I've observed that I have been repeatedly placed into public matches where the opposition consists primarily of prototype scouts. I've noticed that even though I see the small splash marks indicating round impact on the opposite player suits, nothing happens to the scout as long as they wiggle their clone just a little. I've been using the Breach Assault Rifle since first discovering the game at the beginning of the year and maxing the skill points on this weapon. Being in a point blank distance makes very little difference as they simply start running backwards. The speed given to these suits appears to be the same as some vehicles. The cloak ability provided adds to many lazily cloaking near spawn points and easily running to shoot players in the back. I can't understand why this would be fun for these players as it is likely not challenging in play. The only reason I continue to play is for that rare match where everyone seems to want to legitimately play the game as intended and it runs as a long evenly matched contest.

It only takes a couple of lagging scouts to ruin a match. Players head for the hills, and it's hard to get them back down.

CCP needs to sort their match making out. Create a "laggers" pool and let them try to get each other.

I've observed that I have been repeatedly placed into public matches where the opposition consists primarily of prototype scouts. I've noticed that even though I see the small splash marks indicating round impact on the opposite player suits, nothing happens to the scout as long as they wiggle their clone just a little. I've been using the Breach Assault Rifle since first discovering the game at the beginning of the year and maxing the skill points on this weapon. Being in a point blank distance makes very little difference as they simply start running backwards. The speed given to these suits appears to be the same as some vehicles. The cloak ability provided adds to many lazily cloaking near spawn points and easily running to shoot players in the back. I can't understand why this would be fun for these players as it is likely not challenging in play. The only reason I continue to play is for that rare match where everyone seems to want to legitimately play the game as intended and it runs as a long evenly matched contest.

Welcome to DUST...

Don't expect to get much sympathy from those running scouts. They are having their moment in the sun, and most of them measure their manhood by their KDR. They will never admit that the game is still massively tilted in their favor and that they are playing "easy mode".

Some things you can do that help in game.
- Try listening for them (a good surround sound system or headphones help with this). Listening for footsteps or remote explosives being dropped is your best bet, don't bother listening for the uncloaking sound as by the time you hear it the shotgun blast is already on the way (unless the scout is a noob).
- Run in squads, this will keep some of them at bay but others will just frisbee remote explosives in your midst while you are engaging opponents.
- Check your six regularly. Of course, their EWAR advantage means they know when you are doing this so once again this only works against noob scouts.
- Play more ambush as opposed to the objective based game modes. Objectives are a scout's paradise. They hide somewhere near an objective and wait to see you on their radar. Once they know you are either hacking or facing in the opposite direction... You know how this ends.
- Try to engage them at distance. Up close, their straffing makes them nearly un-hitable.

Some things you can do to help with not being too discouraged.
- Ignore posts that say cloaked scouts are easy to see, these people are trolling.
- Have faith that the numbers being crunched BY CCP Rattati will reveal the truth and he will continue to try and balance scouts.

Basically the above will help you kill some scouts, and deal with the frustration of the current meta. That said, if all else fails, you can purchase a re-spec to become a scout and partake in "easy mode" DUST. Once everyone does this, CCP can officially rename the game "SCOUT 514".

cloak should drop when hit

Run active scanners

Horrible hit detection aren't exclusive to scouts.

Also, the weapons with the worst detection are the rail (Caldari) ones and the shotgun (Gallente).

+1 as long as we can hop into the laggers matches and troll them from time to time.


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Hit detection issues may not be limited to scouts. Scouts get the biggest advantage thanks to their hitbox size and their movement speed. This may not be their fault but there are certainly tons of people running scouts just to take advantage of this.

Basically the above will help you kill some scouts, and deal with the frustration of the current meta. That said, if all else fails, you can purchase a re-spec to become a scout and partake in "easy mode" DUST. Once everyone does this, CCP can officially rename the game "SCOUT 514".

Horrible hit detection aren't exclusive to scouts.

Also, the weapons with the worst detection are the rail (Caldari) ones and the shotgun (Gallente).

If I were a strategic businessman with little ethics, I would wait until a ton of frustrated persons pay this new $20 "Re-Spec" fee to become a scout and then make them really suck; forcing everyone to pay another fee for the next flavor of the month. My only question is, where is the "enough people switched to scout" limit before the mass nerf.

actually they improved hit detection and yet scouts are still pulling a neo.. scouts need a strafe speed nerf, as scouts shoudl only go fast in stright lines or curves not side to side

cloak should drop when hit

Also the cloak being deactivated after being hit is a terrible idea because (Correct me if I'm wrong)
1) Any blueberry could be firing bullets in a random direction and should a scout be hit, the scout will have to rush the blueberry and then hope no one heard the shotgun blast.
2) Lore (Correct me if I'm wrong)

1) Well, anyone who is in a stream of bullets should be plenty visible. And this actually follows into...

2) you are wrong. Cloaking, in EVE, is deactivated if anyone comes within a certain radius of you (2km I believe) - scaled down to DUST this'd probably be about 20m. More reasonably, deactivation upon the reception of damage makes plenty of sense: stealth is gone when bullets are flying, you should either fight or disengage to re cloak.

cloak should drop when hit

2) 20m would be a bit too much should it have to recharge, perhaps 10m w/ recharge or 15 with it being instantly reactivatable?

3) Deactivation upon receiving damage would make for a problem, as fall damage, friendly fire, and getting hurt by your own locus/flux are all damage, but having your cloak go down because of these are just senseless (Other than the explosive, you deserve it if you manage to hit yourself with it)

4) Again on the 20m subject, I use my cloak mainly for what I like to call 'recon' as I sit still while cloaked and give my squad orders. several times I have been within inches of an enemy (Ak.0 commandos mostly, sometimes a logi) that I ignore as long as I possibly can or normally give an order to attack the enemy, yes my cloak runs out sometimes right after they pass and sometimes when they are passing, but compared to the 20m idea, they would notice me the second they are within 20m, which would mean death to me and probably a lot of cloak users.

Well, I'd presume that it would be coded such that the source of damage is taken into account. Friendly fire and self-inflicted damage should both definitely cause decloak.

Run active scanners

Daily reminder that scanning does not counter scouts because any scout suit with a proper fit can evade any scan in the game.

Duvolle focused scanner?

... yet people can still OHK people while using it with a cloak.

actually they improved hit detection and yet scouts are still pulling a neo.. scouts need a strafe speed nerf, as scouts shoudl only go fast in stright lines or curves not side to side