarms and md at the same time makes you very vulnerable and reduces the flexibility of the suit. I always run my Commandos with one rifle and one situational weapon so if the situation doesn't fit, you still have your rifle to add to the team's anti-infantry capability (which is always useful regardless of the situation) and you can always defend yourself and your team regardless of the situation. I might try the dual situational to see if it works well in game.

Henrietta Unknown Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 458	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:56:00 - [71] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: How can the Amarr logi not have a rep tool for its favorite pal, the Amarr sentinel? I'm surprised it doesn't have uplinks. Racial purity, remember? Give the Magsex some love.
Vell0cet Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2499	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:58:00 - [72] - Quote I've been thinking about this for a couple of hours now and I've got to say I'm not a fan. I don't like the idea of power creep on lossless items. Loss is an important factor in this game. It dictates tactics and adds complexity and interest to the battlefield that doesn't exist in other games where you just mindlessly charge at the enemy over and over again. Previous BPOs were ok because they were very limited in the power it afforded it's players. This is a significant jump in power for something that generates no loss. I really can't get behind that. Best PvE idea ever!
Amuf Oratok Dead Man's Game RUST415 45	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:58:00 - [73] - Quote LP cost sounds exaggerated to me. Plus, if the sheet is correct, I don't see the actual use of a locus grenade on a min scout equipped with nova knife and cr.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3462	Posted - 2014.11.11 16:58:00 - [74] - Quote So basically what this is is, "We're trying out what a Tiercided system would be, where all suits are Proto slots, and quality of the fit is determined by the modules you put on it." Standard modules are forced to simulate a "Low Level" tiericided suit as not to make the BPO nature OP in the tiered system we have now. Currently Vets have the advantage of better modules and better suits, it's a double advantage. This system is designed to remove that Suits advantage and put all of the advantage on the SP used to train the modules. It's an interesting test at the least to see how a tiericide suit performs, though I question how useful it REALLY is for Vets. For example I run a STD Commando which has 2 low slots, I fill 1 with a Complex repper, and the other with a Biotic for mobility. A proto Commando, even with 3 Standard Armor reps is basically a wash in terms of repping power, and I lose my Biotic (assuming of course that Commando is prefit with 3 reps which is unlikely). So in my case, all I'd be gaining is a high slot which is nice, but not that great of a tradeoff. I'll have to take a really close look at the fits and see if any of them will be that beneficial for a high SP character. Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 249	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:00:00 - [75] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: was excited about these until I saw how they were built. The low slot config n the min logi makes it quite a squishy suit. i would always sacrifice a little speed for extra hp and hp regen when fitting options are limited. Fitting an armor plate and an armor repair instead of two ferroscale would give me better regen (i have the repair tool so can't depend on others to have it) and higher hp. The kin cat would offset the speed reduction when sprinting and straffing. The min commando is even more disappointing. Running swarms and md at the same time makes you very vulnerable and reduces the flexibility of the suit. I always run my Commandos with one rifle and one situational weapon so if the situation doesn't fit, you still have your rifle to add to the team's anti-infantry capability (which is always useful regardless of the situation) and you can always defend yourself and your team regardless of the situation. I might try the dual situational to see if it works well in game. Also was not impressed that the min commando did not run two damage mods. Commandos are about damage.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 249	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:02:00 - [76] - Quote Amuf Oratok wrote: LP cost sounds exaggerated to me. Plus, if the sheet is correct, I don't see the actual use of a locus grenade on a min scout equipped with nova knife and cr. The amarr logi running a flux grenade when they have two shield weapons already equiped also doesn't make sense.
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 916	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:11:00 - [77] - Quote I haven't been on yet but these LOOK awesome. Prototype BPOs? Did I read corectly? Damn! So, BPOs are not gamebreaking anymore? Can you say "lol"?! Yep
Brush Master Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1323	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:16:00 - [78] - Quote I fail to see how this help new players, mostly just vets would buy it, the cost deters it. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Liara Kaiba Shadow Broker Wet Squad 7	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:20:00 - [79] - Quote Brush Master wrote: I fail to see how this help new players, mostly just vets would buy it, the cost deters it. THIS. This is so true. Here, have a cookie.
Dylan Meisinger ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 3	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:35:00 - [80] - Quote Can't wait for the rasetsu assault boo XD Im dylan & i love punk rock ,ska , skating anime and video games

