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One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5615	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:32:00 - [1] - Quote Team balancing is broken. Before Mu, there were some big blowouts, but there were more good games. Now, I NEVER see a good game. Not ever. Every game is a blowout. Every single one. No matter what I do, I am always against a well coordinated team spamming uplinks in high places with a team that never helps out. Every now and then, they are on my team, and we win easily. I can't even have fun when I do well, because I know no matter what I do, no matter how well I do, my team is going to lose. It was like that from the start of the game, and the rest is going through the motions. My monthly win loss ratio is 0.13. How the thunderbolt is that balanced? All time I am 1.17. That is WAAAAAY to much a discrepancy for it to be anything other than the current system. Something needs changed, or I can't play this game. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18757	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:34:00 - [2] - Quote I console myself by believing that I really am worth putting on a team of NPC corp blueberries against two full squads in the name of balance. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
Foley Jones Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 713	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:36:00 - [3] - Quote Don't worry I like you OP C: EVE online trial
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5615	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:37:00 - [4] - Quote Foley Jones wrote: Don't worry I like you OP C: Thank you. That didn't cheer me up, but it did make me marginally less angry. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1635	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:42:00 - [5] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Team balancing is broken. Before Mu, there were some big blowouts, but there were more good games. Now, I NEVER see a good game. Not ever. Every game is a blowout. Every single one. No matter what I do, I am always against a well coordinated team spamming uplinks in high places with a team that never helps out. Every now and then, they are on my team, and we win easily. I can't even have fun when I do well, because I know no matter what I do, no matter how well I do, my team is going to lose. It was like that from the start of the game, and the rest is going through the motions. My monthly win loss ratio is 0.13. How the thunderbolt is that balanced? All time I am 1.17. That is WAAAAAY to much a discrepancy for it to be anything other than the current system. Something needs changed, or I can't play this game. it seems to be like 50% stomp 25% good game 25% MEH with new Mu. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 3047	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:42:00 - [6] - Quote MU works for random vs random in my personal experience. 4 November 2014 - the most funny day in Dust514
Phantasmal Priestess 26	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:43:00 - [7] - Quote My win/lose ration has significantly increased since the new MU. I always get put on the team with PC vets I recognize, and I win at least 90% of the time. P.S. I AFK farm most my matches Don't even bother commenting on balance or functions of the game if you can't even go 1:1 KDR against me.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5625	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:44:00 - [8] - Quote shaman oga wrote: MU works for random vs random in my personal experience. That is the problem. Its never random vs random. I miss the days when a bunch of randoms could suddenly rise up and overtake their proto stomping overlords. Those days are gone. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1635	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:44:00 - [9] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I console myself by believing that I really am worth putting on a team of NPC corp blueberries against two full squads in the name of balance. isnt that called Denial or Delusional? :P but yeah as a logi i seem to get stuck with the random blueberrys vs proto/squad stompers alot too [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 745	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:47:00 - [10] - Quote As a nod to thunderbolt, "haters gonna hate." Keep it real, my brutha. To your point, its only been 5-6 days in for the month. Don't know how many games you have played but the sample size is still fairly small. I'm guessing you are just in a rough patch, and by the end of the month you will be closer to a 1:1 ratio. If not, then I say "Thunderbolt this game." "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5625	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:47:00 - [11] - Quote Phantasmal Priestess wrote: My win/lose ration has significantly increased since the new MU. I always get put on the team with PC vets I recognize, and I win at least 90% of the time. P.S. I AFK farm most my matches Sweet. You probably get more ISK per sacrifice for your efforts too. Working as intended. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Cheydinhal Guard Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 245	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:51:00 - [12] - Quote I'm constantly put into matches that end up being one-sided stomps. It's come to the point where I can accurately guess if I'm going to win or lose before the real battle even begins. Be the mercenary of tomorrow, today. Go beyond with Aurum!
Ablerober Pretty Violence 172	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:51:00 - [13] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Team balancing is broken. Before Mu, there were some big blowouts, but there were more good games. Now, I NEVER see a good game. Not ever. Every game is a blowout. Every single one. No matter what I do, I am always against a well coordinated team spamming uplinks in high places with a team that never helps out. Every now and then, they are on my team, and we win easily. I can't even have fun when I do well, because I know no matter what I do, no matter how well I do, my team is going to lose. It was like that from the start of the game, and the rest is going through the motions. My monthly win loss ratio is 0.13. How the thunderbolt is that balanced? All time I am 1.17. That is WAAAAAY to much a discrepancy for it to be anything other than the current system. Something needs changed, or I can't play this game. Something has changed...maybe the Mu system was overwritten by the deployment of 1.9 which also nulled the balance changes in the last hotfix. But I also feel that a lot more of the betters players have come back therefore adjusting the Mu after each battle is taking longer. I'm still having fun, just about.
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1338	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:52:00 - [14] - Quote I've noticed this too, though really, it's just since 1.9 dropped for the most part. Feels like almost every single game is a one sided stomp, and I'm noticing a lot more scouts and sentinels running around lately. My KD/R dropped .02 in a day or two of playing and I'm at my lowest in months. Just can't fight all these squads when all I've got on my team are clueless blueberries. I want to punch.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 466	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:52:00 - [15] - Quote idk what to tell you dude, maybe your toons got a glitch. edit ok weird maybe it's me then, because barring the odd total stomp games generally seem to be better. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5626	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:52:00 - [16] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: As a nod to thunderbolt, "haters gonna hate." Keep it real, my brutha. To your point, its only been 5-6 days in for the month. Don't know how many games you have played but the sample size is still fairly small. I'm guessing you are just in a rough patch, and by the end of the month you will be closer to a 1:1 ratio. If not, then I say "Thunderbolt this game." My assumption is that it was a rolling tally that takes into account everything the month previous. I don't win enough games to get it back to a 1:1 ratio. I would have to go on a hell of a streak, and considering Mu is calculated by our entire career, these losses aren't enough to bring things back to normal anytime soon. Thunderbolting balancing. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
hfderrtgvcd 1077	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:52:00 - [17] - Quote Thats strange. Most of my matches have been very close. Perhaps try squadding up or playing a different game mode? You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5626	Posted - 2014.11.06 22:55:00 - [18] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Thats strange. Most of my matches have been very close. Perhaps try squadding up or playing a different game mode? Sometimes I can't squad, like when I am doing laundry and need to play at my own speed, or before work when I only play a game or two. With so many unsquadded people playing, or people joining random squads, something needs fixing. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1338	Posted - 2014.11.06 23:04:00 - [19] - Quote Gosh darn it, King! I was at 1337 likes! Why'd you have to go and ruin it? I want to punch.
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 139	Posted - 2014.11.06 23:08:00 - [20] - Quote Need a higher level mode but would "elite" players use it? These guys Def need something besides pc

Seigfried Warheit 372	Posted - 2014.11.06 23:12:00 - [21] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I can't even have fun when I do well, because I know no matter what I do, no matter how well I do, my team is going to lose. It was like that from the start of the game, and the rest is going through the motions. This is only a issue for solo players.(which I am mostly) I just want to tk my team all match long cause I know it would be more productive than actually trying to advance in the match . I tend leave matches when I recognize squads that are usually together cause I know its just gonna be a fk fest and a waste of time and isk.....or you know when you lose all the points and your team hasn't even reached one. Ill only stay through fk fests if I am in a squad...but usually when squaded the matches are more balanced. I am a prof. V scrub. I have no honor The best strategy is not to wear pants My Skills = a fresh blueberry
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5816	Posted - 2014.11.06 23:15:00 - [22] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Team balancing is broken. Before Mu, there were some big blowouts, but there were more good games. Now, I NEVER see a good game. Not ever. Every game is a blowout. Every single one. No matter what I do, I am always against a well coordinated team spamming uplinks in high places with a team that never helps out. Every now and then, they are on my team, and we win easily. I can't even have fun when I do well, because I know no matter what I do, no matter how well I do, my team is going to lose. It was like that from the start of the game, and the rest is going through the motions. My monthly win loss ratio is 0.13. How the thunderbolt is that balanced? All time I am 1.17. That is WAAAAAY to much a discrepancy for it to be anything other than the current system. Something needs changed, or I can't play this game. +1 Not to mention that now maps (liek the new ones), instead of FIXING Roof+Uplink spamming of Dropships, now heavily encourage it. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5633	Posted - 2014.11.06 23:35:00 - [23] - Quote Last match: My team has about 40 clones left. The opposing, well over 100. The MCC blew up while theirs still had plenty of shields. The matches have grown increasingly infuriating. I think its time to call it a night, maybe a week, or a month. I haven't been so frustrated since before 1.6. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 623	Posted - 2014.11.07 00:16:00 - [24] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Team balancing is broken. Before Mu, there were some big blowouts, but there were more good games. Now, I NEVER see a good game. Not ever. Every game is a blowout. Every single one. No matter what I do, I am always against a well coordinated team spamming uplinks in high places with a team that never helps out. Every now and then, they are on my team, and we win easily. I can't even have fun when I do well, because I know no matter what I do, no matter how well I do, my team is going to lose. It was like that from the start of the game, and the rest is going through the motions. My monthly win loss ratio is 0.13. How the thunderbolt is that balanced? All time I am 1.17. That is WAAAAAY to much a discrepancy for it to be anything other than the current system. Something needs changed, or I can't play this game. Team balance is working. It's the matchmaking that's broken. Also, the squad syncing is still happening. The fact that pre-made squads are wtill allowed to compete with cqsual lone wolfers is bad enough. Boycott Black Thursday!