Lonewolf Heavy Chaotic Company 140	Posted - 2014.11.11 17:47:00 - [81] - Quote So, I haven't gotten around to checking these out, but from seeing the prices of the BPOs I can safely assume that New Players will seriously never be able to get these. Most new players will probably quit before they have a chance to really try FW and plenty of them will not want to spend the money for Items in a game where they are just being demolished constantly. Also from looking at module layouts, I personally would rather use a standard level suit that I could customize and restock for 5k-15k then pay $30 or waste a ton of time in FW to get a suit that looks nice, but I can't adjust to my play style, even though I have dropped probably close to $200-$300 into this game. Thang Bausch wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: was excited about these until I saw how they were built. The low slot config n the min logi makes it quite a squishy suit. i would always sacrifice a little speed for extra hp and hp regen when fitting options are limited. Fitting an armor plate and an armor repair instead of two ferroscale would give me better regen (i have the repair tool so can't depend on others to have it) and higher hp. The kin cat would offset the speed reduction when sprinting and straffing. The min commando is even more disappointing. Running swarms and md at the same time makes you very vulnerable and reduces the flexibility of the suit. I always run my Commandos with one rifle and one situational weapon so if the situation doesn't fit, you still have your rifle to add to the team's anti-infantry capability (which is always useful regardless of the situation) and you can always defend yourself and your team regardless of the situation. I might try the dual situational to see if it works well in game. Also was not impressed that the min commando did not run two damage mods. Commandos are about damage. And to this, I actually run one of my Min commandos with Swarms and MD with dual damage mods and it works great and then the rest of my commandos run purely their Racial weapons (e.g. Min Commando: Combat Rifle and Mass Driver, Gal Commando: AR and Shotgun/PC, etc.). So in the end each of my commandos might have major flaws, but they all do have a rifle for encounters, and a situational weapon to provide support. Sentinel/Commando
B-F M Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 47	Posted - 2014.11.11 18:31:00 - [82] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: EDIT: Can we please just cut the cord between Dust 514 and Eve Online now? Like, holy hell the very thought of a bunch of people running around in these suits and making an impact on the state of FW in Eve Online just drives me up the wall. Lol nothing wrong with a bunch of fashion-conscious merch waging an epic war across the galaxy GöÇGòñGòªn++ Ghosts of Dawn // now recruiting. n++GòªGòñGöÇ
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17687	Posted - 2014.11.11 19:32:00 - [83] - Quote NVM CCP Rattati is answering questions. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
CeeJ Mantis Mantodea MC 87	Posted - 2014.11.11 19:51:00 - [84] - Quote As a Gallente commando user, the idea of the BPO intrigues me... except why a reactive plate? A 5% HP increase an 1 rep is not worth putting on an armor tanked suit. The armor plate is kind unnecessary, as a rep tanked commando is better at handling repeated engagements. Honestly, I'd prefer 3 basic reps, or perhaps 2 reps and a stamina mod to help with mobility. A suit that can regenerate 500 armor HP in 35 (44 with 2 reps/stamina) seconds with max skills is better than one with 621 armor hp that takes 68 seconds to regen. Rep tanking is both Gallente and commando doctrine after all. Those slots are the only reason I am not grinding out Gal FW as we speak. Longest plasma cannon kill: 236.45m
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14419	Posted - 2014.11.11 19:53:00 - [85] - Quote CCP Rattati WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY Poor ol' True Adamance crai's for the Shield Extenders on that "Opus" assault. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
Booby Tuesdays Tuesdays With Boobies 960	Posted - 2014.11.11 20:04:00 - [86] - Quote Why does the Min Logi have a pumpkin on his head? Halloween was last month! Also, color the Aur and LP + ISK versions differently. Show who payed, and who played to get them. ( . )( . )
Vicious Minotaur 1292	Posted - 2014.11.11 20:51:00 - [87] - Quote I still have no idea why these things were put in the "visual customization" category. There is no customization present. Words have meaning, you know. I am a minotaur.
Adis Riefha Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2	Posted - 2014.11.11 21:15:00 - [88] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: I still have no idea why these things were put in the "visual customization" category. There is no customization present. Words have meaning, you know. Oh wow, I think I'd never have found them there. Even if I had the money to buy them.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 194	Posted - 2014.11.11 22:17:00 - [89] - Quote I think these BPO are too poorly and badly fitted (look at the amarr assault suit, devs just can't say that they are playing the game..). ANYWAY! I think they need to be reworked, to be better and worth grinding. I know they dont want them to be overpowerd for unconsomable suits, but I have an idea to fix that: Make these suits obtainly by LP+ISK ONLY! This way, there's no more pay to win, only play to win. People who grinded to have these suits would be rewarded with a decent BPO, not a worthless shining suit fitted by a 2 days old blueberry. Take out all forms of scans and you'll see how great Dust can be. Scrubs will cry, good players will love it.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 252	Posted - 2014.11.11 22:33:00 - [90] - Quote Lonewolf Heavy wrote: So, I haven't gotten around to checking these out, but from seeing the prices of the BPOs I can safely assume that New Players will seriously never be able to get these. Most new players will probably quit before they have a chance to really try FW and plenty of them will not want to spend the money for Items in a game where they are just being demolished constantly. Also from looking at module layouts, I personally would rather use a standard level suit that I could customize and restock for 5k-15k then pay $30 or waste a ton of time in FW to get a suit that looks nice, but I can't adjust to my play style, even though I have dropped probably close to $200-$300 into this game. Thang Bausch wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: was excited about these until I saw how they were built. The low slot config n the min logi makes it quite a squishy suit. i would always sacrifice a little speed for extra hp and hp regen when fitting options are limited. Fitting an armor plate and an armor repair instead of two ferroscale would give me better regen (i have the repair tool so can't depend on others to have it) and higher hp. The kin cat would offset the speed reduction when sprinting and straffing. The min commando is even more disappointing. Running swarms and md at the same time makes you very vulnerable and reduces the flexibility of the suit. I always run my Commandos with one rifle and one situational weapon so if the situation doesn't fit, you still have your rifle to add to the team's anti-infantry capability (which is always useful regardless of the situation) and you can always defend yourself and your team regardless of the situation. I might try the dual situational to see if it works well in game. Also was not impressed that the min commando did not run two damage mods. Commandos are about damage. And to this, I actually run one of my Min commandos with Swarms and MD with dual damage mods and it works great and then the rest of my commandos run purely their Racial weapons (e.g. Min Commando: Combat Rifle and Mass Driver, Gal Commando: AR and Shotgun/PC, etc.). So in the end each of my commandos might have major flaws, but they all do have a rifle for encounters, and a situational weapon to provide support. I'll have to try the swarms/MD combo then. I can think of some matches where I had a great MD/Swarm position and the match needed both. I've been tempted to spec into the galmando. I already have the AR at prof 3 and the plasma cannon looks like a lot of fun.



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