Jathniel G I A N T 1237	Posted - 2014.11.07 00:25:00 - [25] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I console myself by believing that I really am worth putting on a team of NPC corp blueberries against two full squads in the name of balance. I lol'd. I tried posting this to Rattati in this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2442711#post2442711 When I'm running solo, and get thrown into a match like that. I often leave, because I refuse to use my resources to carry a bunch of nublets. Why? Not because it's not fun to fight for them, but because it's not worth it. MU expects you to carry a team (sometimes single-handedly), but then you get no ISK payout for your effort. I know the Dust team and CPM are working on the ISK payout thing right now, but really... I often just look at a roster now, and I just go.... "Uh, no." As the merc says in the Dust trailer, "Pay my price, and I'll strike down the Heavens." But MU expects you to strike down the heavens for Free. Fk that shlt. Pay me. lol Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Booby Tuesdays Tuesdays With Boobies 939	Posted - 2014.11.07 00:41:00 - [26] - Quote What I have noticed is that players with high MU, and choose to run solo, are being placed into matches against stomp squads. Once the players with high MU realized this, they started staying in squads more often, because it is much safer to do so. MU is great, but it penalizes great solo players. Double edged sword. I love playing games solo, but Dust is a team based game. Anyone that says otherwise is a fool. ( . )( . )
sir RAVEN WING Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 123	Posted - 2014.11.07 02:08:00 - [27] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Gosh darn it, King! I was at 1337 likes! Why'd you have to go and ruin it? ~Like~ ~Unlike~ ~Like~ Oh darn it! disconnected again! "That's what I like to see, 0 kills and still #1!" MPT Vet. 514 lottery tickets half off!
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 914	Posted - 2014.11.07 03:12:00 - [28] - Quote Indeed the matching system has been screwing me over quite nicely. I quit Dust a couple days before Destiny came out and just returned 2 days ago to see if 1.9 was any good. In that time I have won one match... -ONE- match. I've only had maybe two matches where it could be considered a close match, but the rest have seemingly been me with a rubber mallet of a team vs a brick wall. With the exception of the first two matches I've been top three in all of them, (logis are usually what beats me in points otherwise) but no matter how hard I press and regardless of what tier equipment I use, I cannot win matches where literally half of my team doesn't get a single kill and the other half struggles to get more that 5. That is not an exaggeration. I counted several matches where no less than 7 people would have 0 kills at the end of the match and there would be maybe one other guy with 10 kills and still negative as the next best player on the team. And inb4 "Squad up scrub" I really can't squad up with people anymore. Most everyone that I squaded up with are either playing Destiny or just plain quit Dust. Half of my chat rooms are ghost towns since I've returned. Where there used to be 20+ people in almost all of my chats, there's just me and like 2-3 other people. While 1.9 does seem to have improved the gameplay, (I love the new maps and the frames are way better than before) I really don't feel the desire to continue where I can only win one game every couple of days. It's not good for the psyche. O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1268	Posted - 2014.11.07 03:22:00 - [29] - Quote I don't know if I've just hit a rough spit but I feel the same way as the OP. I had gotten to where I could at least keep my head above water with my kdr and my w/l ratio was always around 1, now, both seem headed south and games are just harder. I may have a high MU despite being a bad slayer because I make quite a bit of WP. I average about 325 per death. I may be matched against guys that have a 6 kdr. My poor team, they are getting screwed. Because, that's why.
Kayla Michael Tactical Logistics and Cargo Northern Associates. 7	Posted - 2014.11.07 03:51:00 - [30] - Quote I share the pain, really, just about every time I deploy to do a battle rather it is skirmish, -I don't bother with ambush- or Domination my team is pushed back all the way to the red line. And they're sniping, or sometimes when I enter in a match the MCC randomly explodes before I can back out of the match just for others to get stuck in my place. I love DUST a lot, and been on for two years, hopefully there will be a solution to this. But that's my hopeful thinking as for the rest of life. lol...



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